Your Thoughts About The 1,000 Year Reign?

reply to post by Lazarus Short


So you seem to think that the denial of those 3 CHRISTIAN ideas is being the work of those 3 unclean spirits like frogs written about in revelation.

Fine. Revelations says that these unclean spirits came out of the mouth of the false prophet. So it means the false prophet has already come. Fine. So who is it? and who is the beast?

reply to post by hisbaby728


I like what you've said, except for the plug for JVI. I used to love reading him and listening to his show, however, there are better end-times prophetic teachers out there to listen to. I.E. Dr. Chuck Missler, Perry Stone Jr.. JVI still holds to the antiquated notion that the antichrist will come from Western Europe and not the Middle East.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


I was just posing the question. We shall see who/what the Beast and False Prophet are/will be.

Originally posted by iNkGeEk
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I am right with you all everything you've said so far.

My question is tho...Judaism denies those 3 things and in the Torah (old testament) they were/are considered God's Chosen people. So are you suggesting that sometime after Jesus' arrival and His sacrifice, Judaism became a false religion?

Well, what does the Father say to the Son in Revelation about those practicing Judaism and rejecting their ultimate sacrifice?

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." ~ Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.

Who did Christ tell the Jewish authorities that their father was? (John 8:44)

Originally posted by angellicview
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." ~ Galatians 1:8

I think that was interjected by man. Just sayin'

The entire Bible was penned by men, moot point.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

"False teaching and doctrines", only from a christian perspective.

Well, duh, that's the perspective the OP is based upon.

But Jesus' words vindicates Islam from your accusation that it is "satanic".

Only if you presuppose that satan's primary goal is to get people to like him. If satan's primary goal is to get people to deny their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then Islam certainly is satanic. As well as Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, et cetra.

Like I said. satan wants your soul in hell, he could care less if you enter hell's gates as his friend or his enemy, you're still there in hell nonetheless.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


This is a very interesting Scripture, which I have noticed almost all Bible commentators will avoid like the plague. A key to deeper understanding is "...which say they are Jews and are not...". It makes sense to me that if we find a group of people who claim to be Jews [the tribe of Judah] but can be proven to be another people entirely, then we have found the Synagogue of Satan. The Eastern European Jews fill this role perfectly, being descendants of Japheth, whose ancestors were never in Palestine.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

This is a very interesting Scripture, which I have noticed almost all Bible commentators will avoid like the plague. A key to deeper understanding is "...which say they are Jews and are not...". It makes sense to me that if we find a group of people who claim to be Jews [the tribe of Judah] but can be proven to be another people entirely, then we have found the Synagogue of Satan. The Eastern European Jews fill this role perfectly, being descendants of Japheth, whose ancestors were never in Palestine.

I'm not sure the verse is talking about race. Paul says that in Christ we are no longer Jew nor Gentile, male nor female. I believe these passages are referring to Judaism, since Judaism uses the term "synagogue".

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Only if you presuppose that satan's primary goal is to get people to like him.

You presupposed that that Islam is satanic in origin just because it is not the same as what you believe in.

I simply pointed out that according to Jesus' words in the bible, islam cannot be satanic in origin for the simple reason that Islam is against satan... regardless of other christian doctrines that Islam rejects.

If satan's primary goal is to get people to deny their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then Islam certainly is satanic. As well as Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, et cetra.

"If satan's primary goal is to get people to deny their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"

If that were to be true. then it means he was on "stand-by mode" till Jesus came into this world.
Does not make any sense.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

I simply pointed out that according to Jesus' words in the bible, islam cannot be satanic in origin for the simple reason that Islam is against satan... regardless of other christian doctrines that Islam rejects.

What makes you believe satan's primary mission s to get people to like him? Where do you get this idea from? satan means "ADVERSARY". That's who he is and what his goals are, to lead men away from the truth and to oppose God in all His plans and soverign will.

I'll say it again, hopefully it'll sink in...

Satan doesn't care if you end up in hell as his friend or his enemy, he wins by default because you are IN HELL.

If that were to be true. then it means he was on "stand-by mode" till Jesus came into this world.
Does not make any sense.

Hmm, It's the Christian position that Jesus has always been Lord, Jesus is the one who created satan in the first place.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

What makes you believe satan's primary mission s to get people to like him?

What makes you think Satans primary goal is to "get people to deny their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ," as you said earlier? Where in the bible does it say that? Is that based off an actual verse, or is it your personal interpretation? This is what I would like to know.

satan means "ADVERSARY". That's who he is and what his goals are, to lead men away from the truth and to oppose God in all His plans and soverign will.

Yeah, I know.
Islam also teaches the same exact thing. That satan will try and lead "lead men away from the truth and to oppose God in all His plans and soverign will"

So what about it?

I'll say it again, hopefully it'll sink in...
Satan doesn't care if you end up in hell as his friend or his enemy, he wins by default because you are IN HELL.

So tell me, how exactly was Satan leading people to hell BEFORE the New Testament came into being?
I mean, no NT = no denying of those 3 things you wrote about earlier.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Hmm, It's the Christian position that Jesus has always been Lord, Jesus is the one who created satan in the first place.

What does that mean, Lord, and where do you get that he always has been Lord?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


We're just going in circles. How about this, I'll just agree with Muhammad's initial reaction to the entity he encountered in the cave.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Hmm, It's the Christian position that Jesus has always been Lord, Jesus is the one who created satan in the first place.

What does that mean, Lord, and where do you get that he always has been Lord?

You can look up the definition of "Lord". And as far as Christ creating satan:

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." ~ John

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" ~ Paul

reply to post by NOTurTypical

We're just going in circles.

If we are going about in circles, its because you insist that Islam is satans work, while ignoring the words of Jesus in the bible...that Satan will not stand against himself... which I keep bringing up.
Nevermind.

How about this, I'll just agree with Muhammad's initial reaction to the entity he encountered in the cave.

Fine.
Mohammad was afraid when he encountered the angel.
So was Mary, when she encountered the angel. Why else did the angel tell Mary "Do not be afraid."?

So then, Are we to conclude that Mary saw the same fearsome angel that Mohammad would see?


or will you now say that the angel that Mary saw was "good" just because its in the bible?
Please... lets be objective in these discussions from now on...

To: JHill76....
Thank you for your reply... I appreciate your remarks.

To: NOTur TYPICAL...
Thank you for your response as well. I'm sorry you felt as if I was plugging JVI, that was not actually my intent but I do think he really knows his stuff and I enjoy learning from him and I also check out what he says. Personally, I like the way they show newspaper headlines / stories that backs up biblical prophecy. I understand your point about his opinion about Europe vs Middle East but I pose this question to you. I have heard him say that the anti-christ will arise out of the European Union, but I don't think that doesn't mean that that person couldn't be of Middle Eastern decent. Not saying that Obama is the anti-christ but let's just use him as an example: If he went into the European Union or became the leader of the EU... he would come out of the EU but because of his father being from Kenya... that would qualify as being from the Middle East. Like I said... just an example to explain my point.

I am sure there are other good prophetical teachers / preachers (my father being one of them) out there and I must confess I haven't heard of the ones that you mentioned but I will look them up.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

You can look up the definition of "Lord".

I don't care about a dictionary definition of, Lord, I want to know what you meant by it in your post when you said it is "accepted by Christians that Jesus has always been Lord". You like to appeal to your being in the majority as concerning an opinion, in lieu of an argument. If this is the bases of your evidence, then for it to be valid, you need to site a statistical analysis indicating that much of your argument (that you hold to the majority opinion) is indeed fact.

And as far as Christ creating satan:
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." ~ John

This was talking about, The Word. You have to jump through a few hoops of pseudo-logic to arrive at an equation with Jesus.

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" ~ Paul

This does not mean that Jesus was Lord back when everything was created. The Young's Literal Translation renders the first clause in Colossians 1: 16 as: "because in him were the all things created,"
The word in the Greek text is, ἐν, transliterated, in. The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Frederick William Danker gives one definition as, case).-5. used to mark causality or reason for someth. because of, on account of Mt 6:7; J 16:30; Ro 1:24a;

Matthew 6:7
NRSV "When you are praying, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard because of their many words.

John 16:30
NRSV Now we know that you know all things, and do not need to have anyone question you; by this we believe that you came from God."

Romans 1:24a
NRSV Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity,

So there is no mention in the verse you quoted from Colossians, to there being a lordship in place at the time of creation, for Jesus. There is also no denotative sense of there being a direct action taking place by his being a sitting master.
In the end part of the verse you quoted from Colossians, "all things were created by him, and for him:", there is the word, διά, transliterated, dia. The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament gives one definition, "-b. causally because (of), for the sake of Mt 6:25; Mk 2:4; Ac 10:21;"

Matthew 6
. . .You cannot serve God and money. 25 Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink, or about your body, what you will wear. . .

Mark 2:4
When they were not able to bring him in because of the crowd, they removed the roof above Jesus. Then, after tearing it out, they lowered the stretcher the paralytic was lying on.

Acts 10:21
NRSV So Peter went down to the men and said, "I am the one you are looking for; what is the reason for your coming?"

So you present no evidence to support your assertion that it is a given that Christians believe that Jesus has always been Lord, and so, created Satan.

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