NEar Death Experience? It's all in your head son.

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One word to sum up the current empirical method and the beliefs of these types of "researchers and scientists."

ARROGANCE.

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by Absco
'___'

I hate to be that guy that mentions this but '___' is totally what is released in your brain as you die. People that have these experiences are basically getting rushes of '___' from the Pineal Gland.

Once again, sorry to be the "drug guy" but it's true..

'___' Wiki

edit on 3-11-2011 by Absco because: (no reason given)

again not an argument against the soul leaving the body, it could be argued it is the physical manifestation of the passing, as designed by a deity, to coincide with the passing from physical to spiritual

I love seeing intelligent responses,
thank you!

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Your welcome, thanks for that reply. I give more detail in the thread, if you like. Thanks for sharing that part about your friend astral projecting. Astronaut? Huh?

Its cool. I cant' do that. I just see things from time to time and don't have any control over the process. I would say I am inside my body when these things occur, but am seeing something that is not there... or that other people around me did not see... very awkward.

I have had my own experiences. Including with a research chemical close to '___', I forget what the letters and numbers preceding "'___'" in the name were though(we just nicknamed it vibrant, or call it "the holy grail" lol it was that good). I also practice releasing these chemicals naturally by inducing sleep paralysis to have OBEs and travel the astral. NDE's are just your brain being friendly and preparing you to reunite with the Universal Conciseness, to kinda ease you into it.

For those who think this study proves these experiences are not spiritual in nature, do not realize that reality itself, including our physical bodies, are the imagination of Our own consciousness.

Oh, I'm pissing you off now because you think I'm a delusional fanatic. You think there is no way I could know these things. Oh, now your even more mad because I said I "know" not "believe". Don't bother arguing with me, it's pointless for you because you literally can not convince me otherwise, and it's pointless for me because you will only change your mind once you have a powerful enough spiritual experience(maybe not until your death, that is if you keep your mind shut).

Now go ahead and ego trip while you THINK about how much smarter you are than some druggie online(you think I'm a druggie because of the '___' mention). Not only are you gonna ego trip, but your gonna believe I'm the one with the big ego... because you think I just think I know, and don't actually know. When you meet your maker, ie when you see your own reflection in the universe, and realize those crazy "delusional" kids on the internet were correct, you will just laugh harder if you are really annoyed right now.(thats why I'm trying to be as annoying about it as possible) And if you don't think I'm crazy, but if your not sure whether to believe me, just follow your heart and all of your questions will be answered.

Annnnnddd, I'm out.... And please don't believe me, it takes all the fun out of it, I'm not even trying to use reverse psychology, blind belief is worthless.

Originally posted by CREAM
I have had my own experiences. Including with a research chemical close to '___', I forget what the letters and numbers preceding "'___'" in the name were though(we just nicknamed it vibrant, or call it "the holy grail" lol it was that good). I also practice releasing these chemicals naturally by inducing sleep paralysis to have OBEs and travel the astral. NDE's are just your brain being friendly and preparing you to reunite with the Universal Conciseness, to kinda ease you into it.

For those who think this study proves these experiences are not spiritual in nature, do not realize that reality itself, including our physical bodies, are the imagination of Our own consciousness.

Oh, I'm pissing you off now because you think I'm a delusional fanatic. You think there is no way I could know these things. Oh, now your even more mad because I said I "know" not "believe". Don't bother arguing with me, it's pointless for you because you literally can not convince me otherwise, and it's pointless for me because you will only change your mind once you have a powerful enough spiritual experience(maybe not until your death, that is if you keep your mind shut).

Now go ahead and ego trip while you THINK about how much smarter you are than some druggie online(you think I'm a druggie because of the '___' mention). Not only are you gonna ego trip, but your gonna believe I'm the one with the big ego... because you think I just think I know, and don't actually know. When you meet your maker, ie when you see your own reflection in the universe, and realize those crazy "delusional" kids on the internet were correct, you will just laugh harder if you are really annoyed right now.(thats why I'm trying to be as annoying about it as possible) And if you don't think I'm crazy, but if your not sure whether to believe me, just follow your heart and all of your questions will be answered.

Annnnnddd, I'm out.... And please don't believe me, it takes all the fun out of it, I'm not even trying to use reverse psychology, blind belief is worthless.

edit on 4-11-2011 by CREAM because: (no reason given)

Great words! totally agree

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Did they have anybody with "NDEs" who had experiences with going to Hell?

About NDE's and Hell... Yes. Some have reported experiences which constituted dire warnings.

I do not spend a lot of energy on this topic, but became familiar with it by reading a book on early research on the topic over thirty years ago, Life after Life.

As matter of factually and as in passing as my faith's scripture mentions it ("After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision") I have had spiritual visions since as long as I can remember. One stands out in its own way. It had all of the "sense" of other visions, but the content was unusually obvious, and in hindsight makes sense when understood as a NDE. I was very sick at the time with a very high fever, so a delusion induced by fever is possible-- but I don't think so, for several good reasons, not the least of which is with all that high fever, which went on for weeks I knew what fever induced delusions were like and this was not like it.

In my case, I met my Lord, and it is the only vision which I ever have had in which I did see Him (dang it!). My interpretation was that I was outside, beside a "perfect" little brook, under some immature shade trees, facing an enormous white wall and with my back toward an uncomfortably bright light. But the light was not something, but someOne. Just as I turned in realization, that One said, "You are not supposed to be here." And while the words were not cruel, over the years I have grown to hate those words more and more.

A moment later, I was awake and in my bed knowing only that I had to get downstairs to my parents for help; but my soul hurt from the rebuff which I did not feel I deserved-- I had not gone somewhere where I did not belong-- I had simply found myself there and did not know how I got there.

Note the absence of a "tunnel of light"-- instead I was aware of the light being behind me and it was no "tunnel" when I turned to look-- which kills the medical theory in my case. No relatives waiting to greet me (although for the theory of "random neurons" it is interesting that an oxygen-starved brain with heavy flow of natural chemicals produces so many descriptions that those seen are only persons already dead).

You may imagine how such stories as my own have life-changing effect on those who experience them. The book I read of those experiencing warnings of "Hell" included stories that the persons did undergo amendment of life -- as if given a second chance. In my case, the greatest alteration of my life seems to be how I have faced death...

I had another NDE with no uncommon experience (except for a very miraculous means of being rescued). As I waited to die unable to save myself-- and I would have died had others not intervened, I was expectant, not fearful. I was expecting to find myself beside the "perfect" brook under the shade trees with my Lord nearby... again. And since then, I have faced life-endangering situations including men with firearms and other weapons and marvel at my own ... contempt (?).

The last time-- about three years ago a street gang with one man bragging about having a gun. I didn't care like I should have. I knew he had a gun, and I knew he assumed that would make me compliant-- but instead I stood my ground, and commenting only on the "look" in my eyes not being "right," he and the more than a dozen others slunk away. His girl was the only one who spoke to me after that. She said, "You are either the bravest man in the world or the craziest." I smiled and said, "Yeah. I wonder which it is, too." What no one knew is that each time I have faced potentially life-ending situations; deep inside, that "perfect" brook beckons to me-- while the wicked and insane hostility of this life confronting me is nothing to desire to keep.

I am not any braver than the next person, and I am not crazy. I am just tired of this life-- and have been tired since that night with the high fever when I was six. And instead of wasting my life merely waiting for it to end, with no intent of doing other than that, I have lived as boldly as I am able-- even if it does not feel that way. My therapist for PTSD said that most of the combat vets who comprise the majority of her clients do not have as many traumatic experiences as I have-- just that theirs are all compressed into a short time whereas mine have been one after another over a whole life.

That is important for me to tell, here, now. Believing in life after death is not about "comfort" for me but rather about a boldness I would not otherwise have had. He did say He had "come to give life, and to give it abundantly."

I realize my story cannot convince anyone of my interpretation-- but I can at least explain my own experiences have convinced me.

Here is a new thread about a Dr's. NDE. It is a pretty interesting story as all of them are to me. Here is the link to the Ats thread ..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If anyone wishes to know, I have been lifeless for a period of just over 20 minutes, breathless and lifeless.

Only to willfully return to my body.
There is another side.

Life is just a form of animated death.

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Ive had 4 NDE's in my life so far over starting the first time at 17 during a very physical surfing accident, the event changed me forever, if it was all in my head then I would have died back in 1979 and would not be writting this now. So whoever wrote the article has no idea what there talking about. And has no experience in the area of NDE's. You have to experience them first before you can write about them. And most are never spoken about to others since its a very private thing, and it does change your whole perspective on the world around you...

I bet if you were a high ranked Doctor who everyone trusted and I was a highly respected government official with a limitless wallet I could convince you to come up with whatever BULL*&% excuse to make any spiritual, mystical, illogical, potentially ground breaking discovery a simple misfire of neurons in your head or drug related to keep you from looking any further into the matter... Come on now you can't honestly be on this site ABOVE TOP SECRET and also believe everything you hear and see on TV and the news... The whole reason people are on here is because you don't trust your government to give you the concrete truth or at least what they know hence ABOVE TOP SECRET.

Just my opinion...

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It Seems Obscure to believe in something so meaningless , unless it truly happens to those that are scared about things, they search for ways to understand something so that everyone else won't feel the same extravagant Paranoia of death. With the influence of death of Both religion and Society. To Base it on science is the same thing except now you made it physical. O so now that its Physical it's real what are minds don't seem to comprehend from our everyday life's at the end of the day is that you believe your stressed you believe your tired, But Do you truly understand the simplest of nothing in true perspective. You don't see the obvious feel the obvious you just understand so you say you understand death because you can give it too people, Why not just die and find out ... to truly comprehend .

Adi Da the avatar said that only a fifth stage yogi, (only a few of these on earth) could
enter and stay in the subtle heaven worlds. Adi Da appeared to be God. I saw him, its so.

A fifth stage yogi is someone who has transcended most of their ego.

There is no heaven full of sheeple, no way. they would all end up in hell.
And 5 million americans
claim to have been abducted by aliens and no sane person believes
that is possible.
While there is a spiritual dimension to reality, mere belief
has nothing to do with reality and will not get you to heaven
if there is such a place.
That is simply paganism.

Here Roky sings about-------(the empty place , in his fire engine)

D
M
T

place..

Let me take you to the empty place in my fire engine
Let me take you to the empty place in my fire engine
It can drive you out of your mind
Climb the ladder of your own design in my fire engine.

Don't tell it to go slow or stop
You're got to work it right up to the top
A piercing bolt of neon red
Explodes on fire inside your head

Let me take you to the empty place on my fire engine
Let me take you to the empty place in my fire engine
Blow it in rhythms making you
Round in the corner you can feel the ring on my fire engine

Close your eyes and you will raise
Your image you no longer taste
A fiery flood engulfs your brain
And drowns your partner (?)

Let me take you to the empty place on my fire engine
Let me take you to the empty place on my fire engine
It can drive you out of your mind
Climb the ladder of your own design in my fire engine.

It's pretty obvious that "studies" like this have one agenda - to prove that everything operates inside the brain and that consciousness doesn't exist without the brain - that physical matter contains consciousness and nothing else. First of all, the sheer amount of people who have left their body, traveled long distances and seen and witnessed things to be later found out to be true should alert these "scientists" to something. Oh wait a minute - there's no physical "proof" of these instances. Actually there is, but they would never in a million years accept it. So the fact that they go on completely ignoring everything but what they wish to prove totally discredits them in my opinion. I don't even read studies like this anymore. Who cares? I've left my body and seen things. I was there, not them. The only way out of the scads of instances where people have a great case for the fact that they did leave their body is to say they're all lying. Sure, some of them might be - but all of them? Throughout all the centuries that these instances can be found? Ridiculous. Illogical - the opposite of true science.

Proving anything about the brain means nothing. While clearly our consciousness is ensconced in the brain and affected by it while we're here, the scientific method, no matter what it does in any study, has no "verifiable" way to ever prove that consciousness is solely dependent on the brain, only that it's affected by it. So what? It means nothing to me.

And '___' being released when we die - so what? The trips people have on '___' aren't any less real just because they're drug induced. All that's happening is the brain's mechanism of filtering reality is changed. Who's to say the '___' reality isn't more valid than the "normal" one? Just because we start where we are, doesn't mean it's the "true" reality, just that our brains are presently geared to make us perceive life the way we presently do. All that's being proven is that the brain can be messed with to perceive other things - it says nothing about these others realities being "real" or not.