The Most OBVIOUS police brutality I have ever witnessed. This is shamefully MALICIOUS!!!!

reply to post by wuforde

Anyone they arrest are innocent until proven guilty. Can they use force, yes. I am not defending the cop who threw more gas into the situation. What are discernment problems?

What are discernment problems? You cannot discern what I meant, can you?

The presumption of innocence is due process of law, not a free pass to piss all over peoples rights and just let the courts figure it all out, but hey, I suppose at this point we've fairly well established your inability to discern.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Again i am not backing the police force. but they are breaking up a crowd, for a reason. whether i like it or not. can "they " assume that all of the people involved are just friendlies out protesting. So Cal is not a very safe place so i assume that their judgement is valid. if they pull they crap in chicago, then you have a problem. I guess my thinking is this, when the crime rate is high you default to the police, not sure i like this, but remember OJ?

An active marine should not be down there, since they agreed to an oath. Unactive that is different story, they should abide to the rules, unfortunately we all do.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
These protesters were told days ahead of time
they could NOT stay over night in the area.
These protesters (not shown in video)
Were violently throwing rocks, bottles, and other
projectiles at the police officers.

Expect for a few eggs to get broke if your not going to
peacefully protest. This is what your asking for...

PROOF Go to 5:10-5:25
You can clearly see the protesters start lobbing objects
at the police, then the gas canisters get thrown.
AFTER the protesters starting throwing things at the cops..

Firstly, I'm not a part of this movement but nor do I disagree with all of it- I'm not American and therefore don't really know as much about as many others must.

However, I think this comment screams of police apologist. Is there a clause in the human rights charter that these rights are only valid in daylight? Or when a state allows them? The right to protest is not something which can be negotiated- you cannot only have protests which those in power allow/ endorse. That is beyond useless.

Your second part which seems to say "They started it!" is also a little weak. If a small group in a country attack another country with simple AK- 47s is it then a valid response to drop a nuclear bomb on that country? With more effective/ powerful/ damaging equipment and weapons comes a certain amount of responsibility not to use them without exhausting other options. To use violence on a political protest is very much an unsavoury thing to do. It, whether purposeful or not, begins to intimidate any potential protestors with the potential for violence and therefore potentially uses fear to prevent protests- this is a hugely horrendous thing to happen and annihilates political freedom.

The protesters were already breaking the law by staying over night.

The law? As far as I know they were simply disobeying an instruction- there is no legislation that I'm aware of which makes them a target for arrest for a 'night protest'. Unless there is a law which says "Anything the police instruct someone to do must be performed exactly as requested or shall be punished"- I think that however would be complete oppression.


I don't know if it is poor training which therefore makes the riot police fearful/ nervous and therefore liable to do things they know they shouldn't do and don't want to, whether it is them simply following orders to be very forceful and potentially injure protestors or simply individual sadists and bullies who use these scenarios to attempt to hurt innocent (or even otherwise- it is still a terrible act) people.

In the last 18 months it has happened quite a lot here (England) and genuinely got to the point where a fairly common attitude to hear was "It's not worth protesting as we'll simply get hurt" and from what I've heard America is no better- this is exactly the thing which we find so horrendous from pictures of Bahrain and Syria. Fear of protesting is quite simply making the population's political power and influence impotent.

You know....all of you calling police ' pigs' etc are crying wolf. Lets hope none of you actually need these low paid workers to actually come save you from some ghastly scenario one day. Would you welcome them with open arms or would you tell them to F off, you can handle it? Protesting is fine, but adding peaceful first is the way to go.
Some of you Yanks are getting to be sooooo precious.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by wuforde

 

Anyone they arrest are innocent until proven guilty. Can they use force, yes. I am not defending the cop who threw more gas into the situation. What are discernment problems?

What are discernment problems? You cannot discern what I meant, can you?

The presumption of innocence is due process of law, not a free pass to piss all over peoples rights and just let the courts figure it all out, but hey, I suppose at this point we've fairly well established your inability to discern.

it happens everyday. With your logic, no one should be arrested b/c it(judges) will decide. Is this not what the constitution says? So if you are pissing all over the sidewalk should you not be arrested?

Originally posted by wuforde
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Again i am not backing the police force. but they are breaking up a crowd, for a reason. whether i like it or not. can "they " assume that all of the people involved are just friendlies out protesting. So Cal is not a very safe place so i assume that their judgement is valid. if they pull they crap in chicago, then you have a problem. I guess my thinking is this, when the crime rate is high you default to the police, not sure i like this, but remember OJ?

An active marine should not be down there, since they agreed to an oath. Unactive that is different story, they should abide to the rules, unfortunately we all do.

Dear Lord, this discernment problem of yours is quite disturbing. Are you suggesting that O.J. Simpson is an example of some sort of Southern Californian crime wave?

I live in Southern California and while it may not be as safe as Mayberry RFD, it is certainly safe enough for millions of families to raise their children in, and guess what, millions of families do raise their children in Southern California.

If you want to "default" on your rights, do so. God knows the government invites you to "default" on those rights regularly. However, your cowardly surrender of rights does not demand all others act as cowardly. Their rights are still Supreme Law of the Land.

The fist at the end of the video told me all I needed to know about that video. Agenda.

First, you need to know something that the video did not show. What exactly those "Protestors" were doing just prior to the event. Without seeing that, even the most righteous reaction by the Police could be taken out of context. They were told to disburse I am sure and refused several orders to do so. Thus the tear gas. In this instance, the flashbang is just another disbursal tool. If those "Protestors" had not suddenly surrounded the injured party, they (Police) could have had aid rendered to him by emergency responders more quickly.

reply to post by wuforde

it happens everyday. With your logic, no one should be arrested b/c it(judges) will decide. Is this not what the constitution says? So if you are pissing all over the sidewalk should you not be arrested?

Here we go again with this very disturbing problem you have with discernment. In order to make the absurd comment you just made, you had to willfully ignore that I said that the police "damn well better arrest the criminals".

Are you asking me if the Constitution say's that no one should be arrested because judges will decide? Seriously? Why don't you take a little break from posting and Google U.S. Constitution and read the damn thing for yourself, and while your at it, read the California State Constitution. Not that you will, right? After all, if you were of the mind to do so, you would have all ready instead of asking me what the Constitution says.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by wuforde
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Again i am not backing the police force. but they are breaking up a crowd, for a reason. whether i like it or not. can "they " assume that all of the people involved are just friendlies out protesting. So Cal is not a very safe place so i assume that their judgement is valid. if they pull they crap in chicago, then you have a problem. I guess my thinking is this, when the crime rate is high you default to the police, not sure i like this, but remember OJ?

An active marine should not be down there, since they agreed to an oath. Unactive that is different story, they should abide to the rules, unfortunately we all do.

Dear Lord, this discernment problem of yours is quite disturbing. Are you suggesting that O.J. Simpson is an example of some sort of Southern Californian crime wave?

I live in Southern California and while it may not be as safe as Mayberry RFD, it is certainly safe enough for millions of families to raise their children in, and guess what, millions of families do raise their children in Southern California.

If you want to "default" on your rights, do so. God knows the government invites you to "default" on those rights regularly. However, your cowardly surrender of rights does not demand all others act as cowardly. Their rights are still Supreme Law of the Land.

Good for you. I bet they do, but they are doing it on my dime. "Default Rights"? really, i bet if i wanted to protest i would just like you all. See where i can w/o a permit, then get the permit. I am beginning to think that if all of the people in Ca would like to be in the republic, then they might have a say... High crime will get you nowhere, no matter where it is... This almost sounds like a domestic issue!!!! lets get rid of the crime lords, the drug dealers.... oh wait they are either here or are coming from Mexico. This movement is like a occupy the US with Mexico.... They want it back....

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by wuforde

 

it happens everyday. With your logic, no one should be arrested b/c it(judges) will decide. Is this not what the constitution says? So if you are pissing all over the sidewalk should you not be arrested?

Here we go again with this very disturbing problem you have with discernment. In order to make the absurd comment you just made, you had to willfully ignore that I said that the police "damn well better arrest the criminals".

Are you asking me if the Constitution say's that no one should be arrested because judges will decide? Seriously? Why don't you take a little break from posting and Google U.S. Constitution and read the damn thing for yourself, and while your at it, read the California State Constitution. Not that you will, right? After all, if you were of the mind to do so, you would have all ready instead of asking me what the Constitution says.



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Why do i care what CA thinks, it is the US constitution i am claiming. Hey Obama said so, pass this bill now. LOL. If CA could fall of the planet that would mean a huge break for the rest of us. I could go into state workers pensions, which are crap. You frenchie can claim US, but we all know where your true opinions lie.

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really, i bet if i wanted to protest i would just like you all.

More foolish presumptions. If you had the slightest clue as to who you have chosen to argue with in this thread, you would all ready know that I have been sharply critical of this so called "OWS" movement, and am in no way a part of them. This, however, does not mean that I will not defend their rights just as fiercely as I would any other person, including yours.

Further, reading your posts is getting more difficult as your ability to communicate cogent thoughts seems to be disintegrating rapidly, but in case you were not aware of this, I should point out to you that the State of California is a republic.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I bow down to you.. The state of CA is not a republic, it may be a republic in a republic. You are so awsesome and i will not comment anymore. The holiness of CA has cleared my thoughts, and i realize that i am wrong. People should never be exposed to tear gas and the like. They should just be allowed to run and do what they do, whether be lawfully or not.. Let me ask this why is Oakland such a big deal?

Yes i saw this on TV on Comedy central with that darn fool making fun of it as if it is a joke.

he lives well he is the 1%.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by wuforde

 

really, i bet if i wanted to protest i would just like you all.

More foolish presumptions. If you had the slightest clue as to who you have chosen to argue with in this thread, you would all ready know that I have been sharply critical of this so called "OWS" movement, and am in no way a part of them. This, however, does not mean that I will not defend their rights just as fiercely as I would any other person, including yours.

Further, reading your posts is getting more difficult as your ability to communicate cogent thoughts seems to be disintegrating rapidly, but in case you were not aware of this, I should point out to you that the State of California is a republic.

sorry JP that i am not as refreshed as you. You seem like a person looking for a fight. CA has its problems, but raging on the Police force will get you no where unless you do something about it.

MAN/WOMAN up.

reply to post by Aggie Man


Its a flash bang, not an incindeary.

Its in response to the advance of the protestors and refusal to back away and disperse...

There are other threads covering this....

Do research before delivering your opinion on what happened and what constitutes brutality.

Originally posted by ApplesOnFire
Yes i saw this on TV on Comedy central with that darn fool making fun of it as if it is a joke.

he lives well he is the 1%.

I don't live in the 1%, but why would i want to pay for you? Sell me...

Originally posted by wuforde
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

I bow down to you.. The state of CA is not a republic, it may be a republic in a republic. You are so awsesome and i will not comment anymore. The holiness of CA has cleared my thoughts, and i realize that i am wrong. People should never be exposed to tear gas and the like. They should just be allowed to run and do what they do, whether be lawfully or not.. Let me ask this why is Oakland such a big deal?

The California Republic

If what people do they do by right, this is not done because it was "allowed" but because, Constitutionally speaking, both state and federal, government has no authority to "allow" or "disallow".

Apparently you are under the impression that freedom is something that tyrants permit.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

This is your mealy mouthed defense of thuggery? "Watch the video"? Every individual that acts criminally should be held accountable for their crimes. Innocent people causing no harm are not responsible for the crimes of others and there is no lawful and reasonable justification for abrogating and derogating the rights of innocents just because a few acted criminally.

I totally agree with you! If we follow his line of thinking, all police officers should have been jailed because i'm sure 1 of them made something worth it.

Peace out.

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Not much to see here other than a protest being dispersed, everyone is entitled to there own opinion, move the bums along and point them to the nearest job centre. The Occupy movement is proving to be a waste of time. Left wing nuts with no idea of how their county has become so strong, communism and socialism no thanks....

Thank god my local police sent the uni students back to school. Local businesses were losing money.

Yeah, a country that became so strong helped with crooked politicians. I'm sure bailing out billionaires that took nice bonuses with the poeple's money is a good way to get a strong country.

And btw i don't care if you are "left" or "right", not any of them is right. Just be you.

Keep on doing good work dude! You are the elite of the poors.

Peace out.

Originally posted by OzTruth
OWS is a NWO strategy to disrupt and bring down the American economy, freedom and spirit... Van Jones, George Soros and other left wing groups are using the protests, challenging capitalism to trigger a revolution for a new american communist socialist society. This is well known to people who can read between the lines.

So.... good on the cops for dispersing them, only one got hit in the head, it's not that a bigger deal.

edit on 27-10-2011 by OzTruth because: (no reason given)

Bring down the American economy? Thank you, you gave me a good laugh!

Me too i'm sure that the country is sinking because of this movement.

Thank you again for your enlightening comment.

Peace out.