Whats your problem with OWS, and why dont you help?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
If PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS under Woodrow Wilson hadn't signed into law in 1913 the Federal Reverse Act, and funded the IRS as it exists today the United States of America, and the world would be a different place, a much BETTER place...

[...] It wasn't capitalism which put the bankers/elite in power, it was the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS.

Since you're repeating yourself about this, would you please reply to the questions asked regarding your position?

Are you saying that after the 63rd Congress and Woodrow Wilson enacted the Federal Reserve Act there was never a right-wing Congress or President again after 1913?

And what about the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, enacted in 1999 by the 106th Congress (introduced by Republicans) that repealed the separation of investment and commercial banking, as Donkey_Dean asked you here?

I'm not biased in favour of your Democrats or Republicans but I think you're blind on one eye here... both parties screwed you over.

Originally posted by OUTofSTEPwithTHEworld

Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by cheftim59

 

You are the perfict example of what this site's motto (deny ignorance) tries to prevent.OWS has no direction,no rule of law,no permits and has truned into an illegal party in the middle of city parks that were ment for everyone to use.The fact that people are getting hurt was bound to happen when the rule of law is inforced agenst those that brake the law.What do you purpose,total chaos tell you get your college loan payed for by the tax payer??
The fact that you harp on a vet getting hurt like he was targeted spacificly because he was a vet show's your mind set.Where is your concern for the people getting hurt that are not vets?Wait, thats right,doesn't have the impact that a young vet does......................does it??

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no permits? in a PUBLIC PARK WHERE EVERYONE WAS MEANT TO USE IT?...
i mean....i don't get it.
illegal? isn't that our...um 1st amendment? or has it been edited haven taking out that amendment?
wait...let me google it..
yup it's still there.
(sorry for posting this twice, i meant to "quote" his post not reply)

This is what I mean by "deny ignorance' slick,you have taken what i said and made it fit your agenda.
Permit to hold a demonstration, not use the park like people do everyday,I don't really need to look up anything to know there is a difference.If you are an example of whats out there,no wonder there is no direction.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Because 50 years of McCarthism, 20 years of reaganism/bushism/thatcherism will make a confused hater out of anyone. There is only so much propaganda you can take before believing night is day and day is night. Up is down and down is up. Its called theater of the absurd!

Theater of the absorb is to forget first of all that there has ALWAYS been a threat of socialism/communism... I have to laugh every time some ignorant person has to claim "socialism/communism have never been a problem"... Really? the over 110 million CITIZENS, without counting the deaths of soldiers in wars, murdered under socialist/communist doctrines/dictatorships around the world and the millions more who were put in gulalgs, and re-education/indoctrination camps in less than 200 years doesn't clearly show what socialism/communism really is?...

That is communism and yes it is a brutal zombie system. No arguement there except you think socialism and communism is the same thing. That is were the dishonesty BEGINS on your part and MANY OTHERS! I have lived in socialist european countries for many years so I have first hand knowledge just like you alledge to have lived in cuba.

McCarthy WAS RIGHT... But the subversion started before him. Look at what the CENTRAL BANK/Feds have done to this country... What their INVENTED money has done to corrupt our political system which has slowly, but surely attacked the United States Constitution until what is left today is nothing but a shadow of what it once was...

NO. He was a military-industrial complex idiot that took the cold war a little too seriously. You don't have to be paranoid of communism to take it seriously. JFK proved that with his actions during the cuban missile crisis back in the 60s, yet he was still killed by a mafia-cia connection for passing an EO to dismantle the FED! JFK was an honest man who hated secret societies and showed a keen interest in ufos.

If PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS under Woodrow Wilson hadn't signed into law in 1913 the Federal Reverse Act, and funded the IRS as it exists today the United States of America, and the world would be a different place, a much BETTER place..

Which goes to prove money talks and bs walks. It could just as easy have been a republican in office during that time. You have to go back to Abraham Lincoln to find an honest republican and he too was issuing debt-free money called greenbacks. That eventually got him killed. The PTB(JPMorgans, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, Duponts) do not give a rats ass who is in office because they have too much money to spare to look after themselves at the expense of everyone else.

But ask yourself which party is for big business and which party pretends to be against it? I know the answer.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Reagan WAS A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who saw the corruption which plagued the Democrat Party and changed sides. But you actually think that he stopped believing in everything he believed in as a Democrat you are more delluded than I thought.

That is one of the most preposterous things I have read on ATS for quite some time. A lifelong democrat that was a pimp for the military-industrial complex? Do you have selective memory when it comes to how much money was spend on the star wars program against a dying warsaw pact?

Do you have selective memory when it comes to leveraged buyouts? Do you even know what that is? Doubtful..

I won't even mention deregulation and the contract on america because you obviously support tyranny.

But it is very asinine and infuriating to claim he was a life long democrat that suddenly had a change of heart. People don't wake up one day and say VIOLA...I was wrong about everything and god bless the republican party...here I come!

And again in this you are wrong once again... It wasn't capitalism which put the bankers/elite in power, it was the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS.

Corporatism is the natural progression of SOCIALISM.... In SOCIALISM EVERYTHING is centralized, where a small group of people have all the power and CLAIM to represent the people, but they NEVER do... This is why every time a country has completely embraced socialism/communism it has become a DICTATORSHIP...

So western europe has been suffering a socialist/communist dictatorship for decades including france, britain, spain, portugal, italy, greece, germany, norway, switzerland, sweden, finland, iceland, denmark, holland, belgium, austria, ireland, luxembourge, lichenstein?

Or canada and mexico?

Are you really ignorant or is it just an act?

When you centralize all power over corporations only the stronger/the richer will survive, and this in turn will control the political system of every country in the world...

Can you not understand that centralization is an effect of socialism?... EVERYTHING is centralized in socialism giving power to a FEW people over all the economy, and all the resources, and no matter how many times it is claimed that such a socialist system will only serve the people, and all the people will be in power, the truth is that it will only give power TO A FEW PEOPLE...

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Corporations cannot prosper under socialism or communism because they are intensely regulated. The "few people" arguement was based on communism because most of the "dictators" were madmen hell bent on control.

It is a strawman arguement that keeps going and going based on fumes. Hot air and nothing else!

Originally posted by TheMindWar
I thought I should just post to say the protestors have my full support. Infact I have seen some with anti-TSA boards which doubles my support. Anyone who puts thier hands down peoples trousers and upskirts for money is a seriously sick individual IMHO and ahould be jailed immediately. The TSA arw aick tyrants bullying people, the people should line up the TSA and make them strip naked and march then round the cities as an example and throw tomatoes at them, then they should be locked up in the stocks for a week as a warning to anyone else.

If the OWS crowd has their way, the TSA will look like enlightened public servants. Read some of the overtly socialist, anti-free market posts on here and you see what OWS is really about. And they'll take whatever support they can get from those too naive to see them for what they are.
The mob is easily manipulated and the mob always needs blood. The elite will likely remain where it is. The mob always eats its own.
If you believe in individual liberty, you would be wise to stay very far away from collectivist movements.

For the record, I am very anti-TSA myself due to its unconstitutional practices, but these OWS folks don't want freedom, they want human sacrifice.

Originally posted by ColCurious

Since you're repeating yourself about this, would you please reply to the questions asked regarding your position?

Are you saying that after the 63rd Congress and Woodrow Wilson enacted the Federal Reserve Act there was never a right-wing Congress or President again after 1913?

Let me answer to you in this manner. ONce you are infected with HIV, are you ever rid of it, or is it so imbedded in your insides that it can't be completely rid off? And btw, please do not even think about posting the claims from a blog on how x cure, if you buy it from us, will cure you of HIV...

Originally posted by ColCurious
And what about the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, enacted in 1999 by the 106th Congress (introduced by Republicans) that repealed the separation of investment and commercial banking, as Donkey_Dean asked you here?

First of all, have you ever heard what a RINO is?

Second of all, who signed this law?...

The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

en.wikipedia.org...

BTW, how many DECADES went by since the signing of the Federal Reserve Act and the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB)?

1999 -1913 = 86 years... You don't think 86 years is enough time for the corruption which the PROGRESSIVE democrats implemented and for the corruption to work it's way into almost every nook and cranny of our political system?... Naaa...

Originally posted by ColCurious
I'm not biased in favour of your Democrats or Republicans but I think you're blind on one eye here... both parties screwed you over.

First of all, I have said it many times already...even the Republican Party has been corrupted, or has been infiltrated by leftwingers passing for Republicans, very few Republicans in power are actually real Republicans.

Second of all, all you have to do to find out what form of government the founding fathers of this nation decided together that should be guaranteed, is to read the Constitution itself.

Just because the Republican Party has also been infiltrated, and corrupted, doesn't mean that Republicanism is dead...or it is not the answer...

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4


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Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government


The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

www.usconstitution.net...

A Republican is an advocate of a Republic, which is what the U.S. is...

Let's actually take a look at what the number one source of leftwingers has to say about Republican.

Republican

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Republican can refer to:
An advocate of a republic, a form of government that is not a monarchy or dictatorship, and is generally associated with the rule of law.

Republicanism, the ideology in support of republics or against monarchy; the opposite of monarchism.
...

en.wikipedia.org...

Phew...Republicanism is sooo evil...

reply to post by nenothtu


You are reading it wrong, as since the 1980's no one has cared or even given two yaps over how their lives are being ruined by the day, they lose jobs at a record pace, saw their jobs gets shipped overseas, saw their rights get threatened, saw their bank accounts dwindle to almost nothing and had the nation get threatened when it wouldn't "fall in line".

What did you think was going to happen? If the crash did not occur when it did there wouldn't be much left to actually defend.

No one has gave a toss for the last 35 years so when you hit people in the pocketbooks it forces them to care by forcing them to face it head on and actually care.

The multi trillion dollar distractions courtesy of stupid sports, reality tv, mindless tv toilet humour has taken over our lives and it has become sickening. People cared more about what some steroid addict, overpaid, overglorified moron sports figure is doing then what is occurring in their own neighbourhood.

Who is more important in your life? The Kardashian's, Jerssey Shore or what actually and directly affects you?

The priorities of Americans over the last 35 years are arse backwards. Time to reprioritize our lives. Time to start caring about what is occurring and directly affects your life, time to man up. Time to start caring about our future.

No more games, no more nonsense.

As to this claim that I was behind the 08 crash I will not say either way but something did need to happen and fast in order to light a fire under people before we all became a second rate version of ourselves!

Time to stand up for the future. No more delays! No more crud! The dawn of a new era is before us!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

First of all, I have said it many times already...even the Republican Party has been corrupted, or has been infiltrated by leftwingers passing for Republicans, very few Republicans in power are actually real Republicans.

Nah. I don't think its been corrupted at all. It was always conservative to the core and continues to be the same today. The only reason you think it is corrupt is because of the tea party astroturfing itself. You look in the mirror and you see a reflection of yourself, correct?

Second of all, all you have to do to find out what form of government the founding fathers of this nation decided together that should be guaranteed, is to read the Constitution itself.

Just because the Republican Party has also been infiltrated, and corrupted, doesn't mean that Republicanism is dead...or it is not the answer...

Masons drafted the constitution and likely it is not the original constitution anyway. I heard the act of 1871 made it a corporate charter after the european bankers loaned money to our once great nation. A republic in theory isn't necessarily bad except the minorities who get protected seem to be the rich 1% everyone hates.

Republics in south america are also corrupt for the same reason. Spanish white men have destroyed the local way of life in favor of european colonialism. Democracies have a tendency to be brutal but at least they represent the majority, which is the way it should be imo.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

That is one of the most preposterous things I have read on ATS for quite some time. A lifelong democrat that was a pimp for the military-industrial complex? Do you have selective memory when it comes to how much money was spend on the star wars program against a dying warsaw pact?

Preposterous really?.. Did you even bother to look it up yourself, or did you just decide not to believe it just because you don't want to believe it?...

BTW, let me give you a small little fact. Most Modern Wars the United States has been in, occurred under DEMOCRAT Presidents.

WWI: Wilson, WWII: Roosevelt, Korea: Truman, Vietnam: Johnson. All except the Persian Gulf conflict.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Do you have selective memory when it comes to leveraged buyouts? Do you even know what that is? Doubtful..

I never said all Republicans in power were off the hook... EVERYONE who has done anything to erode in any way this Republic fo the United States is the same in my eyes, but the truth is the truth. It was Leftwingers who started the corruption and who sold this nation and the world to the rich elites...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I won't even mention deregulation and the contract on america because you obviously support tyranny.

No, I support the REPUBLIC of the United States as the founding fathers made it to be... Something you obviously will never understand...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
But it is very asinine and infuriating to claim he was a life long democrat that suddenly had a change of heart. People don't wake up one day and say VIOLA...I was wrong about everything and god bless the republican party...here I come!

Reagan was 51 years old when he changed political parties, but he started to support Republican candidates in his 40s. A man in his 40s and 50s already has a very solid moral, and political foundation.

Originally a member of the Democratic Party, he began to support Republican Party candidates in the early 1950s and eventually switched to the Republican Party in 1962.

en.wikipedia.org...

Oh and btw he was a Liberal Democrat.

But Reagan had that harder and more exhausting courage, the courage to swim against the tide. And we all forget it now because he changed the tide. Looking back, we forget that the political mood of today, in which he might find himself quite comfortable, is quite different from the political mood the day he walked into politics.

But he had no choice, he couldn't not swim against the tide. In the fifties and sixties all of his thoughts and observations led him to believe that Americans were slowly but surely losing their freedoms.

When he got to Hollywood as a young man in his twenties, he shared and was impressed by the general thinking of the good and sophisticated people of New York and Hollywood with regard to politics. He was a liberal Democrat, as his father was, and he felt a great attachment to the party. He was proud that his father had refused to take him and his brother Moon to the movie, Birth of a Nation, with its racial stereotypes. And he bragged that his father, Jack, a salesman, had, back long ago when Reagan was a kid, once spent the night in his car rather than sleep in a hotel that wouldn't take Jews. Ronald Reagan as a young man was a Roosevelt supporter, he was all for FDR, and when he took part in his first presidential campaign he made speeches for Harry Truman in 1948.

When Reagan changed, it was against the tide. It might be said that the heyday of modern political liberalism, in its American manifestation, was the 1960s, when the Great Society began and the Kennedys were secular saints and the costs of enforced liberalism were not yet apparent. And that is precisely when Reagan came down hard right, all for Goldwater in 1964. This was very much the wrong side of the fashionable argument to be on; it wasn't a way to gain friends in influential quarters, it wasn't exactly a career-enhancing move. But Reagan thought the conservatives were right. So he joined them, at the least advantageous moment, the whole country going this way on a twenty-year experiment, and Reagan going that way, thinking he was right and thinking that sooner or later he and the country were going to meet in a historic rendezvous.
...

www.pbs.org...

Ronald Reagan - then a liberal Democrat - campaigns on the radio for President Truman in 1948. He also supports Hubert ...

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
So western europe has been suffering a socialist/communist dictatorship for decades including france, britain, spain, portugal, italy, greece, germany, norway, switzerland, sweden, finland, iceland, denmark, holland, belgium, austria, ireland, luxembourge, lichenstein?

Or canada and mexico?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Are you really ignorant or is it just an act?

Ignorant, me?... Naaa, I am not the one claiming that every country you just listed has completely embraced socialism/communism... However, yes they have been slowly embracing a socialist take over. The EU for example was formed in 1993.

Heck, the Progressive Democrats sold the United States, and the world in 1913 yet those who have been changing the Republic into a socialist dictatorship are still working at it.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Corporations cannot prosper under socialism or communism because they are intensely regulated. The "few people" arguement was based on communism because most of the "dictators" were madmen hell bent on control.

In socialism/communism the state/government is the corporation. The only difference is a change in the name of who is in power.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
It is a strawman arguement that keeps going and going based on fumes. Hot air and nothing else!

Wow...yeah that is all the proof you have to your ignorant rethorical rant... ok... I guess we must believe your words despite what history itself can tell us...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


People feel like they have been left out in the cold as they can't afford the lobbying money these multinationals can afford.

How many people in the echelon of Gov't have you met? How many POTUS'? How many Govenors? How many Congreepeople? You can't name 10.

I've met every POTUS living, Met like the last 7 NJ Gov's, last 5 straight NY Gov's, Gov's for like a dozen other states, at least 50 members of the Senate (past and present), at least 100 members of The House (past and present) and I have no idea what I am talking about? Are you kidding me? I know way more about things that you will NEVER know about. I've worked on policy (domestic, international, energy, finance, transportation, infrastructure, military, intelligence, security) and have met a literate who's who. I however will not get into what was discussed or talked about here because I'd be breaking the law if I did for which you or anyone here will not force me to do.

I've also handled a slew of corporate items, personal items that will blow your mind if you knew of. I know more about the inner workings of Gov't then most here will ever.

Protections from corporations is a real threat. Something you must understand. If these regulations and consumer protections were not in place that new car you got wouldn't have airbags, seatbelts, crumple zones, abs, anti slip brakes, daytime running lamps, hazard lights. That new power saw you got wouldn't have that little flap that automatically activates to automatically cover the blade. Warning labels would go away and the new mantra would be to "BUY AND USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!".

The US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration reviewed the 2008 - present Tata Nano for possible importation but it was determined the car was to unsafe to sell stateside. Delete regulations and the cheapest production car in the world with a sticker of about $2,500 would become a deathtrap!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

People feel like they have been left out in the cold as they can't afford the lobbying money these multinationals can afford.

How many people in the echelon of Gov't have you met? How many POTUS'? How many Govenors? How many Congreepeople? You can't name 10.

I've met every POTUS living, Met like the last 7 NJ Gov's, last 5 straight NY Gov's, Gov's for like a dozen other states, at least 50 members of the Senate (past and present), at least 100 members of The House (past and present) and I have no idea what I am talking about? Are you kidding me? I know way more about things that you will NEVER know about. I've worked on policy (domestic, international, energy, finance, transportation, infrastructure, military, intelligence, security) and have met a literate who's who. I however will not get into what was discussed or talked about here because I'd be breaking the law if I did for which you or anyone here will not force me to do.

I have actually met a few Senators, and Presidents, however i have not met as many as you have. The fact that you have met so many, and you even speak about things "you can't talk about" clearly shows who you are, and you want to claim that your movement has nothing to do with people with money and power?... Pleeease....You just gave out your movement with everything you said above...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Re read my edit.

To view The Constitution must be from the viewpoint of the centre or else it will be viewed incorrectly as your mindset when reading it must be nation above party. Try to read it any other way and you are doing it wrong.

That is just the US, met many foreign diplomats, heads of State, royalty. If you want to include celebs and entertainers that number is north of 3,000!

Me being a top 20%'r in regard to iq makes what I say fact and not some opinion!

Your God Reagan was a Democrat!

It is no longer about the "Left-v-Right" paradigm but is now about "The 99%-v-The 1%!"

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Re read my edit.

To view The Constitution must be from the viewpoint of the centre or else it will be viewed incorrectly as your mindset when reading it must be nation above party. Try to read it any other way and you are doing it wrong.

Care to tell us exactly what "viewpoint of the center" you are talking about?... I am certian it has NOTHING to do with either the OWS movement, or the United States Constitution...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
That is just the US, met many foreign diplomats, heads of State, royalty. If you want to include celebs and entertainers that number is north of 3,000!

wow...yeah keep digging yourself in deeper, and deeper...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Me being a top 20%'r in regard to iq makes what I say fact and not some opinion!

wow...you are truly full of yourself aren't you?...

BTW, you CLEARLY showed us your true iq when you began claiming your movement has nothing to do with rich people, or people in power, and now you are claiming to be in the circle of the rich, and powerful elites of the world...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1Your God Reagan was a Democrat!

I never said Reagan was my "God"... However, the fact that the mayority of leftwingers had not idea of who he was speaks volumes...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
...
That is just the US, met many foreign diplomats, heads of State, royalty. If you want to include celebs and entertainers that number is north of 3,000!

Me being a top 20%'r in regard to iq makes what I say fact and not some opinion!

It is no longer about the "Left-v-Right" paradigm but is now about "The 99%-v-The 1%!"

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99%?... you mean that rabble of leftwingers who claim to represent the 99%?...

Hey, how about you explain to your friends, and associates in the OWS movement all you told us about your connections with the world elites?...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Re read my edit.

To view The Constitution must be from the viewpoint of the centre or else it will be viewed incorrectly as your mindset when reading it must be nation above party. Try to read it any other way and you are doing it wrong.

That is just the US, met many foreign diplomats, heads of State, royalty. If you want to include celebs and entertainers that number is north of 3,000!

Me being a top 20%'r in regard to iq makes what I say fact and not some opinion!

Your God Reagan was a Democrat!

It is no longer about the "Left-v-Right" paradigm but is now about "The 99%-v-The 1%!"

edit on 30-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Oh lord. Here we go with the "i know important people so I am important" talk. I think Immaculate is Paris Hilton.

Originally posted by radosta

Oh lord. Here we go with the "i know important people so I am important" talk. I think Immaculate is Paris Hilton.

It is more probable that he is Michael Moore.

He thinks he is king of the world, and clearly showed his true iq when he contradicted himself about the OWS movement...

He knows every leader of the world, the rich elites, and claims his iq is venerated by the world elites, yet he claims his movement has nothing to do with the rich world elites or their agenda...

Originally posted by radosta
Oh lord. Here we go with the "i know important people so I am important" talk. I think Immaculate is Paris Hilton.

If he's not lying, he would be considered more qualified than most here. If you were looking to hire someone with inside knowledge, his resume would look pretty good. I admit, it would be difficult to have met over 3000 important and famous people.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

That is communism and yes it is a brutal zombie system. No arguement there except you think socialism and communism is the same thing. That is were the dishonesty BEGINS on your part and MANY OTHERS! I have lived in socialist european countries for many years so I have first hand knowledge just like you alledge to have lived in cuba.

They are the same thing, it's just a matter of degree and how tightly the iron gauntlet chokes you when it tightens it's grip. Communism is the logical end result of the progression of socialism.

Not to be outdone, the fascists are pretty much the same under the hood. In both extreme cases, communism and fascism, the real problem is the centralization and consolidation of the control mechanisms. This is why there is such a push for State control of the means of production. If the State controls it, guess who doesn't and ends up getting the shaft? If the State is the controller, YOU are the controlled, since you are no longer dioing any of the controlling, and everything you do is by the State's leave.

In the final analysis, your well being is under someone else's control, whether State or Corporation, and that's about the only difference between Communism and Fascism - who gets the benefit. For the little man, it really makes no difference at all, because the benefit isn't coming to him, it's getting waylaid by the controllers,

Spare us the whiny rants about how Socialism and Communism aren't the same thing - they are. It's only a matter of degree, and how far you've gotten along the path to giving up your independence and freedom, your own control over your self, to someone else. Just keep walking that path, and you'll eventually get there.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Reagan WAS A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who saw the corruption which plagued the Democrat Party and changed sides. But you actually think that he stopped believing in everything he believed in as a Democrat you are more delluded than I thought.

That is one of the most preposterous things I have read on ATS for quite some time. A lifelong democrat that was a pimp for the military-industrial complex? Do you have selective memory when it comes to how much money was spend on the star wars program against a dying warsaw pact?

Do you have selective memory when it comes to leveraged buyouts? Do you even know what that is? Doubtful..

I won't even mention deregulation and the contract on america because you obviously support tyranny.

But it is very asinine and infuriating to claim he was a life long democrat that suddenly had a change of heart. People don't wake up one day and say VIOLA...I was wrong about everything and god bless the republican party...here I come!

Reagan was a democrat until 1962, when he switched parties at age 51.

You were saying something about "preposterous"?

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You are reading it wrong,

I see.

What did you think was going to happen? If the crash did not occur when it did there wouldn't be much left to actually defend.

I don't know about that. I suppose it boils down to what you consider worthy of defense,

Who is more important in your life? The Kardashian's, Jerssey Shore or what actually and directly affects you?

I suppose that which directly affects me. the other two things you list don't - as far as I know. Maybe they do - what are they? I'd have to know that to know what effect they have on my life.

The priorities of Americans over the last 35 years are arse backwards.

According to you.

Time to reprioritize our lives.

At your command?

As to this claim that I was behind the 08 crash I will not say either way but something did need to happen and fast in order to light a fire under people before we all became a second rate version of ourselves!

Time to stand up for the future. No more delays! No more crud! The dawn of a new era is before us!

So I guess I didn't read it wrong.