Japanese University Detects Atmospheric Precursor To 2011 Megaquake

Here are a couple of links to other papers that have established a link between the ionosphere and earthquakes in a field of science called seismicelectromagnitism.

Principle Component Analysis was able to discriminate clear ionospheric total electron content anomalies in the months when all 18 earthquakes occurred, and such anomalies existed earlier than this 5-day statistical window

downloads.hindawi.com/journals/ijgp/2011/763527.pdf

The main and probably most important conclusion lies in the fact that the level of our present knowledge of ionospheric precursors of earthquake permits us to use them already in short term earthquake prediction

tao.cgu.org.tw...

Something is going on and trust is in very short supply these days.

Here is a thread that has covered quiet a bit of this.
I doubt that anyone here can go through it and obtain any knowledge from it.
Yes,it's a challenge.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=12658702#pid12658702

Originally posted by visualmiscreant
I have never understood why some argue so vehemently against chemtrails, HAARP, etc. It's as if their paycheck depends on it. All they do for real, is make me believe in them all the more. You would think their strategy would be a little different. When I first came to this site, I never even heard of chemtrails and HAARP. It's the nay-sayers that made me a believer. They're too forceful with their arguments, like I said, as if their paycheck depends on it.

Oh well...., so I guess HAARP is responsible for the earthquakes; or was it the chemtrails?

Keep posting, and forget about the trolls... Get your message out, and let them make believers out of everyone...

Ok I'll bite

My issues with HAARPers that 'they' want to blame it for everything under the sun, and yet don't have a scientific, physics or even electronics background to back up their 'magical it musta been HAARP!!!!!!' statements.

It's about like screaming 'God did it because they are all heathens!' Or it "Karma for their actions in X war or situation or it's because they are all Buddhists!" OR "It's because they all eat RICE and Babies!"

I have never seen anyone come up with a valid 'OMG it's HAARP because of this solid and empirically proven evidence that anyone with a basic understanding of physics, math, electronics, can clearly see and duplicate in a laboratory. (Or even with cracking a book open and cross checking number and facts while making sure the formula is correct on their pc.)

Instead, I've always seen it presented as: "It's HAARP! Because HAARP was ON during that time!"
Or it's "HAARP because the SUPER SECRET XPLANE crossed the general orbit of the planet at that time."

Never mind the fact that the HAARP is on pretty much 24/7/365 except when it is down for testing repairs and what not.

As for the space plane, We're talking about a space plane, in orbit, with a mystical power source that lets it transmit a mystical electron/microwave beam or lets it direct an Earth Based beam.... One that would fry it's crew or electronics as soon as it tried to control that 'beam' and reflect that much energy back at a target on the Earth. Not to mention that the size of this mystical power source to send or control the signal would be huge and obvious....

Which again begs the question: How can any nation not notice that much eletromagetic/microwave/ultra low frequency/high powered signal not being directed at them? Or if you want to go the opposite direction, how can some dumb rube in bfe, detect this signal, when high tech nations can not?

Then there is the 'target' that is likely smaller than a 2 ton safe and under 2-223 miles of the Earths surface. Not to mention staying on that target long enough to do anything while traveling at over 250-300 miles per second.... Not to mention doing so without being blatantly obvious and echoing this mystical electronic signal across the sky where it might be intercepted, picked up, recorded and studied. While miles above the Earth.... And NOT set off several wars aimed at the US.

So yeah, I'm highly critical of the HAARPers, because they have yet to come up with empirical, provable laboratory results, that can be replicated. Not to mention that this 'proof' never seems to follow physics in any form outside of 'hand-wav-ium'.

As for contrails being used in any fashion. *Shrug* I think my issue would be, if such chem trails exist, do you think it'd be impossible for someone to get on the ground at a major airport, and get a sample of any 'chem drips after a flight.' If there are chemtrails, it'd not be hard to get proof. So where is it????

To say cloud seeding for weather manipulation, it exists. Dry ice cloud seeding and so on. The scope scale and effort to achieve consistent results, would also be provable simply due to volume of resources needed. But that's my 2$ answer.

The only Harp I'm going to buy, is beer related.

M.

reply to post by wlord


Yes, back before 1935...Tesla with a device that fit in his pocket was able to cause earthquakes.


E Sparling - NY World-Telegram, July, 1935

Tesla tells of "Quake" he induced:

He said, among other things, that he expects to have $100,000,000 within two years, and he revealed that an earthquake which drew police and ambulances to the region of his laboratory at 48 E. Houston St. in 188.7 or 1888 was the result of a little machine he was experimenting with at that time which "you could put in your overcoat pocket."

The bewildered newspapermen pounced upon this as at least one thing they could understand and "the father of modern electricity" told what had happened as follows: -

"I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound.

"I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher.

"Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been down about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium. The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That's all they ever knew about it."

Google Scholarly Articles
Of course, we know HAARP is only for the development of future technology relating to submarines.

Originally posted by Moshpet

As for contrails being used in any fashion. *Shrug* I think my issue would be, if such chem trails exist, do you think it'd be impossible for someone to get on the ground at a major airport, and get a sample of any 'chem drips after a flight.' If there are chemtrails, it'd not be hard to get proof. So where is it????

Throughout the continental US, dozens of tanker and other aircraft are daily applying thousands of gallons of aerosol nano-particulates that serve several objectives, including the purported ability to reflect UV radiation. Similar operations are being conducted in Canada and parts of Europe
www.ft.com...

The write up is by Matthew Andersson, of Indigo Airlines...
which was founded by aviation veteran and University of Chicago graduate Matt Andersson; business executive and Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University alumnus John N. Fenton and McKinsey consultant and MIT PhD Tom Svrcek.

en.wikipedia.org...

Edward Tellers paper: Prospects For Physics-based Modulation Of Global Change
Can Be Found Here:

www.osti.gov.../611779-4sYVNl/webviewable/

Osti.Gov Bridge

And a second paper by Teller here:

www.geoengineeringwatch.org...

Further mentions of Tellers research here:
www.etcgroup.org...

And the concept of the Space Shade can be found here, on Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org...

I have a few questions.

If the increase is 8%, how long before alarms go off, and how often is it monitored?

If there is a way to constantly monitor the atmosphere with a degree of accuracy that will detect such a small increase, then great.

Can they measure it accurately enough to be able to pinpoint the epicenter?

Originally posted by edog11
reply to post by Moshpet

 

I'm sorry to say this since it looks like you have spent a lot of time on it, but your entire post is useless since the energy won't have to travel through our entire planet as you assumed, but rather, it bounces off the ionosphere.


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Ah lets examine that:

An electronic signal bouncing off the surface of the ionosphere, that can't penetrate the Earth's shell is going to trigger an Earth Quake how?

Were still working on the shell state of the Earth. The signal going to common earth ground, (AKA the biggest conductor is the planet itself.) How is this signal/wave/beam/resonating mythical radio-wave supposed to, once again cause matter, any matter to change state? Not to mention make it change state in such a way to provoke an earth quake? An AIMED earth quake mind you?

Electron shift? Adding a positive ion, through miles of dense earth? After propagating through the atmosphere?
Quantum teleportation? They can't get physical matter in a receiver to do more than pick a minor electron, on, off, 1,0 shift. In a Laboratory. Just how is adding a positive charge to a ROCK or Fluid going to make the rock vibrate, especially since the target 'material' is miles under the Earth? Much less the shear fact that the rock is under that 'shell layer.'

It would be like saying: I am going to induce a current at position 40 microns deep at a 10 centimeter point in a 300 foot copper spool of wire, and I am going to do it two states away from a single whip antenna. When science itself says that electrons can only flow on the shell outside of the wire. It simply isn't going to happen. No matter how much power I shove into that transmitter or antenna, I am not going to be able to induce a current or electron flow that some how magically is _not_ going to be on that 'shell' surface of the wire.

Nor is any signal I beam at it not going to do anything but travel along that shell. (Which is in simple terms, is the exterior of the wire.) Yes, at a certain voltage/current I can cause the wire to heat and melt, but that only changes the physical shape of the conductor, (copper/tin/earth etc adnausium.) However even then, it is the surface heating of the shell along the wire that heats up and due to thermal transition of heat causes the wire to melt. It is not that the core that changes its voltage state.

I chose copper as the wire as it is a common element found in the earth, but the same holds true for any other conductor. Only at super cold temperatures does quantum tunneling come in, where electrons can jump that 'weird' boundary and transfer past the shell of a conductor. However, that's under such controlled laboratory conditions using super conductors and the like, that it is a special case. (Not to mention the voltages are damned small.)

Since the Earth is not chilled to those conditions, we have several insulating effects going on as well.

1- The Air itself is only a conductor if charged to excess levels by exceedingly high voltages. We are talking the kind of levels where lighting easily arcs from the ground to the sky, florescent bulbs illuminate without a connected conductor and the like. Aurora Borealis or the Northern Lights are a good indicator of when solar storms generate that kind of power in the upper atmosphere.

2- The Earths own physical dielectric non-conductive shell state. It's the 'ultimate' conductor effect once again, of which you would have to charge a very specific path to the target. While a path can be created for brief (nano moments) the drain of the shell pulls apart the electron path after a very small depth. (We are talking less than a yard in depth.) Then that path is shattered into a vast tree root like structure and dispersed. Examples of where places lightning has erupted from, show a crystallized rock structure. (Cool but irrelevant in any case.)

3- Other paths of reception or interception of signal. Electrons take the path of least resistance. If there is a power pole, antenna, pluming, (water flowing in pipes... water, pools, rivers or streams etc.) structure between the target and the transmitter, the signal is going to follow -that- path.

4- The ionization that the signal bounces off of, too, bleeds off some of the transmitted signal as well. Then there are layers of ionization, which allows signal skipping, where signals travel further than normal. None of which can be controlled by man.

So with all of those factors, there is no way a radio signal is going to propagate deep enough to mystically resonate any fault line. Even if you could pump it down like a lighting bolt or microwave. There simply is not enough power generated under any conditions, man made or otherwise, to do it.

ULF radios are good for submarines, but they are not going to shake the planet.

Have a beer.

M.

reply to post by Moshpet


I appreciate the effort you put in... Short and sweet response:

en.wikipedia.org...

Post

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
I have a few questions.

If the increase is 8%, how long before alarms go off, and how often is it monitored?

If there is a way to constantly monitor the atmosphere with a degree of accuracy that will detect such a small increase, then great.

Can they measure it accurately enough to be able to pinpoint the epicenter?

Great questions! But scientist don't have the answers yet. They only just established that there is a precursor effect. It's going to have to have money and sensors and data collected before we'll get usable tools.

However it likely won't be done in the United States, unless it gets rammed down the House and Senates throat AFTER a tragic major quake. Reactionary politics in a Darwinian self generated economic event.... No one 'there' is smart enough to do precautionary disaster preventive, funded science.

So Japan likely is going to have to do it... and they might because they actually have a clue that earth quakes can destroy everything in Japan, through secondary events. Failing Nuclear Plants will tell you to plan for that sort of thing.

M.

reply to post by burntheships


There are a few versions of that story, one in an empty building, another on a bridge and the version you cited. Some have him smashing it with a hammer, some he just turned it off.

None have been independently verified as true.

Tesla in my mind was a mad genius, I'd give my left testicle for a look at his papers the feds took after he died, but there are a few "stories" floating around about him, this being the most pervasive.

reply to post by Moshpet


It's a common problem in America. We know that preventative care is much cheaper than waiting until something requires medical intervetion, but nobody wants to pay for it, so they end up paying much more in the end. It's one of the reasons I got out of healthcare.

Same thing with science funding, we waste hundreds of billions on nonproblems like global warming and ignore stuff we could actually fix.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
reply to post by Moshpet

 

It's a common problem in America. We know that preventative care is much cheaper than waiting until something requires medical intervetion, but nobody wants to pay for it, so they end up paying much more in the end. It's one of the reasons I got out of healthcare.

Same thing with science funding, we waste hundreds of billions on nonproblems like global warming and ignore stuff we could actually fix.

Well, I would not say global warming isn't real problem. But the scope of it is mind boggling in how much we'd have to change what we do as a world. The question we need to ask in global warming, is how long can we last before it can not be recovered from. Or before we snap in 'alarm' and are forced to do something.

The evidence is in, global warming is a valid threat, and ironically the Koch Brothers funded the scientists that proved the theory as valid.

But that's -another- can of worms.

Drink beer, while we still have seasons that will grow enough wheat for beer. Rather than say our being forced to ration beer production in order to have a food source to eat....

M.

now at some point i'm not much surprised that with a significant 'higher electron count' the whole discussion starts to get owned by HAARP, but ...

Haarp or not Haarp we should be proper and ask for the source of this info first.

i have a problem with this finding, cause i'm still trying to find something about which system has been used to count those electrons.
whatever it was, it was not GPS.
In best case it was some sort of monitoring network just USING GPS for some reason but GPS pinpoints a position to a location and nothing else

so which system has been used to measure these elevated counts ?
can someone point me to that please ?

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
That is intriguing.

I know the HAARP nay-sayers continue to say that HAARP can't do this. (I'm sure one will be along in a minute!

) That being said, it is suspicious to me that the ionosphere heated up just before the quakes started, and the HAARP theorists say that is what HAARP can do.

I'm still on the fence, but this does make me say "hmmmmmm."

Well this just confirms (to me) that HAARP is the culprit. The Ionosphere heating up in a focal area just before the quake...HAARP has this capability, and lets be honest, the US military/administration would do anything to better themselves. Bring Japan down to show the world that trading Oil in Yen is the Wrong thing to do because its a high risk country physically...

reply to post by burntheships


very good, they are starting to look at predicting earthquakes a different way. Can they also include the breakthrough of soft particle physics? Because IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED! I mean a person that is in search of finding perfect rapport within can predict earthquakes years before it happens. I say, don't depend on technology, depend on what you feel.

Originally posted by Aestheteka
or the same thing that's been hammering us with gamma rays from 0.3 light years away

Um, what is hammering us with gamma rays from just 0.3 LYs away? You realize a gamma ray burst 25 LYs away could be enough to end life on earth if it was a direct hit do you?

reply to post by jrmcleod


HAARP has a minutely small in comparison 3.6 MW capacity to excite an area in the ionosphere directly above the 33 acre array. It can't be directed a third of the way around the world, and its effects on the ionosphere dissipate as soon as it's shut off, and besides atmospheric weather rotates the opposite direction from Alaska to Japan. Haven't you ever heard of the WWII balloons that used the world weather pattern jet streams to cross the Pacific?

HAARP conspiracies don't have the flimsiest grounds in science whatsoever.

while they may detect increased energy in the atmosphere, thats not saying that IS WHAT causes the earthquake, it just may be a symptom.

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

HAARP has a minutely small in comparison 3.6 MW capacity to excite an area in the ionosphere directly above the 33 acre array. It can't be directed a third of the way around the world, and its effects on the ionosphere dissipate as soon as it's shut off, and besides atmospheric weather rotates the opposite direction from Alaska to Japan. Haven't you ever heard of the WWII balloons that used the world weather pattern jet streams to cross the Pacific?

HAARP conspiracies don't have the flimsiest grounds in science whatsoever.

I've actually heard of Japan as having used those balloons as crude chemical weapons platforms in WW2. Very smart, but not exactly effective. (Fortunately for us.)

M.


M.

Not sure if this has been brought up before BUT if we are talking about an event that's a precursor to an earthquake, then following the logic that we live in a somewhat linear reality and cause is followed by effect. I would theorize that whatever energy is increasing the number of electrons is causing the earthquakes. Which would mean the source is external. My guess would be the sun or some other galactic source.

So for instance the energy is created in the sun and expands outward like a shock wave. The gravitational and electromagnetic fields of all astral bodies between us and the sun are like rocks on the shore of the ocean creating turbulence in the shock wave, not to mention our moon.