The Most OBVIOUS police brutality I have ever witnessed. This is shamefully MALICIOUS!!!!

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Its a flash bang, not an incindeary.

That may be true but a Flash bang is still classified as a grenade. It may not produce shrapnel but can still do damage from the concussion in close proximity. They can also cause burns when they go off in the middle of a crowd. You know, like what we see in the OP's video.

Its in response to the advance of the protestors and refusal to back away and disperse...

Really? At what point in the OP's video do you see those people helping that man advance on the police? He purposely threw that flash bang in the middle of that group aiding a downed man. He even backed up a little behind the other officers thinking he wouldn't be seen throwing it.

This cop should be fired. And that's the very least that should happen to him.



Here's to hoping the protests turn real nasty in Oakland and this cop is the first taken down.

Honestly it the flash bang move was kind of funny. The guy was hit in the face with a teargas can, that is bad, or a coincidence his face was where a tear gas can was at that time. This is not the craziest police brutality video. Get real.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
That may be true but a Flash bang is still classified as a grenade. It may not produce shrapnel but can still do damage from the concussion in close proximity. They can also cause burns when they go off in the middle of a crowd. You know, like what we see in the OP's video.

Classified as a grenade is irrelevant except for making it sound like something its not. As far as the video, I agree, we see an officer using 2 flash bangs. What we dont see is how the marine was injured.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Really? At what point in the OP's video do you see those people helping that man advance on the police? He purposely threw that flash bang in the middle of that group aiding a downed man. He even backed up a little behind the other officers thinking he wouldn't be seen throwing it.

And what you and others are missing is the fact there is a police line and barricades up that the police are behind. Please explain, if the people are there to protest corporate greed, why they would feel the nedd to not only advance towards that line, but to get so close all it takes is an officer tossing those stun grenades as opposed to throwing or even launching them?

Exactly why would those protestors knowingly advance on police to the point of reaching a barricade line? People also seem to ignore that the protestors were given multiple warnings which they ignored.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
This cop should be fired. And that's the very least that should happen to him.

Ok.. then every single protestor should be rounded up and imprisoned for their actions that resulted in the marine being injured.

See what I did there? How exactly can you and a few others argue for the protestors right to protest while at the very same time demanding the officers rights be ignored solely because you hate the police?

I mean thats the only conclusion I can come to, that you and others hate the police, and that you are seizing on this incident to push that agenda. Surely you know how hypocritical you and some others look defending the rights of protestors and condemning the police for supposedly violating those rights while in the next breath stripping those very same rights away from law enforcement.

Or are we just deciding to pick and choose what rights are valid and when and with whome to support an argument?

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Here's to hoping the protests turn real nasty in Oakland and this cop is the first taken down.

This is why you and some others are part of the problem and not the solution.

You really should do some research and educate yourself on laws and your rights, how they work and how they apply before opening your mouth and allowing stupid to fall out.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by KryptKeeper
Real quick ...... since I live across the bay from oakland I travel through there every once in awhile. I can totally see why the cops use force or even excessive force. There are a lot of bad people in that city and they cant take the time to weed them out when they as a whole are being a loud mob that is throwing things.

Sorry but I am going to side with the police. If you have never been to oakland zip your lips and don't bother responded to me because you have no room to talk. I would bet my life that the reports of them throwing paint bottles and rocks at the police are 100% correct.

sorry if you never set foot in the city don't bother arguing.

I remember getting jumped at a raiders 49er game just for wearing a 49er jersey.

Kill them all and let God sort it out?

I've been to Oakland, and I live in Los Angeles. Urban living does not excuse tyranny. Abusing the innocent simply because there are guilty among them is not okay, under any circumstances. If a police officer cannot be bothered to honor the oath of office they took, then they are liars and cannot be trusted. Breaking a solemn oath is not some little white lie, it is a profoundly heinous lie.

Well tell me what you would do in their shoes. Forget your disagreements with the government. If you happen to be an honest police officer who does your job by the books and you are only out there to keep things in order and all of a sudden among people who are calling you names and treating you like you are the enemy some of them all of a sudden start throwing things at you.... what are you going to do? Would you hold the same opinions or would you recognize that you are only human and these things do not bode well on either side.

Regardless of how passionate you are for the cause these cops are no different from you. How much money do you think these guys make? Not as much as the people these protesters are fighting against... not by a long shot. They have a job to do and frankly I think it's bull# that they have to endure name calling and be made out to be evil. I think it's wrong to be so hard on them for using flash bangs and hitting a guy on the head. It was just as wrong to throw bottles, and paint, and rocks at the cops when they hadn't hurt anyone up to that point.

Fools who point the finger but can't take any blame.....absurd.... Yeah sorry Jesus, you guys are faultless and they hung you guys on a cross. PLEEEEASE. Must be nice... be on that high horse of yours.

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Disgusting.

The police are out of control!

Why are they even present when the protests have not even begun to become violent?

That video should be played to all the people of Oakland so they can feel the rage many of us do right now.

The police are a danger to those protesters lives, they need to be banned from the area!

reply to post by KryptKeeper


That is ludicrous! The police have no right to be acting this way, too bad if they got called names (pigs, thugs, nazis) first amendment trumps that argument, not to mention they should have a little more confidence, and intelligence than to need to react violently to name calling.

Next the rock throwing...have you seen the riots in Greece? Those police got molotoved and beaten with rocks and sticks every day, but they don't dare to harm the people because they know the second they do they got the whole mob on their back. Americans have not given police here this impression yet because for the most part we are pretty docile and civil.

But get a few more tragedies like this to occur and maybe the people will start to show some backbone against these oppressors in the streets dressed in all black.

I really dislike violence, especially for the movement to devolve into it, but eventually if nothing is done, and the police continue to act like they are soldiers at battle they will start one that they will not be able to win.

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I've been to a few occupations and the socialist/communist portion of each one was around 5% I'd say, most of them were middle aged guys in suits or couples with their kids. Take your filthy propaganda elsewhere.

reply to post by KryptKeeper

Well tell me what you would do in their shoes. Forget your disagreements with the government. If you happen to be an honest police officer who does your job by the books and you are only out there to keep things in order and all of a sudden among people who are calling you names and treating you like you are the enemy some of them all of a sudden start throwing things at you.... what are you going to do? Would you hold the same opinions or would you recognize that you are only human and these things do not bode well on either side.

Do you have any idea how many good people have joined the police force thinking they were doing so to protect and serve the rights of all people only to discover they joined a fascist gang, and proudly the best armed gangs in the nation?

I have friends right here in this site who were once police officers, and now not, because of this!

What would I do? I would never, ever, break my oath of office, just to keep a job! My word is my bond, and I firmly believe in loyalty above all else...except for honor!

Regardless of how passionate you are for the cause these cops are no different from you. How much money do you think these guys make?

This is your mealy mouthed defense of thuggery? They're not paid enough to honor their oath of office? Really? Dear Lord, what else do you quantify with a price?

They have a job to do and frankly I think it's bull# that they have to endure name calling and be made out to be evil.

Not one single police officer has the obligation, nor the duty to act unlawfully. That is not their job, and if they just did their job instead of gleefully abrogating and derogating rights of people, less people would be calling them evil. As long as they continue to excuse their criminality by hiding behind "superior orders" nonsense, then they will continue to hear the name calling from more and more people.

Fools who point the finger but can't take any blame.....absurd.... Yeah sorry Jesus, you guys are faultless and they hung you guys on a cross. PLEEEEASE. Must be nice... be on that high horse of yours.

Do not be so arrogant to presume I am one of the protestors. Such foolishness is easily demonstrated, and all you have to do is follow a few of my recent posts, and even a thread I recently started to know how damn hard I have been on the protestors. Yet never, ever, will you catch me advocating the denial or disparagement of their rights.

How does it feel to ride that high horse? A damn site better than it feels to ride the serpent snake you slither on.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
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So you agree that people have a right to protest as long as it doesn't bring any inconvenience.

Sorry, but protests don't work that way.

I will apologise that you may have to take public transport and you arrive home late, but to be fair if that is your only gripe, good for you.

I can also appreciate that you do not want the people from OWS speaking on your behalf, but you know what, Tough!!

Live with it. The inconvenience is nothing compared to the inconvenience experienced by the people who have lost their jobs or homes due to this financial crisis. Think about these people, who had little say or indeed input to the banking collapse.

Think about the lobbying that goes on in our political system, all done to ensure the Election campaigns can run smoothly. Are you happy with this? The vast amounts spent on electing an idiot to probably the most important position in the so called 'free world'?

No! You got me all wrong! I am fully and totally behind the Occupy Movement.

I just think that ATS is reacting like a spoiled cry-baby to this video. Someone mentioned it before, American's are a bit out of touch. I mean what do you expect in these times? This is what you're gonna get.

Look at the Greek! They have been teargassed non-stop for months and they didn't move an inch! That's protesting!

What do you American people expect? You protest, you assembly, and TARATATATA (trumpet sound) you're wishes will be granted?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Classified as a grenade is irrelevant except for making it sound like something its not. As far as the video, I agree, we see an officer using 2 flash bangs. What we dont see is how the marine was injured.

It's classified as a grenade for a reason. I wonder if you'd volunteer having one exploded at close range in your face. I think not.

Besides that, if it was the other way around, where a protester throws a flash bang at a group of cops aiding a wounded cop, there would be headlines nationwide: "Breaking News: Attempted Murder on Multiple Police Officers by Left-wing Communist Bastard". The protester would surely have been brought in and put on trial for attempted murder or manslaughter. If you think this is not so, then you are more ignorant than I figured or only here to distort the debate.

The cop's action is irrelevant to how the marine got wounded. He tosses the flash bang almost on top of him! How can you justify that? Even if the protesters were advancing to harm the wounded marine, then it would still be very stupid to toss one in like that.

And what you and others are missing is the fact there is a police line and barricades up that the police are behind. Please explain, if the people are there to protest corporate greed, why they would feel the nedd to not only advance towards that line, but to get so close all it takes is an officer tossing those stun grenades as opposed to throwing or even launching them?

Exactly why would those protestors knowingly advance on police to the point of reaching a barricade line? People also seem to ignore that the protestors were given multiple warnings which they ignored.

This is all missing the point. The debate is about what is happening in the video. Regardless of whether these people have committed crimes or not lies outside the scope of the single action taken by a police officer. Watch the video again and tell me honestly that you think this cop was so scared and was being attacked to the point he panicked and tossed a flash bang grenade into a crowd aiding a wounded man.

If these people were warned not to aide the man lying on the ground, then all these cops were in violation of the law and should be prosecuted for violations of human rights in the first place. *They* should be the ones scrambling to the aide of a citizen in need, regardless of his/her ideology and beliefs!

Ok.. then every single protestor should be rounded up and imprisoned for their actions that resulted in the marine being injured.

Why? Are you suggesting the marine was hurt by the other protesters now?

See what I did there? How exactly can you and a few others argue for the protestors right to protest while at the very same time demanding the officers rights be ignored solely because you hate the police?

You're spinning the story around like O'Reilly here. Nice job, but I don't think many will fall for it. Many valid, civil arguments have been presented to show why the cop was violating the law here. You're singling out a few lunies who can't add anything to the debate.

I mean thats the only conclusion I can come to, that you and others hate the police, and that you are seizing on this incident to push that agenda. Surely you know how hypocritical you and some others look defending the rights of protestors and condemning the police for supposedly violating those rights while in the next breath stripping those very same rights away from law enforcement.

Or are we just deciding to pick and choose what rights are valid and when and with whome to support an argument?

You are generalizing again here. The debate is about the what that single cop does in this video. It's wrong he should be convicted.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Here's to hoping the protests turn real nasty in Oakland and this cop is the first taken down.

This is why you and some others are part of the problem and not the solution.

You really should do some research and educate yourself on laws and your rights, how they work and how they apply before opening your mouth and allowing stupid to fall out.

edit on 27-10-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I agree with you here, but it also applies to yourself.

EDIT: www.abovetopsecret.com... > that thread reports that the marine is now in coma. Keep defending the cops, it must make you feel so much better.

Originally posted by RealAmerican23
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

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I think you are losing it. Chill down. Have a beer. Sit on the porch, listen to the birds. Enjoy.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Classified as a grenade is irrelevant

It's classified as a grenade for a reason and when it's thrown into a crowd like this it is very relevant.

And what you and others are missing is the fact there is a police line and barricades up that the police are behind. Please explain, if the people are there to protest corporate greed, why they would feel the nedd to not only advance towards that line, but to get so close all it takes is an officer tossing those stun grenades as opposed to throwing or even launching them?

What you are missing is that unless the protesters were an imminent threat to the cops no flash bangs, tear gas, or pepper balls should have been thrown. It doesn't matter how close the protesters get unless they start coming through the barricade and beating the cops, then yes the cops should defend themselves. Rubber bullets, tear gas canisters, pepper balls, flash bang grenades, sound weapons...all for unarmed citizens.

When did cops become such sissies?

Ok.. then every single protestor should be rounded up and imprisoned for their actions that resulted in the marine being injured.

The marine getting injured was a direct action of the police, not the protesters. The protesters didn't fire the tear gas, the cops did. If you want to play this game then every cop in a precinct or on a force where a cop is found to be dirty should be fired and imprisoned.

See what I did there? How exactly can you and a few others argue for the protestors right to protest while at the very same time demanding the officers rights be ignored solely because you hate the police?

Yes, I see what you did there. It's the same thing you do in every thread you show up in about cops doing something wrong or illegal. You're trying to defend your brothers in blue and make it look like the citizen's fault yet again.

Officers' rights? So now cops have the right to do these types of things?

I mean thats the only conclusion I can come to, that you and others hate the police

No, just cops like the one in this video.

Surely you know how hypocritical you and some others look defending the rights of protestors and condemning the police for supposedly violating those rights while in the next breath stripping those very same rights away from law enforcement.

Surely you must realize how foolish you look defending the cop's actions. What rights exactly am I stripping away from the cops?

This is why you and some others are part of the problem and not the solution.

Oh? What problem is that?

You really should do some research and educate yourself on laws and your rights, how they work and how they apply before opening your mouth and allowing stupid to fall out.

I think you should take your own advice.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

.. then every single protestor should be rounded up and imprisoned for their actions that resulted in the marine being injured.

See what I did there? How exactly can you and a few others argue for the protestors right to protest while at the very same time demanding the officers rights be ignored solely because you hate the police?

I mean thats the only conclusion I can come to, that you and others hate the police, and that you are seizing on this incident to push that agenda. Surely you know how hypocritical you and some others look defending the rights of protestors and condemning the police for supposedly violating those rights while in the next breath stripping those very same rights away from law enforcement.

Or are we just deciding to pick and choose what rights are valid and when and with whome to support an argument?


This is why you and some others are part of the problem and not the solution.

You really should do some research and educate yourself on laws and your rights, how they work and how they apply before opening your mouth and allowing stupid to fall out.

edit on 27-10-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Can you please enumerate on these special "Rights" that you believe cops have??? Because I CAN show you exactly where to find the rights of the people to protest like they are.


We the people pay for the police to exist to begin with so let us look at this correctly from the get go,

It is not the populists duty to ensure that police maintain their "rights" whatever you wrongfully believe them to be, on the contrary it is the duty of the police to uphold rights of the people instead of trampling them.

The only problem that exists in this debate is police brutality and those who support it, you clearly show where you stand so go march about with your like minded friends and see what kind of a response you get from the proles.

For everyone who is trying to spin this one way or the other the entire incident is actually on film. Not just the second flashbang being thrown. It is filmed from a distance but you can see the marine stands his ground longer than most then begins to run, most likely because he sees a weapon being targeted directly at him, he is hit and falls, some people come back to help, a flashbang goes off and they scatter.


www.ktvu.com...

I find it hard to believe that there was anything accidental in this, what can't be said is what did the Marine say in that time to provoke it? Not that that justifies this in anyway.

It's also interesting to see that there is one other man at the other end of the line with a flag throwing the gas back and he is unharmed.

I hope someone looks at this video as it fully documents the incident.

Is it possible that the gash in the forehead is from the canister exploding next to him, at 0.30sec?
Could be that he first was hit by a beanbag and knocked down, and then a piece of the exploding canister tour up his forehead.

I look forward to the day when police... RUN.

And hide.

reply to post by KryptKeeper


I am sorry but just because there are bad people out there,does not give the police the right to just treat us all as if we are the bad one. NOT acceptable. AT all. Not in America.

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Faking? Are you serious??? He is laying barely conscious on the ground with blood all over his face.

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Actually, the police would be the last people I called for anything..
I don't have any trust in our system anymore. It's guilty until proven innocent which is WRONG.