BREAKING! Arizona Sheriff's Investigation of Birth Certificate

reply to post by MamaJ


TsukiLunar has repeatedly provided credible data links to back his position. You, however, have not. That would tell me that you have no hard data - only your opinion. I would be very curious to see your research, and see how credible it is.

And NWO, please. There will never be a NWO, because the leaders of the world will never agree long enough to have any order!

And, FYI - I am 51 yrs old - so I'm NOT young!

reply to post by MamaJ

Insulting? Dude,....you are young. That is a fact and that is the reason why you would know a fraction of what I know.

I may be young, but my sources are not.

If that offends you then you may want to get off this forum. That is not my intent AT ALL!!

No, what offends me is people saying that information presented to them is wrong simply because one has not lived as long.

You have pages of floating a link around that you have no clue about and then expect me to do your homework for you.

Please, I have linked only what i have needed to back up my arguments. I have taken my stance and done my best to prove it. I have asked you, repeatedly, to debunk them. If you have verifiable information to the contrary i am waiting for it.

I won't. I will not even take the time to post a video for you. Research as I have!!!

If you are so confident, take the time to upload your factual and verifiable information. Not doing so does not help your argument. Not to mention that is the whole point of an argument. Why insist on things if you will not take the time to back it up?

And as for me providing evidence of the NWO....there are MANY links on this site for both Obama and his funding not to mention all the threads about the NWO.

I have looked at the information and i have deemed it absurd. The government hardly has enough competence as it is, do you really think they could pull off something of that magnitude? Not to mention the obvious straw man arguments and outright lies used to push the information.

On topic. If you have ANY actual proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii then i will be willing to take a look at it.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


I am giving (keyword:giving) you this thread because it is fresh and I am in no way going to do your homework for you. If you believe in something it is up to you to investigate and research what YOU believe. There are tons and tons of sites and news worthy videos and text that can prove the links between Obama and Acorn and the other sinister groups. He is not an honest person and has bought and paid for the seat he reigns in.

Here is the thread from this morning talking about the OWS, Acorn and Obama. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a thread about the NWO.... www.abovetopsecret.com...

In the future I hope you will research and investigate before you throw in your "belief". I also hope you are not offended that your belief is not shared by me, nor is it shared by the majority. Why? Because for those of us who have researched and investigated, it is clear who deceives and who lies. Look around the world and tell me the "changes" you see. It is not for the good and for your children and Grandchildren...I hope we come out of this hole TPTB have placed us in. This election, if you are old enough to vote, research and investigate the leader you think will do the best job so you are not like many today wishing they would have investigated and researched Obama.

Peace and love to you and yours,

Jenn

PS...Like I told you yesterday ....there are tons of threads right here on ATS that can give you an idea of just WHO is leading this Country. It is time for everyone to wake up to the reality and change it.

Originally posted by sibbs
I would like to see this cleared up with possitive revealings of this. Things are getting bad here in America and why wasn't this made sure in the very beginning before the election, it puzzles me.

I too would like to see this issue cleared up, for once and for all. If the man has a legal birth record, why doesn't he just release it? Was Obama placed as a Patsy, a Puppet to higher powers controlled by the Banking Cartel?

I think an investigation should begin on how GWB and crew altered the vote, and stole the election.

Originally posted by autowrench
If the man has a legal birth record, why doesn't he just release it?

He has released it - but some people refuse to accept anything Obama releases, as their whinge is about Obama being the legal POTUS.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by autowrench
If the man has a legal birth record, why doesn't he just release it?

He has released it - but some people refuse to accept anything Obama releases, as their whinge is about Obama being the legal POTUS.

I voted for Obama. I have seen the birth certificate that was released. It's not the original and there are serious problems with what they did release. It's a fact that it's been altered. Now if there is a legitimate reason why it's been manufactured and altered, I'd be interested in hearing that.

So you see, there is good reason why many want more information. The man has a history of using different names, religions, lived in other nations so it's natural to have questions. If your response is "Why don't we ask that about Bush or whoever?" the answer is because we know were he was raised. Is this really that hard to understand?

Not everyone that wants more on this is a republican, racist, hater, etc. That's just a distraction that works as well as any other jedi mind trick on the weak minded. So use the force and snap out of it.

Originally posted by Paschar0
It's not the original and there are serious problems with what they did release. It's a fact that it's been altered.

Not a fact, but just birther lies.

Now if there is a legitimate reason why it's been manufactured and altered,

except it has not been altered, that is just a birther lie...

The man has a history of using different names, religions,

Any proof that Obama used different names or religion?

lived in other nations

So anybody that has travelled overseas is suspicious.... The birthers get sillier every day!

the answer is because we know were he was raised.

and we know exactly where Obama was born and raised also...

Is this really that hard to understand?

yes, as we know exactly where Obama was born and raised

So use the force and snap out of it.

you are the one who should snap out of the birther nonsense!

It's a good thing when someone continues to challenge what
doesn't sit right with them. It's freedom of thought.
We don't want to lose that, do we?

Using our critical thinking skills are a vital part of survival.
It's the only thing that will lift the veil of deception and manipulation.

We already know what happens when we don't question what's going on.
Look around, it's not pretty.

Keep digging.

reply to post by spoor


I'm sorry, but I don't accept your beliefs and you are just wrong on some things altogether.

I've downloaded and looked at the birth certificate released myself. I work with media for a living and could easily see how the document was manufactured or altered (layers). This is a FACT. You can say it isn't all you like, but it won't change this. Now if they admitted to doing this for some unknown reason, I would be interested in hearing it, but they haven't.

It's common knowledge regarding his names and the other things you're confused about. You might try reading his own book genius.

You don't really seem interested in learning anything or actually knowing the truth, you just mindlessly repeat the same nonsense with little to back it up.

Maybe one day that will change.

Originally posted by Paschar0
I've downloaded and looked at the birth certificate released myself.

No you have not looked at Obama's birth certificate

This is a FACT.

No, it is a claim, not a fact. You have no understanding how Obama's certificate was scanned using OCR

It's common knowledge regarding his names

No, it is a common birther lie - care to show some Proof Obama used another name?

and the other things you're confused about.

birthers are the ones confused here!

reply to post by Paschar0


If you have any specific problems with the BC, tell me and i will clear them up. TELL ME why you think it is fake.

reply to post by spinkyboo

Keep digging.

You dont keep digging for gold when it is not there. You move on to somewhere else.