Death Highlights Problems with Drugs and Group Sex at Occupy Vancouver

Originally posted by AtticusRye

Those of us opposed to corporate corruption and greed should feel empowered to reject the decision of this group to claim they represent us and not feel pressured into choosing between OWS or Wall Street.

Not necessarily...the OWS is without direction or coherent message...just a theme overall of how things are rough and skewed for more wealth disparity.

I think the intellectuals that support the theme are the ones that need to get moving now and draw up a coherent message for the movement. personally I think the focus needs to be on tariffs, trade laws, and other things that truely hammer a corporation that removes jobs from here to place in slave labor countrys...this will offset the inequality tremendously..so, I support the theme of the OWS movement, the message? well, there is no real message (or there's hundreds)..but the theme is consistent and right...theme being, the economic model sucks, fix it so the middle class expands.

And for this, we must..must address the actual issues...and its not tax policys, its not social security, or unions, or anything...its horrible trade agreements and corporations that own politicians and make cyphoning money out of the west their full time career

A cheerleader for a football game doesn't need to know the plays, they just want the game to be won...we need coaches to guide the players. the ows are a bunch of players and cheerleaders with no coach...so, time to step up. movement within a movement (it will happen anyhow...rather it be intelligent people verses plotting organizations)

reply to post by SaturnFX


Corporatist we do not want apart of this movement as it goes against everything the movement stands for.

reply to post by SaturnFX


No message or demands huh? Then what on Earth is this then?

The Declaration Of The General Assembly of #OccupyWallStreet occupying Zuccotti Park in NYC catacorner to 5 World Trade Center!

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

Adopted, voted on and passed September 29, 2011!

The 80 or 90 people who are "occupying" Vancouver [for the record, the Vancouver Police Department has 1100 officers and the metro population is 3 million+ so I'm not sure by what logic Vancouver can be called "occupied] has just released their "DEMANDS." Remember, 99% of everyone in Canada is in united support of the following items (like when Idi Amin won the '72 Ugandan election with 99% of the vote) - highlights;

WE DEMAND massage be covered under the health care system.

WE DEMAND the repeal of the Controlled Drugs Act.

WE DEMAND that prostitution be legalized.

WE DEMAND an independent investigation into 9/11 which will examine all evidence including that which would support a false-flag explanation.

Somewhere in there I think I read something about Wall Street regulatory reform in the financial services sector, too. Down at the bottom in the fine print.

Anyway, I actually agree with a few of those things but was surprised to learn that 99% of the nation does. I thought there was a bit more diversity of thought in Canada. Oh well.

www.ctvbc.ctv.ca...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Corporatist we do not want apart of this movement as it goes against everything the movement stands for.

So OWS ISN'T for the entire 99%???

Because I'm sure some of the 99% are in fact Corporatists.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

No message or demands huh? Then what on Earth is this then?

The Declaration Of The General Assembly of #OccupyWallStreet occupying Zuccotti Park in NYC catacorner to 5 World Trade Center!

No coherent message
This declaration of the general assembly of twitter nyc district etc etc etc is not the overall message of this global effort...just a small organization

There are bits of order in the chaos of course...reminds me of a book I read where someone went into a dimension of chaos where the entire dimension was literally nothing but chaos.
in this realm, there were parts that had brief manifestations of perfect symmetry and order...which actually just demonstrated more the chaotic nature of it as it collapsed from new symmetry growing next to it that collided with it and destroyed it all again into more chaos

Now, as the movement matures, certain messages will become more pronounced and adopted by more segments...it will align with the theme well enough, and the movement will take on a more pointed form..but its not there yet...arguably not even close. it must be a global message (or at least a western message)..not a park in nyc, or some twitter hashtag..but a consensus of all major groups for moving ahead before it gets there.

So...ya...coaches needed..the theme is established, the messages are jumbled and a shotgun blast of focus (not very).

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


We are for the 99% but the coporatist group is usually those who are the corporations and you rarely ever see them in the general public.

Originally posted by AtticusRye
Remember, 99% of everyone in Canada is in united support of the following items

No, these demands are from the Vancouver Occupy. Also noted in the sources title as "not official."

(like when Idi Amin won the '72 Ugandan election with 99% of the vote) -

Equating Canada with Amin's reign is insulting and inaccurate.

highlights;

WE DEMAND massage be covered under the health care system.

WE DEMAND the repeal of the Controlled Drugs Act.

WE DEMAND that prostitution be legalized.

WE DEMAND an independent investigation into 9/11 which will examine all evidence including that which would support a false-flag explanation.

Funny you mention those out of over 50 points.

Somewhere in there I think I read something about Wall Street regulatory reform in the financial services sector, too. Down at the bottom in the fine print.

Actually those were the first ones. Did you read your own source?

reply to post by SaturnFX


This is the global list of demands and wishes. To deny this is flat out and dead wrong.

The Declaration is to be seen and respected as the official list of demands and stances yet I provide proof listing demands and wishes yet you ignore it.

To simply ignore or to attempt to discredit means you are working against your own interests and will continue to vote against your own interests time and time again!

This list makes it crystal clear what we seek.

Originally posted by intrepid

(like when Idi Amin won the '72 Ugandan election with 99% of the vote) -

Equating Canada with Amin's reign is insulting and inaccurate.

Uh oh ... 99% of Canada, er, I mean Vancouver - is now upset with me.

On the plus side, I'm a vegetarian and don't eat at McDonald's so shouldn't have to worry too much about the 99% tampering with my food.

Yea things may start turning ugly here real fast with the death.

reply to post by AtticusRye


I'm sure that 99% of Canadian couldn't care less for malicious tripe but you keep setting the false turds up and I'll keep shooting them down.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

This is the global list of demands and wishes. To deny this is flat out and dead wrong.

The Declaration is to be seen and respected as the official list of demands and stances yet I provide proof listing demands and wishes yet you ignore it.

To simply ignore or to attempt to discredit means you are working against your own interests and will continue to vote against your own interests time and time again!

This list makes it crystal clear what we seek.

David McRaney has a great new book I just finished reading call "You Are Not So Smart." In it he contends every group of people believes an alternate ideological group is susceptible to disinformation and manipulation and only the originating group is privy to an unfiltered, accurate worldview.

No one is ignoring or discrediting "Occupy", we're just laughing at it.

OWS is such a blatantly used and abused movement it's hard to do anything but laugh at it. The vast majority are all the same people who voted for Obama in 2008 (who received $1 million in donations from Chase and continues to take hundreds of thousands from them) and who - once the street theatrics have ended - will dutifully march off in one year to do the same.

We're not ignoring anything, we're just exhibiting the only reaction possible: laughter.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

We are for the 99% but the coporatist group is usually those who are the corporations and you rarely ever see them in the general public.

edit on 6-11-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

What???

You don't think there are people in the general public that support Corporatism???


It's nice how you can just make these claims without any evidence at all. I would say that a portion of the Tea Party is for corporatism.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


No one in the movement supports corporatism as it has caused a whole mess of problems!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Corporatist we do not want apart of this movement as it goes against everything the movement stands for.

I know...of course that post you responded to was toungue in cheek sarcasm on my behalf.

I am very pro-company. Most companys do not outsource at all. Once they reach corporate level, its difficult to find a corporation that doesn't. Outsourcing by corporations murder the economy. I am not saying a global corporation should never use chinese workers or whatnot, but rather, anything made in china, or india, should be sold in india or china respectively...its when they dev all the stuff over there and bring it over here is when everything goes horribly wrong for the working class.

This is manufacturing...personally, I want to see the west as a whole (and especially America...mostly because that is where I am sitting at the moment) get past manufacturing and start moving almost exclusively into high tech fields, specialist fields, etc...however, our educational standards suck and therefore Europe will more than likely become the defacto tech folks of the west (and we will continue to make movies or whatever we do). No big problem there. I quite like europe and see them and us as aiming for the same thing overall (the west itself is fairly united in its desire for living standards)

So ya, pro companys in a big way. -they- are the job creators and ones dealing with the employment standards. Corporations are the ones that own politicians, destroy countrys, and keep all enslaved. They fight against people in developing lands to make sure there is no employment standards so they can keep their bloated profit margins stable and bloated and don't mind what sort of disaster they create, so long as they are getting billions in profit off the soul of the earth.

But...our current political climate will forbid anything changing...even if it literally was 99% of the people standing out and demonstrating, a politician would rather cut their arm off than pass a bill with actual teeth against corporations..might as well also ask them to punch their mother while they are at it. No chance in hell.

So..whats the solution?

I don't know.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

To simply ignore or to attempt to discredit means you are working against your own interests and will continue to vote against your own interests time and time again!

You're a bunch of rebels working to overturn the system to bring us blind serfs a better tomorrow, hon - go get 'em!

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I would say that a portion of the Tea Party is for corporatism.

Fixed that sentence for ya.

reply to post by AtticusRye


While you are sitting at home politicking from a computer screen people like me are out there informing the people what is good.

You really think that this is a game? A joke? You seriously need to take a step back, turn off tv news for a month, go outside, chat with your neighours and you'll see how much in common you have with them then anything else. Are you afraid to (God forbid) learn something? What do you fear? Attack, hostile action?

What we do is not a laughing matter and quite frankly do not see families or people having to suffer and made life detrimental choices on a daily basis as funny or something to be laughed at.We are not laughing at anyone. If you were down on your luck would you want someone laughing at your misfortune? No right? What makes it ok to do it to someone else? Grow up because you have no experience in how the real world works!

You are heartless and a tool who cares not about anyone but themselves!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

TROLL IDENTIFIED, TROLL IDENTIFIED!

Immaculate - I've been to two Occupy events to check them out first-hand: San Diego and Vancouver. Both were nothing like they were presented in the news. The news presented highly sanitized throngs that made them look like mainstream gatherings. What I saw was a small (in both cases less than 100) group of chronic homeless, drug users, hookers and the fringes and margins of society. What I saw was the Bottom 1%.

As someone with a critical mind I then asked myself, "why would the corporate media make this out to be something it's clearly not?" I also asked "why is a man (Obama) whose top 5 campaign donors include Goldman Sachs and Citi-Chase endorse Occupy?"

I understand these are not questions you've asked. Perhaps you should?