Anonymous On a Warpath With Zetas Drug Cartel After Kidnapping Of Group Member

Originally posted by kineticdamage
Where the power of Anon resides is their knowledge, but also their infinity : Crime organizations are defined by a finite number (their physical members), but Anonymous are undefined. Which means that if you cut one head, 2 other ones pop elsewhere.

...not directed at you specifically - just using that perspective as an example...

Nice sentiments.



Heres the thing though. Its not a Playstation Game...you don't get to respawn.

Its not cyberspace...REAL heads get cut off. Ie: People you may know, or your very own.


Keyboards and Monitors don't stop machettes when they come swinging at your neck.


As much as people just love to harp on with all these wonderous heavenly statements, join hands and sing "We shall not be moved", puff themselves up with their own collective beliefs of invulnerability...start lopping off some heads on prime-time youtube and you bet a HUGE chunk of the once-keen-warriors out there won't be so...


Heard it and seen it countless times while I in the active protest movement here in my own country.
A big staunch crowd of 'Gung-Ho Heros' all keen to stick it to the Man before it all goes down.
A big scattering crowd when the Man starts steamrolling in and cracking heads open.

...not many people are willing to lose their own blood, teeth and whatnot...fewer still will risk losing their head....



Lets be honest now. Its okay.

Only the crazy and the false brave would think less of anyone who didn't wish to end up without the need for a sun-hat...



So what am I gonna do about it? Am I a coward?
Well...those who actually know me know otherwise...I'm just not stupid about it...

Anonymous is more effective at fighting the drug war than the US government

reply to post by thedarktower

I dont think information would stop them. If it does, good on you, cause the governemnt cant do nothing

Except repeal prohibition and remove the revenue. It's too bad they don't care how bloody their war gets.

Double post

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
Anonymous is more effective at fighting the drug war than the US government

Not sure what you mean by that. Is Anonymous profiting and funding their operation through drug trafficking also? Remember, the Drug War is all about controlling drug traffic not stopping it. The US is quite effective in controlling it and taking their cut, Are you claiming Anonymous is more effective at doing that?

I think they could do it,

The only thing is, what must the Zeta's be thinking,
How much do they really even know about this annon movement.
There is a minimal chance they might be lost on exactly who these guys are, and possibly give in on the basis that they have no damn clue who this group is, or what exactly is so dangerous about them.

But then again, its Zetas, there a bunch of shallow followers, who pride themselves, are the inhumanity.

Makes me sick.

Who knows maybe Anon could drop a bomb like the names of some the gang members children or even photos. That would scare me, and might even make me snap.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am very disappointed that Anon backed down.

Very very very disappointed.

The Zetas are one of the worst organizations on Earth, extremely heartless and cruel.

Everyone should give them hell and do whatever they can to bring down their organization (along with the rest of the big cartels).

Very very very disappointed.

Muzzleflash have you got a link to this (new?) info?

Cheers.

reply to post by mr-lizard


That attack has been called off, but the dice are rolling somethings cannont be stopped...

Good to see our Mexican Anon bros handling things, these cartels are a pestilence and a scourge terrorizing it's people.

They should Expect Us!

I think this whole spat between Anonymous and this cartel could be all a lie.

There is no kidnapped member. Anonymous, aside from their own powers, could have huge connections both government and criminal (but mainly are reliant on the government of the United States in the way of intelligence (think C.I.A.)) that are helping them perpetrate this laughable egotistical bullcrap through YouTube. The cartel is in cooperation with Anonymous. I don't know WHY in this case this would happen.

Still, on the other hand and this could be more likely, there could be no kidnapped member but the F.B.I. and only the F.B.I. are pulling the strings of this Anonymous to try and prevent another terrorist attack on United States soil or somewhere else in the world that is friends with the United States in this war on terrorism. The F.B.I. will find however, if they ever get close to the truth, that its really because of corruption within a branch of the United States government. Like an x-file case, something that this site is partly about. Perhaps the N.S.A. or a related wing of them, the most advanced intelligence agency in the world according to the fat Americans themselves. Could be even N.A.S.A..

It could be just all another lie and possibly distraction by the same rich and powerful unknowns who are responsible for other stuff and working for something much greater but in this case like all the other stupid publicity that has gone on about every Tom, Dick and Harry and his dog, is almost useless and bores everyone to death now.

Whatever is the case, I'm not getting into the Anonymous vs. the Zetas Drug Cartel debate. I will point out one issue I have with a few members assertions- it's not the CIA. It's the FBI who have inflitrated Anonymous. Lawyers-with-guns broke in some time ago, it's well known if you search it out. As for the CIA, I suppose no one really knows, but the FBI is a known entity in there.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Im sorry but this is just more bull#, no one becomes a media package of interest unless there is money behind it, i dont believe for one nano second that these guys are anything less than the latest attempt by the corptocracy and the black .mil agencies to achieve penetration of a difficult and hardened target whilst creating an audience and attempted air of genuineness in the process.

You really wnat to piss the zetas off, well, why not dump all the bent banks, politicians, and members of the military from around the world who you know have connections instead of the low level lackeys.
These guys are a frikkin joke.

reply to post by tangonine


You're right, we shouldn't stand up for whats right because we might get Killded.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am very disappointed that Anon backed down.

Very very very disappointed.

The Zetas are one of the worst organizations on Earth, extremely heartless and cruel.

Everyone should give them hell and do whatever they can to bring down their organization (along with the rest of the big cartels).

Very very very disappointed.

Muzzleflash have you got a link to this (new?) info?

Cheers.

here's a story on theguardian about it

Anonymous Retreats

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
hmmm if anon is actually cia then why mess with one of the cia's and shadow gov's cash cows.

remove the middle man?

It is only about money. After Assange whined about losing up to 95% of their donated revenue, Anonymous decided to stop posting classified files. Because the mean banks and corporations are attacking them.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Then they go on a rampage against some child porn sites (actually a very good thing) but why not all of the child porn sites. Because it's really not about getting rid of child porn. Doesn't that go against their main theme of freedom of the internet? Or are they the only group who can police the net?

Then only 'after' one of their members is kidnapped they claim to be attacking a cartel. But I guess they've backed away from that one too. I wonder why they didn't get upset about all the other hostages. Don't they matter?

In order to get the money rolling back in they have to make it appear as though they are doing some good. It's all about staying in the headlines.

I don't believe the cartel is very forgiving and will get access to the anonymous members already jailed. Maybe the all members jailed aren't part of the core group, but what if one is? I wonder how anonymous will react when the blood can't be wiped off their hands this time? My guess is, they will still blame it on someone else.

Of course Assange may be sitting in a Swedish jail cell pretty soon. I wonder if he is thinking about a visit from the cartel?

reply to post by alien


Are you saying americans should let tyranny prevail because of fear?

Yes or no?

What are you trying to say? Let corporate greed prevail because they can kill/hurt you?


What are you trying to say here? Let tyrants reign so that we can eat cheerios next morning?

This isn't about a drug cartel. This is about the american covert agencies playing sockpuppet games with people pretending to be internet users or random hackers.

Everyone knows CIAnon is a covert cia shill.

Whether or not Anonymous actually follows through with their plans is irrelevant. What is relevant is that a group of people are fed up with their Governments' failed "War on Drugs", and are taking matters into their own hands. The old adage "the pen in mightier than the sword" has never been more true.

The validity of the data and information they have is also irrelevant. Perhaps none of the data is able to be verified. Perhaps some innocent people will be hurt. Perhaps their sources are themselves corrupt. Perhaps their data contains false positive. None of that really matters. The underlying point is that "the faceless masses" are fed up.

I support Anonymous and their general political stance. I support the OWS movement, and their underlying ethical motivation. So their execution has been poor at times. So they are "armchair warriors". So what. If that is all a person bases their opinion off of, they are short sighted, and probably not intellectual enough to understand the underlying motivations.

As to the notion that Anonymous is a CIA run organization, that may or may not be true. It may be partially true. I wouldn't doubt that agents have infiltrated the "ranks" of the Anonymous "organization" (which is a misnomer, considering the very nature of Anonymous), but to say that the entire operation itself is a CIA operation, is a bit of a stretch, and complete hearsay.

reply to post by inivux


What if a few anon members get butchered?

What then?

Score one for nwo fearganda.

Hello all, I am new here. This is my second post, so take it for what it is, just speculation. I like to read through all the different threads that interest me, and Anon really interests me! The problem with a group that remains in hiding, is that anyone can come along and claim credit for what someone else is doing. Through the evolution of Anon's video's I have noticed certain things that stand out as weird, suspicious.

First, when did Anon start using a live narator in their video's. The guy with the mask was the first thing that stood out as hinky to me, especially the Mexican video's. The man reading Anon's message looks like something straight out of an Osama Bin Laden video, hunched over his peice of paper, heralding the destruction of this and of that. Visually it feels wrong to me.

Two-If I was Anonymous, I would not want to be in front of a camera, even with a mask on. The man in the video's hands are exposed, his ears, and hair line, his body size. His finger tips regularly face the veiwer. Maybe I am wrong, but with technology the way it is, a scan can easily pull a match of someone's fingertips, of a picture, with HD, and other clear ways to digitally zoom in on certain areas. When did Anonymous decide to move away from their original game plan, of just a computer voice and a message, maybe some video playing in the background?

Three-Has anyone noticed the different computer voices on the different videos? Some of the videos I find sketchy have a different ressonance or tone to them. This video speciffically call Los Zetas assholes. Sounds like the people behind the video are looking for a fight.

Four-Location specifics. Each city named. Every cab driver, journalist et all... How does a computer hacker come by this information. Mexico is very poor. There is not a computer in every home. Drug Cartels, if they keep records, do not keep informant information on a table in their kitchens, with all their illegal activity plugged into the internet. Ever see the movie Malcome X? West Indian Archy kept all his information in his head, when he ran the numbers. That was so there would be no paper trail leading back.

There is more, just want to know what you guys think.

What I believe is going on, and it is just a theory that came to me in a flash, while watching the video on the first page. What if Anonymous is really just a group of hackers fed up with the bull (unlike what some people are saying about them being CIA or FBI) the real Anonymous. And what if TPTB can't find out who they are (this part of my theory is a little shakey). Or what if they do know who they are, but do not want to prosecute them, becuase they may have contingencies in place that will release something really shocking (also shakey). I believe the latter to be what is going on. The smear campaign against Anonymous on channels like Fox News makes me believe that, the lies about the group being a terrorist organization, follow the 25 rules of misinfo.

And what are one of those rules, when you cannot keep a lid on a secret, you have to illiminate the sorce, make it dissapear.

So, here we go, my completely unsupported theory I peiced together. What if the people behind the video above, are pretending they are Anonymous, trying to insight a psychopathic group like Los Zetas. So the Zetas, with their vast resources, hitmen, regular people with their ears on the streets, will find them, out of anger from the threat this video is, and go in, quietly, and kill the poor kids or whoever is behind Anon. Anon, would cease to exist, and a fake, more public anon would emerge.

And the blood would be on the Zetas hands.

What do you think? Please respond!