Do you have to take/accept the mark of the beast or can you be fooled into it?

There are some people that believe that we can be tricked into receiving the mark of the beast. So I looked up the passage in revelations and here is what is said:

13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;

It says they are to be given marks. No where does it say you have a choice. So theoretically, if say there is a major outbreak of some disease and there is a mandatory mass vaccination program, then they could hide the mark in it.

What do you guys think?

reply to post by odinson


I would think that the point of the mark would be to separate believers from the rest of the group, it would have to be voluntary for the concept to work properly. if it were just mixed into a vaccination etc. then everyone would have it everyone would be part of the "group".

reply to post by odinson


I guess anything is possible, but by this reasoning wouldn't they have to inject us in the forehead also?

The only other thing I can think of is a programmed nano-bot that could be in the vaccine, which is

designed to travel through the body (nano can pass through tissue) to the forehead or maybe designed to completely take

out the pineal gland?

i would assume that it would be implanted in the arm/hand or fore head. I have heard of people putting rfid chips in to locate them later in case of being kidnapped. There is a movie coming out that looks like people have bar codes on their arms.

All I know is that I was told in Church to not accept the mark. They always preached about choice. Now after reading thatt area , I don't believe them.

Originally posted by theinsolentfish
reply to post by odinson

 

I would think that the point of the mark would be to separate believers from the rest of the group, it would have to be voluntary for the concept to work properly. if it were just mixed into a vaccination etc. then everyone would have it everyone would be part of the "group".

Agreed, the whole concept of this battle is free will...and if it was pushed on us as fruit juice, that would not show intent to follow the beast.....The mark has to have a foundation of disloyalty to God....If it occurs, it will have to be an obvious choice to 'follow' the PTB instead of God.

reply to post by odinson


It says in Revelations that we have a choice. However, there are consequences for accepting and not accepting the mark.

To accept the mark means you will have no chance of salvation. The LORD will wash His Hands of you. Your reward will be the wages of sin that is death. You will be a worshipper of The Anti Christ with his mark upon you. If you don't take the mark then you will not be in danger from The Wrath of Almighty GOD. You will see eternal life and will see Him who we pierced, Jesus Christ, The Son of The Most High. However, you will no longer be allowed to buy or sell anything in this system of things and it will be very difficult to live an earthly life, even many may be executed because they refuse this mark and refuse to worship the beast or his image.

Our choice! I pray for us all who do not take the mark, who will not worship the beast or his image

God be with us! Peace be with us! Trust in The Lord and His Chosen to deliver us from the evil of this earth. Hope, Faith, Courage and Love!

reply to post by odinson


We are given the choice! I repeat that. We can refuse an order! There will be consequences, but we have a choice not to consent. Even Satan is bound to respect Free Will.

What if...you are not christian but choose not to accept it?

reply to post by Revolution9


ps. The mark may not be a physical mark a tall as it can be interpreted that worshiping the beast or his image is consent enough. Think back to the days of Peter and Paul. Early Christians were persecuted, imprisoned and executed for refusing to bend the knee to Caesar and his image. Also, at that time there was a kind of mark that gave permission to participate in the system. I think even the early Catholics did a similar thing? I read about this somewhere once. Sorry can't be any more informative than that.

Originally posted by Garfee
What if...you are not christian but choose not to accept it?

God will still love you, I believe. You will be in no danger of the Judgement as you have not consented to worshiping the Anti Christ and rejecting Christ. You will get a clear opportunity to walk with Jesus. That is what I believe after reading the Scriptures.

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When the mark is given it will probably be explained as necessary (probably one of those nice rfid chips) with our drivers license ssn and visa on it, but there would be some sort of question posed to you before injection something like "In taking this injection you hereby denounce any religious affiliations with God Jesus or the holy ghost referred to in christian and Jewish beliefs." and to be completely honest any educated individual who comes across such a situation where people want to "mark" you and require denouncing Christ as a prerequisite would be daft to just go with it unless they seriously don't believe. in that situation i believe many people who are not Christians would deny the injection merely because the Christian community has been warning of such a situation since revelations, and for a prediction like that to come about many would start to wonder what they should do for their eternal soul more then for the here and now situation.

reply to post by odinson


I think it is going to be something to do with identification.....in connection with banking and monetary credits and debits.

I also believe people will be given a choice to take the mark or not take the mark....and if the mark is not taken...you won't be able to buy or sell...pay your bills etc.

If the mark is not taken....it will be very difficult to live. People will lose their homes...etc. but oh yeah...they will have a choice to take it or not.

I dont get that bit about people taking the "mark" and "worship" the beast.

While some might accept the mark to be part of the new "system" (whatever it is), I cannot imagine atheists performing an act of worship in a literal sense. So there is something "off" with that verse.

Furthermore, why would the anti-christ who is described as someone who will not regard the God of his fathers, and wage war against the saints be interested in being worshipped??

I think the word "worship" is symbolically used to represent some kind of a non-religious "oath" of allegiance.

Originally posted by odinson
There are some people that believe that we can be tricked into receiving the mark of the beast. So I looked up the passage in revelations and here is what is said:

13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;

It says they are to be given marks. No where does it say you have a choice. So theoretically, if say there is a major outbreak of some disease and there is a mandatory mass vaccination program, then they could hide the mark in it.

What do you guys think?

Well, technically people are given a "choice". Accept the mark on your hand or forehead or lose your head by the sword.

A kind of nuclear option "choice". lol

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I dont get that bit about people taking the "mark" and "worship" the beast.

While some might accept the mark to be part of the new "system" (whatever it is), I cannot imagine atheists performing an act of worship in a literal sense. So there is something "off" with that verse.

Furthermore, why would the anti-christ who is described as someone who will not regard the God of his fathers, and wage war against the saints be interested in being worshipped??

I think the word "worship" is symbolically used to represent some kind of a non-religious "oath" of allegiance.

I know what you are saying and why. You are not likely to be deceived. You are bright, questioning and aware. Most are not. There is a kind of stupor on most people even right now. They have fallen asleep in the classic Jeremiah sense.

As we know from what happens with false flags. Most people just go with the "official" version, no matter how ludicrous. It says in Revelations people will be deceived by false signs and wonders. They will be willing believers of great illusions. The dark power that is coming will look to be fairly miraculous and like Bob Dylan said in his famous song,

"Sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace".

They will be deceived by the power of the anti christ, saying "Who is like the beast, who can wage war with him?"

After all he will be the literal hero of those of Satan's children. Our enemy, their hero!

Originally posted by odinson
There are some people that believe that we can be tricked into receiving the mark of the beast. So I looked up the passage in revelations and here is what is said:

13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;

It says they are to be given marks. No where does it say you have a choice. So theoretically, if say there is a major outbreak of some disease and there is a mandatory mass vaccination program, then they could hide the mark in it.

What do you guys think?

You have to look at the context, if you read the entire chapter (link) it becomes clear that it's not just a matter of taking a mark, but rather the people who take the mark are already worshipping the beast and the beast's image (possible a statue of some kind). Those who refuse to worship the beast's "image" will be killed before the mark is even implemented. It's also mentioned in Rev 14 in the description of the 3 angels that will fly through the skies proclaiming warnings. The 3rd angel warns about this:

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Notice that here again the warning isn't just about the mark, but about worshipping the beast and his image in conjunction with taking the mark. So the mark isn't something that people will be tricked into, it's part of an overt act of defying God and worshipping the beast instead. Those who worship the beast and accept the mark will know exactly what they are doing and they will do it voluntarily.

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by odinson
There are some people that believe that we can be tricked into receiving the mark of the beast. So I looked up the passage in revelations and here is what is said:

13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;

It says they are to be given marks. No where does it say you have a choice. So theoretically, if say there is a major outbreak of some disease and there is a mandatory mass vaccination program, then they could hide the mark in it.

What do you guys think?

You have to look at the context, if you read the entire chapter (link) it becomes clear that it's not just a matter of taking a mark, but rather the people who take the mark are already worshipping the beast and the beast's image (possible a statue of some kind). Those who refuse to worship the beast's "image" will be killed before the mark is even implemented. It's also mentioned in Rev 14 in the description of the 3 angels that will fly through the skies proclaiming warnings. The 3rd angel warns about this:

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Notice that here again the warning isn't just about the mark, but about worshipping the beast and his image in conjunction with taking the mark. So the mark isn't something that people will be tricked into, it's part of an overt act of defying God and worshipping the beast instead. Those who worship the beast and accept the mark will know exactly what they are doing and they will do it voluntarily.

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That's well interpreted, brother. I take my hat off to you.

Well if it comes to it while we are alive we shall find the strength from each other I know it. Like Peter and Paul we will show the courage of our love for The Father and Christ. I am in no hurry for those times I can tell you. But what must be, must be. The LORD knows the hour and it is His only to know.

If you're wondering whether there is a choice, just look at God's reaction in the next chapter;
"If anyone worships the beast and its images and receives a mark...he also shall drink the wine of God's wrath." Revelation ch14 v10.
The whole point of the Mark is to identify those who are loyal to the Beast.
As I wrote in my own thread on the subject, "If the Mark is such a reliable indicator of loyalty that it can be decisive even in the eyes of God", then it cannot be received by violence or deception, because receiving something by violence or deception says absolutely nothing about your loyalty. Whatever the Mark is, it has to be an indicator that somebody genuinely prefers the Beast to God- for why else would God be punishing it?

Can I commend this discussion of the issue?
The Mark of the Beast

PS; And I offer this recommendation; DON'T look for the "Mark". Look for the Beast. Someone dominating the world in hostility to the Creator God. Once you've identified the Beast (who may not be in the world yet), whatever they're using as a badge of loyalty is the Mark.

There is always a choice. As far as being tricked into it... well, if you are like me and trust no-one, the chances of being tricked are slim to none It's important to always ask "why" and challenge what you see and hear and look for the truth, on the inside, not the outside.

It's funny you bring this up. Lately I get the feeling that we should be picking sides. In fact, when my friends and family are talking religion, politics, etc. I basically tell them not to worry... it's all going down as planned, just pick a side! lol

I know what side I am on, do you?

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
There is always a choice. As far as being tricked into it... well, if you are like me and trust no-one, the chances of being tricked are slim to none

It's important to always ask "why" and challenge what you see and hear and look for the truth, on the inside, not the outside.

It's funny you bring this up. Lately I get the feeling that we should be picking sides. In fact, when my friends and family are talking religion, politics, etc. I basically tell them not to worry... it's all going down as planned, just pick a side! lol

I know what side I am on, do you?

Bless Up! Lovely words! "How long shall they kill our prophets?"

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JAH bless!