Can someone explain this crypto jew/khazar thing to me?

There are people out there that don't like zionists very much and think that they are
in total control.
As I understand it you think that ashkenazi jews are in totalt control of the
state, the media, finances etc etc.
But they are not really jews but only mask as jews. They are actually khazars.
And therefor the state of Israel is illegitimate and the claim that they are
jews is false.


1. Are other jewish groups OK for example the Sephardic Jews?

2. What difference does it make if they are khazars?
Why is this specific turkic group so special?
I mean look how many turkic peoples there are.
en.wikipedia.org...:Turkic_peoples

Is there any specific gene that makes them sneaky and untrustworthy?
And if, can you identify that gene?

3. It really doesn't make any sense to me that these "khazars" have a
completely united hive mind so unified that they are never compromised
except for Benjamin Freedman. Please explain?

To me this concept seems too awsome. I can see organisations such as the Bilderberg Group
wielding power, although not supreme, that influence a lot of policy making in the western world.
I just can't understand how an ethnic group can do this so covertly.

reply to post by Metallic Monk


And of course the logical answer is they can't.

The Jews have been the worlds favorite scapegoat for thousands of years. I pity and sympathize with them.

First of all, one has to realize what a zionist is. Christians can be zionist just as Jews can be. Here is what a zionist is: Jewish Zionism

Zionism is a political movement among Jews (although supported by some non-Jews) which maintains that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. Formally founded in 1897, Zionism embraced a variety of opinions in its early years on where that homeland might be established. From 1917 it focused on the establishment of a Jewish national homeland or state in Palestine, the location of the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Since 1948, Zionism has been a movement to support the development and defence of the State of Israel, and to encourage Jews to settle there.

Jewish

Christian Zionism

Christian Zionism is essentially Christian support for Zionism. Zionism is a political system based on ethnic exclusivity giving Jews preferential political rights which are denied to Palestinians. The United Nations has defined Zionism as a form of racism and apartheid. Nevertheless, in the words of Grace Halsell the essential message of the Christian Zionist is this: “every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.”

Heresy

Basically, a zionist is someone who, particularly within the Christian ranks, believes that ALL Jews must return to their "homeland" before the Messiah can return. They try to speed this process along. After all, we all know that there is nothing that some Christians and Muslims would like to see more than their dreamed up Armageddon to take place.

reply to post by Metallic Monk


Do your homework...the Khazars don't exist today and have already absorbed among most Christians, Muslims and some Jews throughout all of Europe and the Middle East.

The Sephardic Jews are North African, Spanish and Middle Eastern Jews. The Mizrachi Jews are orginally from Babylon and Persia. The Ashkenazi Jews are mainly from Germany, Poland and Caucasia (Europe) of whose origins are from the Middle East.

The Khazar debate was started by the Arabs in the 1960s to try and illigitimize Israel when in fact the Arabs themselves are a mixed breed of Arab, Greek, Roman, French, Turkish, Persian, Assyrian, Mongolian, African, Egyptian people themselves. In fact, the Arabs are far more mixed than the Jews past and present but the Arabs kinda have selective memories of their past roots.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


There are several types of Zionism but unfortunately the ignoramas of the masses can't get past Political Zionism.

Are any of you aware even the Palestinian Arabs are Zionists too?

Thanks to both nightbringr and SpeakerofTruth for your input.
But I really wanted an answer from someone who actually thinks that crypto jews/khazars run the world.
I do have a question for both of you. Do anyone of you know where this "ashkenazi jews are really secret khazars"-thing started? I mean it must have begun somewhere.

reply to post by bluemirage5


So thats where it started. Who exactly started it? In what country?
I am really fascinated with this kind of underground mythos even if I don't believe it myself.

reply to post by bluemirage5


The Palestinian Arabs are Zionists too?
Please explain.

reply to post by Metallic Monk


I would suggest you do a quick google search for a book named "The Thirteenth Tribe".

I just did ::

iamthewitness.com...

However reading this just might influence you future thoughts on the subject, so BEWARE !!!

This may, or may not, have anything to do with the Zionist movement a lot of people talk about.

Maybe this will explain why some people feel zionists have control.

Jewish people are 2% of the U.S. population, Zionists are much less than that.. yet they control hollywood.. and our government:

White House Chief of Staff – Rahm Emanuel

Deputy White House Chief of Staff – Mona Sutphen

Special Presidential Adviser – David Axelrod

Secretary of Treasury – Timothy Geithner

Deputy Secretary of Treasury – Neal Wolin

Under Secretary of Treasury – Lael Brainard

President of the New York Fed – Carole Sonnenfeld

Economic Advisor to Obama-Biden – Robert Reich

Economic Advisor to Obama-Biden – Robert Rubin

Ambassador to Middle East – Dennis Ross

Director Centers for Disease Control – Douglas Shulman

IRS Commissioner – Richard Haass

Director of Management and Budget – Peter Orszag

Chairman of Commodities Futures Trading Commission – Gary Gensler

U.S. Solicitor General (Supreme Court Nominee) – Elena Kagan

Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden – Ron Klain

Chairman Council of Advisors on Science and Technology – Eric Lander

Co-Chair of Advisors on Science and Technology – Harold Varmus

Deputy Secretaries of State – Jacob Lew and James Steinberg

White House Director of Communications – Ellen Moran

Middle East Desk National Security Council – Daniel Shapiro

Chairperson Securities and Exchange Commission – Mary Schapiro

Chairperson Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) – Sheila Bair

Major Legal Advisor to Obama-Biden – Sally Klain

Special Envoy to Pakistan/Afghanistan – Richard Holbrooke

Head of Small Business Administration – Karen Mills

Chairman Federal Trade Commission – Jon Leibowitz

Chairman Federal Communications Commission – Julius Genachowski

Commissioner of Food and Drug Administration – Dr. Margaret Hamburg

Deputy Commissioner Food and Drug Administration
- Dr. Joshua Sharfstein

Assistant to President for Legislative Affairs – Phil Schiliro

National Finance Chair – Penny Pritzker

Chief of Staff for Michelle Obama – Susan Sher

Obama’s Czars:

Economic Czar – Larry Summers

Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein

Pay Czar – Kenneth Feinberg

Guantanamo/Military Jails Czar – Daniel Fried

Car Czar – Ron Bloom

Border Czar – Alan Bersin

Climate Czar – Todd Stern

TARP Czar – Herb Allison

Non proliferation Czar – Gary Samore

Terrorism Czar – John O. Brennan

Science Czar – John Holdren

White House Medical Czar – Ezekiel Emanuel

Environmental Czar – Carol Browner

Domestic Violence Czar – Lynn Rosenthal

Govt. Performance Czar – Jeffrey Zients

Federal Reserve Bank (Privately Owned):

1) Ben S. Bernanke: Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2020.

2) Donald L. Kohn: Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2016.

3) Randall S. Kroszner: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.

5) Kevin M. Warsh: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

6) Paul Volcker: Chair of Economic Recovery Advisory Board

7) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman.

Federal Reserve District Bank Presidents:


Eric S. Rosengren – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
- Charles I. Plosser – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia
- Jeffrey M. Lacker – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond
- James B. Bullard – President, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
- Gary H. Stern – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
- Thomas M. Hoenig – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
- Richard W. Fisher – President, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas
- Janet L. Yellen – President, Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco

Jewish Banks That Own The Federal Reserve System:

* Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin

* Goldman Sachs Bank of New York

* Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York/Shearson American Express

* Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris

* Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy

* Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam

* Lehman Brothers Bank of New York

* Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (David Rockefeller)

INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS:

Richard Holbrooke:Special Envoy to Pakistan/Afghanistan
- Stuart Levey: Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
- Lawrence Summers: Chairman, National Economic Council
- Paul Volcker: Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board
- Jared Bernstein: Chief Economist and Economic Adviser,
- Peter Orszag: Director, Office of Management and Budget
- Jason Furman: Deputy Director, Office of Management and Budget
- Jeffrey Zeints: Chief Performance Officer to streamline government and cut costs as well as Deputy Director for Management at the Office of Management and Budget
- Gary Gensler: Chairman, Commodity Futures Trading Commission
- Mary Schapiro: Chairwoman, Securities and Exchange Commission
- Sheila Bair: Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
- Karen Mills: Administrator

reply to post by hdutton


Two questions:
1. I take it you think that the ashkenazis do not belong in Israel. Would you find it OK if the Sephardic jews moved in instead?

2. What does modern genetics say about the ashkenazim khazar connection?

If I may, I'd like to recommend a most excellent (in my opinion) thread by staff's own AshleyD called Debunking the 'Fake Jew' AKA The 'Khazarian Jew' Myth. It's a good one with some very good discussion included.

reply to post by Drezden


Can you say with 100% certainty that all of these people are ideological zionists?

BTW, isn't Rahm Emanuel the mayor of Chicago now?

No one has answered me yet. Why is this specific turkic tribe supposedly sneaky and untrustworthy?
What is it in their biology that makes them this way?
All I have heard is just a bunch of info on how they where converted to judaism. But who cares what they converted to. They are apparently still khazars and khazars are apparently sneaky and untrustworthy by nature.

reply to post by yeahright


I will dig down into that later on. Thanx.

The khazars adopted the talmud in the 700s or so, but the big deal was the rabbis coming back online around 1000AD or so. Rather than "Jews", I prefer to use the term "Shecklites" because they worship the shekel. Their enemy, is debt forgiveness, as Jesus advocated by overthrowing their sheckle-booths inside the temple.

The whole reason talmud is evil, is as Jesus said to its adherent in his day: "You bind up heavy loads and place them on the shoulders of those who cannot bear them."

Read the history of Rabbi Hillel and of Judah Ha-Nasi and those who survived the Bar Kokchba group sacrifice.

Hillel is worshiped by shecklites today (who built the talmud up in Babylon mostly) who basically cancelled the ancient idea of debt-forgiveness. All you have to do, to understand the evil of talmud and law-as-weapon, is read the Jewish Encyclopedia, available at finer libraries. Some good subheadings to start would be would be: Banking, Jacob Frank, Judah Ha-Nasi, Jesus/Yeshu, Balaam.

Also check out Rabbi Antelman's book "To Eliminate the Opiate" where he explains far more about Jacob Frank. Most libraries will not carry the Rabbi's book, and that is obvious to see why: It essentially exposes the lies in the rest of the books in there!

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320253313&sr=1-1

If you research Moses, and who he was, and who lived at his time, and who probably killed him, you will see the story come together easily. Or, if you are politically motivated, simply try to do war on sheckles (moneychangers) or sheklism in general, and watch who gets irate.

Originally posted by Metallic Monk
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

The Palestinian Arabs are Zionists too?

Please explain.

Zionism = the movement to claim a homeland for your people.

The Palestinians want a home.

reply to post by smallpeeps


This still falls under history but anyway.
1. Why would Jesus be so angry at the moneychangers. Yes they were in the temple but they were not khazars.
The khazars converted like fivehundred years laters so these people in the temple could not have been khazars.

2. Aren't there two different Talmuds? The Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud?


Why is it that the Babylonian one is always pulled out in these discussions but never the Jerusalem Talmud?

BTW, why was Jacob Frank so evil?
I don't know anything about the guy so I can't say. But why is he specific punching bag when it comes to discussions like this?