OWS Turning Violent

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Jean Paul Zodeaux - I never got to read your responses to our last thread because we were both shut down:

Previous Debate

I’m glad to read your response to this topic. It’s apparent from our last exchange that we disagree on some things but I enjoy reading your point of view anyway. You believe what you say, so I respect that and try to understand it.

Capitalism seems to be reviled by much of this so called 99% but they clearly are pointing to corporatism, not capitalism. Corporatists hate capitalism and want nothing at all to do with free and unregulated markets, nor massive competition, and fiat currency only facilitates their desire to keep people living as consumers.

This has been my number one argument since this OWS thing started!!

You say you want a revolution? Good! Try a velvet revolution of non-acquiescence to tyranny and an insistence on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property, and/or Happiness. That's a revolution for the ages!

I agree that we don’t need a revolution. Let’s be honest…the people who are at OWS are in no position to even start a revolution. As much as they’d like to think they have numbers, the reality is there are very, very few who support the radical views most in OWS espouse. There are even fewer in support of a revolution. OWS hardly has a plan in place to create change…only chaos. You have to have some serious, well thought out plans in place and a great number of people who agree with you in order to create revolutionary change. OWS just doesn't have that, so I hope the few who want to instigate violence are restrained.

reply to post by seabag

Jean Paul Zodeaux - I never got to read your responses to our last thread because we were both shut down:

My last response in that thread was a defense of your right to voice your opinion. I suppose that one got posted off topic because I quoted the guy I was replying to and that member wasn't so nice. Anyway, I most assuredly defend your right to express your opinion, even if at times they are in fierce disagreement with mine.

I agree that we don’t need a revolution.

Respectfully Brother, that is not really my stance. I think we do need revolution, just not violent bloody revolution. At any rate, I do honestly believe that more people will find freedom and some semblance of security by embracing a free and unregulated market, rather than acquiescing to a heavily regulated market that only serves corporate and government interests in that they get bigger, while the People get smaller. It is the People who hold the inherent political power in any country. Governments can never be superior to those who have created them, and/or tolerate them.

OWS in its current form is probably not workable. Although it is a cliche to point it out, they really do need a focused message and some sort of organized leadership. A leaderless movement can only go so far, which is what OWS is discovering.

My prediciton: OWS will splinter into several groups. Some of them might be violent. Other similar protests from people with different ideologies (i.e., some on the right) might be inspired to start their own movements.

The ultimate significance of OWS is probably in what it will inspire down the road.

Unfortunately the movement going violent is the only way for there to be a true socialist revolution. I can't wait to march on Capitol Hill with my comrades.

Originally posted by Partygirl
My prediciton: OWS will splinter into several groups. Some of them might be violent. Other similar protests from people with different ideologies (i.e., some on the right) might be inspired to start their own movements.

The ultimate significance of OWS is probably in what it will inspire down the road.

They won't splinter into groups - I think the problem is that OWS is comprised of a bunch of differnet groups....hence the lack of focus and organization. As far as the "right" being inspired by this, I think it's the opposite; OWS was inspired by the Tea Party (the right) which came first. The big differences between the two (IMHO) are the Tea Party was never (and is not) violent, the Tea Party has organization, leadership and a clear direction, and the Tea Party seeks a completely different path.

I think you're right that the ultimate significance of OWS is what it will inspire down the road. This movement is waking people up and making people question things. I guess we'll see what the majority are really willing to do, because I don't believe OWS is the 99% (probably more like 35%).

reply to post by SG-17


It is interesting that you and your comrades need violence to shove your ideas down the throats of other Americans.

How can dictatorship not be born of that kind of sickening thinking?

If you try this, and you try to usurp the Constitution, you will have to deal with the US Armed forces.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by SG-17
Unfortunately the movement going violent is the only way for there to be a true socialist revolution. I can't wait to march on Capitol Hill with my comrades.

Communism is a harder, more ruthless form of corporatism, which is what we have now! That's what you seek?

Good Luck!!

Those who want revolution usually have no idea what they're getting themselves into:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

They usually wind up losing more than just their lives, but their who country to dictators.

Originally posted by SG-17
Unfortunately the movement going violent is the only way for there to be a true socialist revolution. I can't wait to march on Capitol Hill with my comrades.

Conversely, no violent revolution is necessary in order to have capitalism, just a free and unregulated market place where all can compete on an even playing field. No marching, or protest is necessary, just a willingness to compete and to flourish and prosper on ones own terms, in a lawful and peaceful manner.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


SG-17 doesn't want peace.

He wants to spill the blood of others because that's all he knows.
He doesn't care about liberty, or free markets. He wants to rule
with his comrades through fear and government decree.

That's what OWS has been about since the beginning:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

They've ALWAYS wanted violence. Only people here aren't smart enough to take them at their own words.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by SG-17

 

It is interesting that you and your comrades need violence to shove your ideas down the throats of other Americans.

You have it all wrong when they are shoving ideas it is called "freedom" when others shove their ideas on them it is called fascism. If only more people sat through their poly-sci class instead of ditching class to protest student loans then more people would see how stupid they look protesting whatever it is they think they are protesting.

Fascinating responses. Thanks everyone.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Those who want revolution usually have no idea what they're getting themselves into:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

They usually wind up losing more than just their lives, but their who country to dictators.

I remember reading that post. I couldn’t agree more that “We should seek restoration of what made this country great, prosperous, and free. To wish for revolution, in the context of every failed revolution in history, would be to wish for our own demise.” The reality is, the people trying to start trouble now have never seen war and have no idea how bad things will get….and how long they will remain screwed up!

War is not something that you just do – and then move on. War is something you live through (if you’re lucky) for a long time, and then it takes decades to rebuild into anything we (Americans) would remotely consider normal.

I don’t want to see this thing escalate for SOOOOO many reasons! It’s just not necessary at this point!! There is a better path to fixing our problems right now.

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