OWS and the Baby Kitten Defense

reply to post by TheWalkingFox
Does it bother you that much because I'm right and you and your little band are outed?

Did I strike a nerve in making this thread because you'll have to come up with some other way to shove your ideologies down peoples throat?

My mother?



Where did you pick up your debating skills? Prison?

reply to post by beezzer


It is a most tragic waste. A winnable election will be thrown away on an ideological adventure. For three years, Republican activists have lived in a fantasy world in which fringe characters like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain somehow "speak for the common sense of the common people." It seems incredible that anybody could believe such a thing. It seems crazy that anyone would actually need a presidential election to disabuse them of such notions. But as Benjamin Franklin said: "Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other."

Good luck with your bad self!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


With you it is the same BS pitched day in and day out.

Tea Party=Bad
OWS=Good.
Conservatives might as well drink the blood of the poor and weak, and Liberals such as yourself are self proclaimed Mother Theresa running around healing the sick and feeding the hunger, fueled only by good intentions and a never ending Govt budget.

OWS is not the entirety of the US, not by a long shot.
The US is not predominantly Liberal, nor Conservative.
Yet, it seems that the Tea Party had more in Numbers then OWS, less clashes with the police and less reports of criminal behavior and such.

2 sides to the same coin you say?

That is bullcrap.

reply to post by macman


"I am a Liberal, and I am a devout Liberal. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Government. I believe that that government gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Government set by stealing from the evil rich and feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church of government' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Government in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." Liberal prayer 2011

Who can argue with that

Another question to you all, friends and foes alike.

It is clear that my cute baby kitten defense (trademarked Disney Inc.) has riled some. I've even entertained some positive (baby kitten) ideas that OWS has.

But something has just occurred to me. This from another thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=12697943#pid12697943

Unions supply millions of dollars each year to sway politicians to vote a certain way.
OWS is against bankers and CEO's for doing the same thing.

Why is it okay in one aspect, but wrong in another?

Could it be that OWS has a political agenda and doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds them?

reply to post by beezzer


In my opinion the fictitious vilian Wall Street is to stack the deck in favor of the Democrats while Unions continue to pump billions and buy off politicians.

Look at any Democratic Congressman and there you will see a union but with the addition of Corporate sponsors the left has three means of raising capital for their elections the people,unions and corporations.

Conversely the Republicans have the people and the corporations they already hold the advantage but there comes in that one word "greed".

They want to make sure to Destroy the right and that is what OWS is all about.

reply to post by neo96
Is this the deep dark secret of the OWS movement then?

Protect the unions for doing the same thing that CEO's do.

Neo, I think we've found the 900 pound gorilla behind the cute fluffy kitten.

Oh, I think Wall Street has a lot to answer for, as do the unions....and the politicians.

I know, I know - that is thinking way outside the box but unless all these issues are addressed, your never going to see any significant change.

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There is plenty of greed on both sides, but from experience witnessing the rhetoric that both sides love to play on, nothing is going to change.

I can see the Tea Party starting up again for the 2012 election, and more then likely going to get a Republican President - and nothing will really happen - perhaps a little less money will be spent on social programs, a little more on defense.

I in all honestly hope this illusion of a working economic system falls apart, and only then will both sides be able to see the light.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Oh, I think Wall Street has a lot to answer for, as do the unions....and the politicians.

I know, I know - that is thinking way outside the box but unless all these issues are addressed, your never going to see any significant change.

I'm not putting halo's over Wall Street.

Just trying to be. . . . wait for it. . . . . .

Fair and balanced.
(oh that's going to irritate some folks)

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Oh, I think Wall Street has a lot to answer for, as do the unions....and the politicians.

I know, I know - that is thinking way outside the box but unless all these issues are addressed, your never going to see any significant change.

I'm not putting halo's over Wall Street.

Just trying to be. . . . wait for it. . . . . .

Fair and balanced.

(oh that's going to irritate some folks)

I can see where you are coming from, and are attempting to get the Liberal minded folk to see both sides of the story....I have tried time and time again to do so, but I find pulling teeth easier.

I feel that aspects of the Tea Party and the OWS combined would go far in solving some of the problems we are facing today.

BIG EDIT:

except for the socialism parts of OWS, Not on my watch.

reply to post by MidnightTide
Truth!

But that leads back to the question. . . . why didn't the OWS folks join the Tea Party?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Truth!

But that leads back to the question. . . . why didn't the OWS folks join the Tea Party?

For the most part, because of pride - sticking with the party line. Democrats stick with Democrats, been sold that the Tea Party is racist and doesn't care about anyone but themselves. (I have also seen many conservatives unable to see anything positive about OWS, just because they are left of center)

Also, because I feel there is a root aspect of OWS that wants socialism. Ideals taught when they were kids, ideals that are nice on paper, but don't work in the real world. All in my opinion of course.

I dont think they know what they wont.

But they are waking people up!
it will take time. people are sick of the way things are.
it is Not a simple thing to change the way things are.

you need to stop the rich using the Peoples money!
there needs to be defences in place to stop people getting rip't off.
By the banks, spam, adverts, plumber and all kinds of thing.
sounds silly? but it needs to be don.

there are add people who can get a eskimo to by ice.
and the built if life limiting of things people buy.

computers are one of the biggest scams.
you Have to keep spending money to keep your computer going.
ever thing is a scam. it needs to stop.

the only other thing that grows like the Economy is cancer.
there needs to be balance. and most of it needs to be localy.

Oh wow, I have read up to page four of this fiasco expecting pictures of a cute baby kittenzz, OK OK I didn't read it, more like skimmed it....And I have to say I am sorely disappointed, so far nothing has been cute, and worse, no dam kittenzz.....Alas on what page are the kitties at? ....Because I ain't reading all this #.

reply to post by beezzer


Yeah.. but you are spreading hate for the OWS movement before knowing 100 percent that you can't identify with them. The only info you have to go on is what the news has handed you. I thought you might be opening your mind which is why I explained what it is really about and suggested you really go down to one of the protests.
I am a libertarian. I am a Ron Paul supporter. I however also support OWS. I've helped organize the one started in my town. I have spoken to the local media on their behalf. I am educating people on what the real goal is and I put in at least 10 to 15 hours a week on the street holding a sign and educating. I would be there more, but I work full time and have a girlfriend, work at home, etc.

You should find out for yourself before hating with the rest of them.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Does it bother you that much because I'm right and you and your little band are outed?

Did I strike a nerve in making this thread because you'll have to come up with some other way to shove your ideologies down peoples throat?

My mother?

Where did you pick up your debating skills? Prison?

Just ignore him. He and another member were trolling a thread I made earlier today to try to present a logical case for the free market. There's no reasoning with these ideologues; they simply won't have any of it. What they fail to see is that they're just about as close-minded as some of their republican/neocon counterparts.

As for OWS: all I hear on this site is all this talk about how the OWS-ers "understand" that the government is the problem. And yet I don't see any of them in DC...oh wait they are there:

Occupy DC

Aaaaaaannnnnddd fail. They're spouting the same nonsense as the OWS protesters. It's actually very disheartening to see such energy so misdirected.

reply to post by CaptainIraq


You guys have to understand that OWS isn't for Obama. Just Dems are trying to hijack it the same way Republicans did with the Tea Party. The same exact thing happened at the OWS protest I have participated in.
It was completely non partisan, yet this guy showed up at the general assembly and started talking over people and had a very pro democratic pro obama stance. The OWS protestors here ran him out. He was trying to turn us into a non profit and promote Obama. He has been cut out and has not been to one protest or general assembly since. We have been and are staying non partisan.

We need conservatives to come and help us out. Instead of bashing the movement come and help us keep it non partisan! Don't buy the media lies. We don't want Obama. We need libertarians and republicans down there on the street.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Good; that's how it should be! Unfortunately I still think you make up the minority, but you should seriously try to garner some support to head down to Occupy DC (if it's feasible depending on your location), and try to reason with them. They might be in the right place, but it seems like they still haven't identified the true threat.

The Tea Party wasn't really "protesting" anything. They were angry that a Democrat was in the white house (and in many cases, even angrier that he was a black man to boot). And... that made up the bulk of it, really. There was some "I want poor people to suffer more" schadenfreude along with "shoot more illegals" rhetoric, but mostly it was "I hate the new president." Since these are platforms that are completely sympathetic to the modern Republican party, it was pretty easy to just herd these guys into going Republican, and voting for men and women who are, without any doubt, the worst clump of legislators our nation has seen.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


No. Wrong. I was a part of the early Tea Party movement, and we most definitely were protesting something real. OUR tax dollars had just been used to bail out Wall Street, and there were MANY MORE plans in store for our tax dollars.

Believe it or not, early Tea Party protestors were all about tax dollars being misused. AND, we agree with the OWS movement that the bailouts NEVER should have occurred.

Unfortunately, Pelosi called us "astroturf". The media called us "racist". Neither was accurate. The message got lost in all of the inaccuracies being tossed about. What's ironic, is that the OWS people are INCENSED about how the "message" is being corrupted, or the "movement" is being misrepresented. WELCOME TO THE CLUB. Been there, experienced that.

We were not huge Obama fans, but is really isn't because of his race. I know it is so simple to put Obama up as a scapegoat and say it is because he is a black man, but really, it isn't. We don't like him because of his politics. Get over the race thing.

I really wish he was white. Is it because I hate the black man? No, it's because then I could dislike him and you couldn't call me racist for it. I also don't like Barney Frank (and it is not because he is gay) or Nancy Pelosi (and it is not because she is a woman). What do they all have in common???? Their POLITICS. But just saying that, to some I am a racist homophobic anti-feminist.

Why can't we just hate their POLITICS?????

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


I wish conservatives, tea party members, and GOP members would realize that and join in the OWS protests. Be the other half. Stand beside the OWS protestors and protest the government side of this team of corruption. That is what I have been doing. I am one person and I have one entire OWS protest awake to the fact that it is the government and Wall St. together that have made the problems.

The Tea Party and conservatives are now guilty of the same thing. They have bought every negative thing the news has said about OWS even though a few months ago they were experiencing it for themselves. If anyone should know better it should be the Tea Party. They should have been the first conservatives to join OWS and make sure everyone is equally represented in this, in actuality, non partisan movement. As I said earlier, the protest here has already gotten rid of one guy trying to hijack the movement for Obama (no exaggeration, I was there, I saw him), and we are a small town, imagine how many people are doing that at the big protests! When the T.P. were being called racists and etc on the news they hated it, but when they are shown a homeless guy squatting on a cop car, or hippies and socialists by the same media that criticized them they buy it! It's blowing my mind. We need you guys out there. The protest in my town can't be the only one that has the right idea, we can't be alone in being non/anti- partisan.