Entire West Coast Hit Hard by Radiation!! Fukushima

this seems to be a really normal news right now. a bit of radiation or radioactive particles is not life threatening or whatever.

on the Fukushima disaster, no one seems to be bother by it at all, life just goes on in Japan.

reply to post by CherubBaby


None of this matters much when it comes to daily life..... i say 'put those energy bills up... put those rents up... put taxes up... put everything up.... '

he! he! he! he!

Depopulation on a planetary scale. While they make a killing on the cancer medication (pun intended)
Killing multiple birds with one stone (pun intended) seem like the kind of Modus operandi of TPTB.

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Great post, thanks for the info. S& .....Agree with all who point out that the real impacts won't be seen for years and decades - it's not about fatalities, it's about NCD's and chronic disease, including cancer. Our rough ride is getting rougher.

This is no surprise to me, and the radiation has been in the US and the Western Hemisphere long before Fukushima went into critical mode. Some have mentioned the nuclear bomb tests, but just think about all the leakage that has occurred at power plants, industrial sites around the US, exposure in the workplace, and all the improper storage of nuclear materials. Here are some examples, but there are many more.

Suffering Endures for 'Radium Girls' who painted watches in the '20s

"They wanted the whole thing done with -- just gone," says Looney's niece, Darlene Halm of Ottawa, recounting the story her mother told her. "It was like a big cover-up."

Halm goes so far as to blame radium for a heightened rate of cancer around some of the Superfund sites.

"When I think back, I can say, 'This one died of cancer. That one died of cancer. That one died of cancer,' " she says. That includes her parents, who -- coincidentally or not -- lived much of their lives in a house a stone's throw from the old Radium Dial.

A 1997 study at Northern Illinois University documented an above-average cancer rate. But no follow-up search for a direct link has begun, in part due to lack of money and staff. "And, frankly, the community is not screaming," says Ruth Anne Tobias, the researcher who oversaw the 1997 study.

Suit Says Thorium Caused Blood Disease

In addition to cases involving state, federal and local governments over the storage and transport of the waste and its disposal, several people have taken the company to court.

In 1986, the niece of U.S. Rep. Harris Fawell (R-Ill.) sued Kerr-McGee, alleging she had developed cancer of the lymph system because of radioactive waste dumped on land where her parents` home was located.

And in January, West Chicago homeowner Joe Macias filed a class-action lawsuit saying the chemical company had not lived up to a 1990 agreement to remove radioactive dirt from Macias` land. The suit said the family`s health was threatened and the value of their property decreased.

Downwinders

In a report by the National Cancer Institute, released in 1997, it was determined that the nearly ninety atmospheric tests at the Nevada Test Site (NTS) left high levels of radioactive iodine-131 (5.5 exabecquerels) across a large area of the continental United States, especially in the years 1952, 1953, 1955, and 1957. The National Cancer Institute report estimates that doses received in these years are estimated to be large enough to produce 10,000 to 75,000 additional cases of thyroid cancer in the U.S.[7] Another report, published by the Scientific Research Society, estimates that about 22,000 additional radiation-related cancers and 2,000 additional deaths from radiation-related leukemia are expected to occur in the United States because of external and internal radiation from both NTS and global fallout.

Those are some incidents of the public facing exposure to large amounts of radiation. This stuff has been going on for years, and all there has been about it is the sound of crickets. Now all of sudden there is a furor about being exposed to high doses of radiation caused by Fukushima? A call to accountability is commendable and warranted about this most recent incident.

However, where was those calls years and years ago? No one was complaining when their homes were getting electricity and heat by nuclear power? I suppose the ill affects associated with it where out of sight and out of mind? There are a few of us who care about this, but there far to many who have no idea the risks to public health that have knowingly been put forth on the public by government and large corporations since the dawn of the industrial revolution and the discovery of atom.

As for the case of atomic energy, I have always thought that when something sounds to good to be true it probably isn't. We have been told that atomic energy would unlock the mysteries of the universe, provide a massive abundance of energy, and offer a buffer to global warfare on the scale of World War II. Part of it is true. On other hand, when utilizing the awesome power of atomic energy it also leaves behind an unwanted house guest in the form dangerous radioactivity.

Now, all hell breaks loose and people are in a frenzy? Fukushima and other nuclear related incidents could have been avoided through due diligence by the public and the government, and at the same time while maintaining the use of nuclear power in a safe and reliable manner. That was left to chance and we are suffering the brunt of it. All I am saying is, we have been exposed to this silent and invisible killer for years and not a peep about it by anyone except a small few.

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Thanks again CherubBaby for your thread...........Everyone needs to see Loams thread HERE concerning what Fairewinds & Associates will be informing Washington.......

Its NOT GOOD!!

In reply to TinkerHaus:

Can you get a "new" new water sample, taken in 2011 for comparison? Just curious.

My warning... to those who had a chance to read it.... posted on Aug 7, 2011 (at bottom of page 3)

Most people didn't hear, I suspect.... that the Fukushima plant experienced a nuclear meltdown. You didn't know about it, because it was mostly covered up:

The Telegraph, UK link

Fukushima Nuclear Meltdown Confirmed

... and they still haven't gotten to the bottom of it... literally. Who knows where it's melting to? I suspect that unless something changes drastically... through the crust and to the core of the earth.

Originally posted by Gridrebel
In reply to TinkerHaus:

Can you get a "new" new water sample, taken in 2011 for comparison? Just curious.

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I am waiting for the water management company to release it.

I get water samples for other reasons, about twice a year, but I cannot afford to have them tested for radiation. The place I send samples for general quality and mineral content charges about $200 to test for radiation. If someone knows of a less expensive resource I'm all ears.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by SalientSkivvy

 

LOL, really?
You actually packed up and moved away from the west coast, because of Fukishima?
Apparently a few of us have managed to survive, despite being "Hit Hard by Radiation" .

Personally, ima gonna wait until someone in Japan dies before I even start looking for a new home.

You need to understand how radiation works. No offense, but you obviously don't.

I'm just going to give you some loose details, you can ignore or verify as you see fit.

If the West Coast is being "hit hard" with radiation you will not see the effects immediately. It's not like people are going to start dropping like flies, even in Japan where levels are much higher.

Instead, a percentage of the population will be effected. We might not see the effects for 20+ years. Some people will avoid hot particles and it will not be a concern. Some people will absorb hot particles but will be less sensitive to radiation and will live a normal life - but their offspring may be adversely effected. Some people are very sensitive and will start getting cancers and thyroid problems.

You cannot gauge the level of impact by what you are seeing today. You might have a moderate dose of Caesium floating around in you right now. When you get cancer in 20 years, (God forbid), or you have a child with deformities/learning disabilities/massive allergies/etc, you might think back to Fukushima as the reason why, but you will not be able to prove it at that point.

Even if you are fine today you may have been exposed. It would take a massive dose to start killing people off immediately. Well, like arsenic, radiation is accumulative. The more exposure you have over time the more it effects you, unlike other substances that we slowly build up resistance to.

One thing to keep in mind is that Fukushima is still spewing hot particles. On top of this, the precipitation cycle insures that the radiation that was supposedly absorbed into the Pacific will continue to move through the environment in weather cycles. Rain coming off the Pacific is going to be unhealthy for a long, long time. As you should know, radiation doesn't go away.. So "background" levels are going to continue to increase in the Western US and Canada for quite some time.

I know it's easier to just pretend everything is hunky-dory, because you aren't seeing any immediate effects.. I wish you were right but you're not. This isn't something we can fully measure and understand based on the effects we're seeing today - We will not know how bad Fukushima was for a couple of decades. If you choose to remain on the West Coast where radiation continues to fall with the weather, that is your choice, but please don't insult our intelligence or choices to protect ourselves and our families based on your lack of understanding.

--Peace

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You might be interested in this thread that I started about that exact issue....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Danno

reply to post by TinkerHaus


In fact, I do understand how radiation works, just a little bit.
But let's put that on the back burner.
Ok so folks are not dying in Japan, there have been a casualty or two.
Maybe these folks did not even die due to radiation.
We had the Fukishima 50 in the goo at ground zero, how are they doing?
I understand that some effects will not be seen immediately.
Let's go back 70ish years to Japan, they got bombed for one reason or another.
How are they doing since?
Yep, they're still ticking.
Sure a couple of kids were born with 2 heads or 4 stomachs or whatever.
The human race persists.
Sure I think environment offenders should be held accountable for crimes.
But why should I worry all the way over here, if they don't over there?
If I really wanted to point out something, I wonder if there are any nuclear reactors out at sea that might have as a course of normal routine, dumped their heavy water in the sea.
If something like that ever happened, would it be a bad thing?
There are much bigger and badder killers out there that you should worry about.
Not the kind of thing that "might" contribute to your death in 50 years but drone commanding psychopathetic elected officials, they are an immediate hazard.
I'm not worried about cancer right now, why should I worry about it 50 years from now?
I do "live" a happy life, I'm comfortable and fat.
I have something to live for, therefore I do.
So, please live abit and don't sweat the boogie man.
Hope it helps

S&F for you OP.

Thank you for bringing this to light. While I agree with Pred that we need to take the "enthusiasm" of certain sites into consideration when looking for information, having both sides of the story allows us to find the middle ground where the truth lies. And with radiation, the middle ground is still not really a good place to be.

Danno

reply to post by g146541


If it were only a few cases of cancer or thyroid problems that is bad enough, but it isn't. It's the whole ecosystem that suffers. The coral reefs, sea life and so it goes, down the line. You are not the only living being on this planet. The callousness of your naivety is a bit sad.

As I see it I go with the USA (our own government) hasn't exactly been forthcoming...do you think our government didn't know this they monitor everything for God's sake.

The Leaders are all guilty they knew and didn't do a thing!

Originally posted by Gridrebel
reply to post by g146541

 

You are not the only living being on this planet.

You are correct!
And it will be that way for a long long time.
We will continue to live, some in fear others terrified of anything posted on the web.
Are eco terrorists bad?
Sure they are but the damage has already been done.
From here it is our job to make the offenders pay, and to live our lives.
Sad news is, they will never pay and some folks will continue to jump at every shadow.
Hope it helps

I think we've all gotten a dose of radiation... Coverup, it's what this Government is good at, and since there won't be any immediate issues or results, why alert the public about it? Why cause undue panic, when there is no immediate and direct result... lol

You'll never know what's happening behind the scenes unless it is just so overwhelmingly immpossible to cover it up or hide it that you just have to stand there and watch and respond, like 9-11. If the Government could have covered it up or hidden it from the public in anyway they would have done so, but it was too widespread and too amazing to hide... heh

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We know that for sure. Japan never likes to admit failure, the they never will unless they have no choice.

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by CherubBaby

 

While this news does not surprise me in the least -- as over on the big Japan thread we were talking about just this matter months ago -- I'd be interested to hear your own opinions and/or observations on this. After all, you started the thread so it would be good to know what your perspective on this is. (EDIT: I suspect you are not impressed. Just like to see what you have to say.)

Mine is that if we consider how the Japanese authorities have dithered and dallied in informing their own people of the extent of contamination there, it seems unlikely to me that we can expect much better from other countries -- and I don't just mean the US, either.

I would be interested to know how many formerly healthy ATS members have recently been diagnosed with thyroid disorders and approximately where they live. ("Recently" meaning after March of this year and perhaps only in the past couple of months.) Can almost bet there will be more than a couple.

Mike

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I live on the CA/Or border on the coast. Over the last 3 weeks...I have developed a fever of about 100 never goes away, extreme pain in the thyroid gland, pain in the glands of my neck, headache that never goes away, eye pain, tiredness and weakness. I at the moment have not had the $$ for Drs and tests. A few days ago I tried a self help remedy using salt and became much sicker but the next day the thyroid pain was pretty much gone. All other symptoms remain.

I was in los angeles when fukushima happened. in NYC at the moment, but going back. I recommend spirulina and chlorella daily, pretty much from now on. here's a link explaining why..www.chlorellafactor.com...

Originally posted by MarkJS
Most people didn't hear, I suspect.... that the Fukushima plant experienced a nuclear meltdown. You didn't know about it, because it was mostly covered up:

It was widespread common knowledge. Maybe you were hiding in a cave at the time?

As was the fact that small amounts of radiation (quite higher then normal levels but still not as serious as an x-ray on your teeth) reached the US west coast in March.

This thread is VERY OLD news.