Whats your problem with OWS, and why dont you help?

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


We are not a communist group! That is that!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


N/A

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


So, are you telling me that Occupy (Insert City) have the same declaration as Occupy NYC?

reply to post by Jason88


Hence why there is an active operation within the movement that is ongoing designed to identify and expel infiltrators.

reply to post by jam321


A vast majority have already voted to adopt the NYC Declaration as the declaration of the particular subsects. My local is considering establishing one that is unique to my city.

To everyone else :

This is not about "Mine is bigger then yours" but it is about the future of not only the youth and the nation, but the future of mankind as a whole.

Either radical change occurs now or else we will lose whatever we've got left to dictatorial agendas.

From who else do these people get money?

The Tides Foundation and Tides Center also receive grants from the U.S. federal government. Between 1997 and 2001, these grants included the following: $395,219 from the Department of Interior; $3,350,431 from the Environmental Protection Agency; $3,487,040 from the Department of Housing and Urban Development; $208,878 from the Department of Agriculture; $39,550 from the Department of Energy; $93,500 from the Small Business Administration; $10,986 from the Department of Health and Human Services; and $84,520 from the Centers for Disease Control U.S. Agency for International Development.

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

Working Families Party Recruits ACORN Rent-A-Mobs for #OccupyWallStreet
by Matthew Vadum

Evidence suggests that ACORN, the left’s premiere astro-turfing organization, has been paying people to participate in the Occupy Wall Street protests.

Astro-turfing campaigns can generate big money, and ACORN’s lucrative protest-for-profit program is nothing new. As I note in my book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama’s ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers, ACORN has acquired great expertise in manufacturing so-called grassroots protests.

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[size=4ACORN Crime Family Shutting Down Nationwide: Launching Renaming Effort
by Matthew Vadum

ACORN is attempting to perpetrate yet another spectacular fraud on the American people in order to keep tax dollars and foundation grants flowing into its coffers.

With the fallout from the hidden camera videos last fall, congressional funding of ACORN’s election fraud and racketeering business is no longer guaranteed, so ACORN is trying to pass off various state chapters as ”new” groups

As part of the radical group’s fraudulent rebranding scheme, ACORN has renamed its New York chapter New York Communities for Change. Unlike on the West coast where ACORN is at least pretending its renamed California chapter (Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment or ACCE) is not part of the ACORN network, New York Communities for Change shares the same Nevins Street address as ACORN’s Brooklyn office.

A March 4 fundraiser for New York Communities for Change is being hosted by Debra Cooper.

Meanwhile, the Massachusetts branch of ACORN has been renamed New England United for Justice.
biggovernment.com...

edit on 28-10-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


We will not accept money from them or any other organization. Hip hop mogul Russell Simmons offered to donate money but he was rejected.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

We are not a communist group! That is that!

Riiiight, you just call it a new Progressive leftwing movement for global social justice to end capitalism...

Let's see again for example the logo of the Occupy Miami movement....



Humm, I wonder what the clenched fist is all about and why the word revolution is in red?...

I guess the above has nothing to do for example with the following logo...

Malaysian socialists' clenched-fist logo approved

April 29, 2009 -- Malaysiakini -- The Socialist Party of Malaysia (Parti Sosialis Malaysia, PSM), having recently won a decade-long battle for recognition from Malaysia's Registrar of Societies, today announced another victory: that its logo has been approved by the Election Commission (EC).

The EC had previously rejected the logo -- a white clenched fist against a red backdrop -- as it was found to have “connotations of violence” and was “morally unsuitable”.
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links.org.au...

It's not like every socialist/communist group around the world has ever used this symbol logo alongside the hammer and sickle...right?...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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This is not about "Mine is bigger then yours" but it is about the future of not only the youth and the nation, but the future of mankind as a whole.

Either radical change occurs now or else we will lose whatever we've got left to dictatorial agendas.

edit on 28-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Riiight, riiight.... you are calling for a radical GLOBAL change to end capitalism, yet you keep claiming it has nothing to do with socialism/communism.... RIIIIIIIGHT....

Originally posted by beezzer



iowntheworld.com...

I think this speaks volumes.

That old people on Medicare and social security are hypocritical when they
protest the same system that send them checks.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by radosta

 

We are only destructive and scary to the banks and those trying to usurp our nation.

Or anyone who believes in personal responsibility, individual freedom, free markets, and smaller government.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Jason88

 

Hence why there is an active operation within the movement that is ongoing designed to identify and expel infiltrators.

Ah. The beginnings of paranoia and control amongst a controlling collectivist group. When do the purges begin? When will your comrades turn on you and send you to the guillotine or firing squad?
St. Just was very intense for his "cause" until the day he lost his head.

... Seriously though, the anti-OWS folks do present well reasoned, logical responses, which is good for all parties to help better understand their positions.

I have a question for you though, I'm guessing you're not in the 1 percent or a corporate flunky, so what's wrong with young Americans wanting jobs and wanting someone to pay for the evil disservice that global banking operations have inflicted on the U.S. economy?

No one despises the international banking system more than me. But asking for taxpayer bailouts of loans made ,that no one put a gun to anyone's head to take out, is ludicrous.
Nothing is wrong at all with wanting to change a corrupted system. it doesn't mean you tie your hitch to any old "movement" that comes around, just because it has angry people in it. This is a "movement" which certainly is very vocally leftist, using the anger of well intentioned people to gain support.

More government intervention will not create jobs, at least not long term ones. It will raise spending and hence add more debt to the system. A debt incurring system which enriches not so much the 1% as the 0.01%. OWS is a tool of the elite. If they didn't plan it (They probably didnt), they sure are going to use it to their advantage, and ultimately hose the American people.

Beware the mob, my friend. Anger is fine so long as you don't let it destroy your reason. This is an emotional movement for most. There are different agendas that are more thought out at play, however,, and they aren't friendly to the average US citizen.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Reply to quotes :

1. The group there had yet to situate the recycables and were placed there temporarily.

2. Capitalism has allowed time and time again the buying of a vote. This time and time again benefits only a select few while leaving the majority out in the cold.

3. The lack of constraints on capitalism allowed our monetary system to be privatized. They were venture capitalists who have used and abused capitalism to benefit themselves and only themselves.

4. There is only 1 Member of Congress who is a multi billionaire and that is Sen, Jay Rockerfeller (John D. Rockerfeller, IV) (D-WV) who only employs liberal and leftist tactics to remain in power who despises America, this movement and our freedoms. Mr. Rockerfeller is the great grandson of NeoCon and oil baron John D. Rockerfller!

5. Try again is all I will say on this. The Federal Reserve do not care about me, you, this nation and continue to rape the nation yet you want to attack OWS who is against the Fed. Where does your allegiance lie huh?

6. We ARE NOT A LEFTIST ORGANIZATION OR MOVEMENT AND WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORRUPT 2 PARTY OLIGARCHY! What about this do you not get?

7. I have yet to hear one original thought as it's the same Daily talking points rehashed time and time again.

In response to #6... YOU may not be a lefty, although I beg to differ, but there are those there that are. Regardless, the far left share the same goal as you, and it will be the far left that implement what you consider to be a solution to your opinion of what America's problems are. Having said that, the far left organizations are using OWS and the idiots involved to accomplish their goal(s). The fact that you and others like you fail to recognize this cold hard truth is the very proof that you and others like you are useful idiots.

Acting and living like zoo animals is not a movement, nor will it accomplish anything meaningful.

The OWS protesters/supporters epitomize hypocrisy... the fact that YOU are on this website is proof of that, because YOU are using technology developed by greedy, for profit mega corporations, financed by the very "corrupt" bankers and Wall Street "fat cats" that you detest.

I response to #7... I hope that you were looking in a mirror when you typed that. Not only are you and those like you re-enacting the lunacy of the late 1960's, but you guys are taking it even further by combining a failed movement with your misplaced arrogance and status quo pseudo-intellectualism. This is going to end the same way as it did before... economic/political business as usual with no one caring or remembering what you and those like you were trying to accomplish. The reason for this is the fact that the vast majority of the OWS protesters have no idea what they are talking about and that makes it impossible for those middle of the road Americans to get on board with your movement because you offer no real, logical or rational solutions.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

I've seen this argument plenty of times on ATS. Please, try to help me see how this makes sense to you. because to me it seems that you're saying we shouldn't question or impede the people and interests that cause the corruption in the first place, but that rather we should keep waiting to find politicians who can't be bought.

They cause corruption like a bowl of gravy causes obesity. It just sits there. if you don't eat it, you're less likely to get fat. Gluttony causes obesity, and greed causes corruption. Go for the greedy, not the devilish bowl of gravy feeding them.

it seems far more logical to me to attack at the root of the problem - cut off the money - than pretend we're going to miraculously find a team of hundreds of perfectly incorruptable legislators.

it seems far more logical to me to attack the root of the problem as well. Fire the guys who eat the gravy. What you want to do is take the gravy off the table and pour it out, so that everyone suffers.

A small government is less-able to govern effectively, and is easier to buy. it yeilds more easily to special interests, since less government of course, means less oversight, more collusion, and more money to be had.

A small government also has less reach and less influence, so if corruption creeps in, it's easier to deal with and get rid of before it gets entrenched, as it is now.


Compartmentalized small governments, say at the state or local level, are easier still to deal with. They are compartmentailzed, restricted to more local action, so that the cancer can be dealt with more easily before it spreads. The federal government should be the most restricted of all. It has specific parameters and limitations already defined, and should be restricted to those. that would of course bring it down to a more manageable level.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by BlackSol

 

Yet again someone who has no clue. We are targeting the money men at Wall Street, The Federal Reserve as that is who is actually behind this entire crud.

Stop blaming the puppet as they can replace the puppet a hundered times over and it won't matter, delete the influence from banks and then and only then will you see real change.

They all are bought and sold by the same groups so it doesn't matter who we elect, they will still be owned by the banks. It's a 2 headed hydra, cut off one head the other remains, kill the body the hydra dies.

Serious question: how do you propose to "cut off the head of the hydra" by standing there, yelling at it, and beating drums at it? Where is the credible threat there that will make that hydra play nice?

I was bit by a dog once as a kid. Do you know I yelled at it until I was hoarse, and the sonofagun STILL bit me? It had a bit more trouble after it turned loose for another bite when I wrapped an arm around it's neck and started choking the crap out of it.

The lessons I took from that encounter:

1) yelling doesn't usually stop the biting.

2)choking the crap out of it does.

Double post. How does THAT happen?

THEY are watching me, aren't they?

reply to post by radosta


Let's see :
1. Personal responsibility, if you mean the banks and speculation traders being held with their feet to the fire for nearly bankrupting the world by using other people's money to gamble with their friends.,
2. Individual freedom, if you mean that you will still be choose to buy what you want, from who you want, freedoms and protections defined in The Constitution yes, always, forever,
3. Free markets Control of the key elements of the infrastructure like The Federal Reserve, USPS, Defense, Intelligence, Secret Service, Police/Fire, State and Municipal services and the future high speed rail line service are not up for grabs for privatization after the Fed's charter ends next year, it's going back into Gov't hands where it should've been from the getgo, Maintain the fairness that the startup has as equal as a resource as possible.
4. Smaller government if you live in reality you know this is a pipe dream as you clearly have no idea how Gov't even works. Smaller gov't as in no more intrusive searches to board a plane, a major drawback on Gov't spying on it's citizenery, I'm forever down for it but if you are asking that there be less constraints on multi national, multi billion a year conglomerate who needs their every move chequed and scrutinized, everything then not a chance in Hell!.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Remember that logo that got posted in the Jon Stewart thread that you were again defeated on?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My God, try again.

What makes you think the result is going to somehow and mysteriously change? Guess what? It won't. Reposting the same 10 things in 20 different threads ain't going to change a thing.

Defeated!

reply to post by nenothtu


There is currently ongoing a mass exodus that banks profit for Q3 and Q4 2011 and the 2011 Annual will no doubt drop. By how much depends solely upon them. Give up now and the blow stops, continue and we go for the jugglar and are resolved more then ever to do just that!

This allows for those who weren't pulling the plays that led us into chaos to rise.

We aren't going for instant decapitation, what is being done is the intention cut off of lifeblood by starving it.

Internal reports (validity unknown) from Bank Of America is that they are considering rescinding the recent $5 ATM charge and the minimum account charge. It's already happening. Hence why the Dow's skyrocketing, in order to appease us.

Phase III Wave II Starve The Beast!