Leading Muslim Terrorist gives this warning. Sept 1st 04

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My point is that mixed cultures do not get on. They never have.Don`t people learn from History lessons.

This is quite simply untrue. History demonstrates that people can infact live and work together. When the muslim world was more advanced than it is now, jews, muslims, christians, zorasterians and other religions lived peacefully with one another. The same went for europe at certain times in its history, and much of the rest of the world. For a long time now tho things have been difficult, but the long span of history teaches us that diffferent cultures can infact interact, cohabitate, and interbreed quite easily and succesfully.



Really.Please give me some examples in History that shows a differant culture that moved into a country peacefully in large numbers in the way Muslims have in Britain and the states without any problems,wars etc etc etc.

Originally posted by nukunuku

You have to understand these people live by the idea that others shouldnt walk their land. Somehow i think this might be connected to the crusades dont you? And whats happening? You have EVERYBODY just feeding on their countrys resources like some leeches. I mean put yourself in their skin for once you heartless hipocryts

You know you sound like a complete idiot don't you? Firstly you blame the crusades for all of this??? Yes i admit it was a horrible time and i don't condone it. To blame the crusades for their behaviour, to use that as an excuse to committ horrible acts of murder you're seriously dreaming, no matter what happened in the past you cannot justify acts of terrorism/brutality because of something that happened hundreds of years ago!

It has no relevance to today's society, not to mention we cannot be held accountable for those acts because we didn't committ them and we weren't there!

It would be like if Welsh nationalists blaming England and all English people for atrocities committed under Edward 'Longshanks' the Ist during the 13th century and then committing acts of terrorism using that very poor excuse. You cannot justify things like that and in the end it'll make things worse.

You have to understand these people live by the idea that others shouldnt walk their land

So if that's the case then should we kick out all Muslims from Western countries? Since they're not the indigenous population of the West.

You have EVERYBODY just feeding on their countrys resources like some leeches. I mean put yourself in their skin for once you heartless hipocryts

If i put myself in their 'skin' so to speak then they would do EXACTLY the same thing if the situation was reversed. Perhaps you haven't heard of 'Food for Oil program'? We don't steal oil from them they actually get money from it.

If you want to go by that logic then does it make them 'leeches' if they use technology that was invented in the West? Or that people from those countries go to the Western universities to get a better education?

I am completely astonished at how ignorant and skewed your view is of everything.

Next time you post try not to be so close minded.

Originally posted by Thinker
99% of people who support islam as peaceful and are not muslims, make fast basisless views on religion in general, they also have never read the koran. I bet you bush has never read it to. If he opened the book, he would see it's not osama thats causing this, it's this book that breeds terrorism.

Thinker,

Do you know any muslims? personally I mean? any Muslim work colleagues or aquaitancies? Any muslim relatives? Do you deal with muslims on a day to day basis, or live in a muslim area?

All the above apply to me. I'm just wondering what you're basing YOUR judgment on?

European immigrants came here and learned English. Anyone from the REAL MELTING POT of the world - NYC - can attest to that. Italians, Germans, Welsh, Scandanavians, people from Spain - all learned English.
They did NOT demand we send billions of tax payers dollars to their "homeland" like scores of Americans Jews do. Nor did they whine
incessantly about being "picked on" like tons of muslim Americans.

The Irish lived like dogs when they came to New York City. The Italians did, too. Cold water flats, rats, roaches - they battled them all.

This country has paid a huge price for losing it's european immigrants
to middle easterners and spanish speaking people who are too lazy to learn English. We've become a nation of whiners.

Modern immigrants have no clue as to what true suffering is about.
Millions crossed the Atlantic alone to reach Ellis Island without a handout
one. Those immigrants were *tough*.

I've personally seen a woman in a burkah in Staten Island. No joke.
Granted, not all middle easterners are that extreme - but how is it
that an arab is allowed to wear a damn burkah in the Land Of The Free Home Of The Brave? Why should I - or any tax paying American female - be forced to see such a twisted thing?

You all can keep the Middle East. From a female's perspective Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Vienna and Berlin are a helluva lot more appealing culturally.

[edit on 3-9-2004 by bushblows]

Originally posted by Thinker

Originally posted by k33l

Originally posted by Thinker
Political correct people who say islam is peaceful, just indanger the lives of it's citiziens.

useless islam-phobic comment here. There's integralism, and that's one thing, and then there's islam and all the other religions, and those are other things.

So your saying that these terrorists are not insirped by the words of koran, but just self decission and islam doesn't support terrorism, kidnappings?

Precisely. Have you ever even read the koran? Deny ignorance.

Nygdan how funny you are:

Well I hope they do wipe out bigoted morons like you and your seed, they'd be doing us all a favour. You're actually suggesting genocide at home and abroad, killing people who are entirely innocent in this affair because of the actions of some.


I never said genocide, I said that they are starting a war with not only the US goverment but with the very people that make this nation strong and if they choose to do this on the basis of religion then they will make themselves a target by every right wing crazy that is bent on revenge. Who will go after anything that even looks close to have anything to do with Islam. Look at what just happened in Nepal to the mosques or A Mosque over 12 people murdered by the terrorists. They already killed 3,000 of us Americans and so we made them pay, PAY BIG. And if there home countries want to condone their actions, then they will pay too, and their citizens will pay, until THEY realize it is THEM that have the power to stop this nonsense. IF they take responsibility for THEIR citizens IF THEY TEACH their citizens to LOVE instead of HATE and to KILL then they would not face the destruction and wrath. WE DID NOT START THIS CONFLICT, THEY DID but we will FINISH IT. For everyone 1 American they kill we will kill 10 of theirs. WE WILL WIN even if we lose 10,000 Americans we will win.

Originally posted by Eddie999
Let me guess, you're American aren't you? Only an American thinks that nuking everything solves anything. If we really wanted peace maybe we should just nuke you! Fascist.

I'm an American, and I don't think nuking solves anything, as for you nuking us though, that's funny, we can turn every landmass on earth into glass, and you would make such an ignorant statement? You would definetly get peace (R.I.P).

Originally posted by weirdo
Thanks like they say its all in a name

then i guess they will have to say its all in a nick-name

Originally posted by bushblows
...how is it that an arab is allowed to wear a damn burkah in the Land Of The Free..

Kinda hard to know what to say to this...



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Eddie999

Let me guess your not an American and live in some God forsaken hole and blame America for all your problems.

Group hugs wont solve all your problems and sometimes you have to stand up and fight for what you believe to be right. That is why America is the most powerful nation on Gods green earth.

Dont accuse Americans for not wanting to live with people of other races, color or religous background. We are the most diverse nation in the world and welcome people from any nation, but it you come with ill intent or to bid our way of life harm you will pay the ultimate price!!

If not for the "Americans" all of the UK would be doing the "Goose Step" on sunday mornings under the flag of the third reich. Then again maybe that is why you are so bitter towards America.










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[edit on 3-9-2004 by sniper068]

Originally posted by weirdo
Please give me some examples in History that shows a differant culture that moved into a country peacefully in large numbers in the way Muslims have in Britain and the states without any problems,wars etc etc etc.

After the islamic kingdoms expanded they got along well enough with the jews and christians and other religions in their territories. Amoung the greeks and romans foreginers lived in their cities and countryside without rampant xenophobia. America itself is made up of many different cultures that aren't inherently unable to get along. You have been saying that different cultures can't cohabitate, are you really that ignorant of history that you can't think of any such examples?

bushblows:
how is it
that an arab is allowed to wear a damn burkah in the Land Of The Free Home Of The Brave?

Uhm......

robertfenix:
I never said genocide [...] take every opporotunity to harass, attack, track down, burn, torture every SINGLE DAMN "Islamic" person they can find.

Yes you did

The rest of your garabage was, well, garbage. For every american killed we should kill 10 random muslims eh? Thats sick, repugnant, utterly immoral, and disgusting. Yes, we have a right, a responsibility to be at war with our enemies, but killing innocent people merely because they are muslim? Even the muslims who really think that we are decadent worthless slobs, but haven't taken up arms against us, shouldn't be killed. And you actually are stupid enough to say that you weren't advocating genocide? You want to exterminate all muslims, that would be genocide dumbass.

LINK TO MUSLIM HISTORY CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER


Nygdon

Some examples were requested.You no dates,locations that kinda thing.I don`t call your interpretation of history as a factual based example.Both the Greeks and the Jews have been in conflict and oppression with Muslims for decades. And come on the Roman Empire.
I never stated there was rampant xenaphobia.I stated that cultures never mix.They don`t so before you judge my comments and base them on your inability to misread and comprehendmake judgement from knowledge please flame me down with facts and keep the disscussion civil

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[edit on 4-9-2004 by weirdo]

weirdo

If you say that cultures do not mix you should see what happened with Portugal. Since the conquest of what was Moor land and after became what is now Portugal, Christians, Muslims and Jews lived here without problems, at least until the Inquisition.
After the XV century, when the Portuguese started the "discovery" of most of all Africa's coast and the way to reach India and all the Far East, we did not had problems with those different cultures, not when Portuguese people went to those countries or when people from those countries came to Portugal.

Even today, Portugal has lots of Jews, Muslims, Chinese, African, and with the changing of the situation in Eastern Europe, we now have also lots of Russians, Romanians, Ukrainians, etc., and we do not have nothing more than localised problems.

Originally posted by Flyboy211

Originally posted by nukunuku

You have to understand these people live by the idea that others shouldnt walk their land. Somehow i think this might be connected to the crusades dont you? And whats happening? You have EVERYBODY just feeding on their countrys resources like some leeches. I mean put yourself in their skin for once you heartless hipocryts

You know you sound like a complete idiot don't you? Firstly you blame the crusades for all of this??? Yes i admit it was a horrible time and i don't condone it. To blame the crusades for their behaviour, to use that as an excuse to committ horrible acts of murder you're seriously dreaming, no matter what happened in the past you cannot justify acts of terrorism/brutality because of something that happened hundreds of years ago!

It has no relevance to today's society, not to mention we cannot be held accountable for those acts because we didn't committ them and we weren't there!

It would be like if Welsh nationalists blaming England and all English people for atrocities committed under Edward 'Longshanks' the Ist during the 13th century and then committing acts of terrorism using that very poor excuse. You cannot justify things like that and in the end it'll make things worse.

You have to understand these people live by the idea that others shouldnt walk their land

So if that's the case then should we kick out all Muslims from Western countries? Since they're not the indigenous population of the West.

You have EVERYBODY just feeding on their countrys resources like some leeches. I mean put yourself in their skin for once you heartless hipocryts

If i put myself in their 'skin' so to speak then they would do EXACTLY the same thing if the situation was reversed. Perhaps you haven't heard of 'Food for Oil program'? We don't steal oil from them they actually get money from it.

If you want to go by that logic then does it make them 'leeches' if they use technology that was invented in the West? Or that people from those countries go to the Western universities to get a better education?

I am completely astonished at how ignorant and skewed your view is of everything.

Next time you post try not to be so close minded.

ok ill try not to be close minded. What i was trying to say is that different people interpret holy books diferently, no matter the religion. So in the case of extremist muslims, this is not acceptable. And i just pointed out that this belief "might" be connected to the crusades and was carried from that time on as one of the interpretations of koran. And what has happened is you have basically every imaginable army in iraq right now, and this from my point of view is not not productive if all people of the world are to live in peace. Becouse those that are fueling this hatred use this as one of the reasons.

Oh about kicking muslims out of countries, isnt the situation a bit different. Muslims are not ocupying european countries, if anything they are productive members of society. Westeners are manipulating governments, leeching oil, testing new weapons, sodomizing prisoners, killing civilians as well (in huge numbers)......who is to say who is better than the other. Everybody is f$&#$ up

Obviously i dont blame anyone living now for what happened in the past, but we should trace the problems to possible roots.

And FOOD FOR OIL?
Please dont be silly, its a ripoff by any means

We all agree that what happened with those hostages in russia was not acceptable by any standards....but then again, what drives people to such measures? I think that for taking children hostage, you probably are a very very desperate person to say at least. You do know that the suicide women that blew up the airplanes in russia just a while ago were so called "black widows". You can probably guess that they were widowed by russian soldiers about 10 years ago....and so on and so on. All you need is a hate spark to ignite the hatred, and you can see this in these forums every day. Only most of the hating is done by americans, im sorry. Why americans in general are so easily manipulated into hatered is somewhat of a mistery to me. They generally have this need for someone to be the cause of all their misery. russians, vietnamese, saddam, castro, canadians, mexicans, anyone will do as long as you can pin something on him. Its not their government god forbid, theyre flawless, it cant be 40 years of massive and dirty involvement in the mid east crisis, no way, everything they do is right, and everyone else is wrong. If you dont agree theyll just bomb you untill you do. And its not only USA, nationalism is on the rise big time.

And i just want to say one more thing:

PEOPLE THAT KILL OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT RELIGIOUS!!!!

no matter what "religion" they are. We are all just humans, but some of us need to get our feet down on the ground, dont you think. To think that you are better than anyone else is nacism.
State of the world now in very sad, i dont know how well ever get out of this mess.

[edit on 4-9-2004 by nukunuku]

Originally posted by ArMaP
weirdo

If you say that cultures do not mix you should see what happened with Portugal. Since the conquest of what was Moor land and after became what is now Portugal, Christians, Muslims and Jews lived here without problems, at least until the Inquisition.
After the XV century, when the Portuguese started the "discovery" of most of all Africa's coast and the way to reach India and all the Far East, we did not had problems with those different cultures, not when Portuguese people went to those countries or when people from those countries came to Portugal.

Even today, Portugal has lots of Jews, Muslims, Chinese, African, and with the changing of the situation in Eastern Europe, we now have also lots of Russians, Romanians, Ukrainians, etc., and we do not have nothing more than localised problems.

Quote from the Associaco De Professores De Historia.

Portugal emerged in the 12th Century.Due to endless fights and negotiations D Afonso 1 became the !st King of Portugal in 1179.At the eyes of all the christian world that meant the birth of a new kingdom in a part of the world were the fight against the infidels would be reinforced by a bakup force of attack against Palastine and the penninsula.

Basically in the past countries prospered by invading weaker countries and expanding there own empires.This was always acheieved with the use of force.Every country in History has a blood past returning to the very beginins of History.Please people forget the high school history lesson and go and research the real thing.

Originally posted by infinite

Ever since 911, I have no doubt that their goal is to slaughter the us & everyone who is not like them. I wish they'd hurry up & nuke one of our cities, so we can justify extinguishing their seed from this planet. What a glorious day that will be.

So tell us, what poison is in your blood? National Socialism, Klu Klux Klan, Neo Nazism??

Every since Sept 11th, normal muslims have been blamed and have become victim to a witch hunt. Get a grip man, there is a difference between normal muslims and islamic terrorists......islamic terrorists are not muslims

I have no poison in my blood, but in my genes I have at least one that stands for survival. I stand for freedom & peace of all races & religions. I'll live along side anyone of any race or religion. I have no hatred for anyone, any religion or any race. But if their coming to kill me and they miss I think I have the right to stop them from trying a second time. Remember I'm not looking to kill anyone, but if they make an attempt to kill me or my loved ones I will retaliate.

You label me as a NAZI or KKK because I don't lay down and say oh yeah nice shot, but you missed I love you man you sure you don't want to try again. I love you man can I buy you a drink, I love you man can I buy you dinner if you don't kill my kids. Oh, I'm sorry I'm not a muslim, if I join will you quit trying to kill me. I promise I won't let my daughter go to school & I'll make sure she marries a muslim & gets locked up in the house all day. Will you quit trying to kill me then.

Hey, I remember when you ruled the planet once - yeah I was around too. I guess that means it's still yours. How come you let it get away from you in the first place, oh never mind I love you man - here rule the world man - take the helm. Would you like some nukes to go with that, so you can exterminate all the filthy non-muslims. Like I said I promise to join so you don't have to kill me.


[edit on 5-9-2004 by outsider]

You label me as a NAZI or KKK because I don't lay down and say oh yeah nice shot, but you missed I love you man you sure you don't want to try again

No i labeled you that because you are stereotyping a whole religion, just like the Nazi's done to the jews and you said we should nuke em. My question to you, so all muslims are extremists to you?


[edit on 5-9-2004 by infinite]

No, I doubt all muslims aren't extremist, but I guess that question is best answered by muslims & not me. What bother's me the most is it seems muslims tolorate the extremist and allow them to live & hide among them, while pretending that their not aware of that persons extremist views when in reality they know with crystal clarity what that person is about.

I know I could not allow someone with plans to slaughter children live or hide in my midst, it baffles me that anyone who calls themselves peace loving people can. If someone in my community did such a thing I'd be the first to stand up and condemn them for what they are, but the so called peace loving muslims seem to rejoice everytime many who are not of their kind are slaughtered and it is rare if ever that they condemn such actions. The best we get is well if you weren't they way you are it wouldn't have happened etc.

[edit on 5-9-2004 by outsider]

Originally posted by outsider
No, I doubt all muslims aren't extremist, but I guess that question is best answered by muslims & not me. What bother's me the most is it seems muslims tolorate the extremist and allow them to live & hide among them, while pretending that their not aware of that persons extremist views when in reality they know with crystal clarity what that person is about. I know I could not allow someone with plans to slaughter children live or hide in my midst, it baffles me that anyone who calls themselves pease loving people can.

Ok then, what about Jews and Christains?? they have extremists in their religion, why not ask them the same question??

[edit on 5-9-2004 by infinite]

With the possible exception of Israel, I don't see too much targeting of civilians by Jews. Although I don't currently run with any jewish people, I did grow up among many jews & they were some of the nicest people I've ever known to this day.

I don't recall any christians targeting any civilians or even being accused of doing so in my lifetime. I don't consider myself christian - although I'm an American.

Like I said I don't hate anyone, but if you point a gun at me - you don't leave me much choice.

[edit on 5-9-2004 by outsider]