Michael Moore Lies " I Am Not Part of the 1%"

reply to post by ANOK


I agree with your sentiment, but damnit...your gonna get em back into the whole socialism crap!

We need to understand that we need a little bit of both to even out the problems. Both systems are flawed, so we have to compromise!


reply to post by thehoneycomb

But they have some skin in the game as well as politicians. We must realize that.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


OK we can give them New York.

It seems that they have already taken it over anyways.

Capitalism+social engineering are canceling each other out they can't work together never will and that is why when anyone look's at the debt of this country and the world you will see some messed up crap.

People are not working to support corporation's they are working to the support government and china and failed social programs.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ANOK

 

We've had our share of socialism.

We don't want any more.

There has been no socialism for you to have had your share of.

There has been no instance where the workers owned the means of production in a direct democracy, anywhere.
(except Spain in the 1930's, but maybe more on that later...)

Socialism isn't free health care from the government. It is the workers ownership of the means of production in a direct democracy. Started by mill workers who realised they would be better off owning the mill themselves. Marx formed his own state version of socialism. Those who apposed the state became Anarchists (libertarian socialists).

Anarchism is stateless socialism, Mikhail Bakunin

reply to post by ANOK


Ok stirring the pot. I see.

The socialism I was referring to is embedded in our justice system.

I could give a crap about workers and workers rights, please.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ANOK

 

I agree with your sentiment, but damnit...your gonna get em back into the whole socialism crap!

We need to understand that we need a little bit of both to even out the problems. Both systems are flawed, so we have to compromise!

We have compromise now, some limited say in representative democracy, capitalism will always dominate by its very nature.

Socialism is the only real answer to OUR problems, screw the rich, they caused our problems. It's time we got what we are owed. If people had the means to produce what they need they would produce what they need, not crap they don't need in order to make someone else rich at their expense.

Do they owe us a living?

reply to post by ANOK


I think there is a difference in our philosophies.

I just want to live a normal life. It seems that your motivations are different.

Don't know if this has already been pointed out, but if it's "not true" that Moore is worth millions (as the transcript says he claimed to Piers), then how could he afford this?...

Michael Moore to donate 2.5 million dollars to Occupy Wall Street protesters Thursday

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

But aren't you doing the same thing? You are trying to discredit the movement because there may be some elements trying to control it that you disagree with, right?

So are you any better?

There is a big difference, I am showing who is behind the scences, and who is really controlling the OWS movement... Of course i am trying to discredit that movement since it DOES NOT represent 99% of America, and the goal of the movement is to get people to back a One World Socialist dictatorship/government...

I have stated several times in other threads that I agree with some of the people who are attending these protests, but these people are only a minority, and what the OWS movement in general want is not for the election of Ron Paul, or someone similar to him. They do not want less government, the OWS movement wants more government control which at the end it only controls the people...

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ANOK

 

Ok stirring the pot. I see.

The socialism I was referring to is embedded in our justice system.

I could give a crap about workers and workers rights, please.

Then please stop calling it socialism, you give it a bad name.

If you're going to be against, or for something, at least know what it is.

You don't give a crap about workers rights? The 99% are the workers, whether you have a 'job' or not. All of us who are not capitalists are 'workers' who sell our labour.

Socialism IS worker rights. You take 'workers' out and it ain't socialism anymore. Just because the capitalist state, and their media, use these terms as propaganda, and not by their true definitions, it doesn't mean we should lower ourselves and accept them.

reply to post by bacci0909


Nice remind's me of that occupy email that said they should get Michael Moore to help them.

reply to post by ANOK


OK

Socialism supports slashing the parents rights in favor of abortion.
They favor free abortion at the expense of american tax payers.
They favor Sex ED including LGTBQ and abortion for minors, without parents consent.
They want to make the legal voting age 15.
They are a feminist organization that believes they can eliminate racism.
They support organized labor movements for prisoners.
They favor people who are deemed minorities or colored people all while trampling on the rights of those who do not fit the description.
They favor women over men.

I can go on and on and you insist that I am giving them a bad name.

Source

Originally posted by ANOK

Then please stop calling it socialism, you give it a bad name.

If you're going to be against, or for something, at least know what it is.

You don't give a crap about workers rights? The 99% are the workers, whether you have a 'job' or not. All of us who are not capitalists are 'workers' who sell our labour.

Socialism IS worker rights. You take 'workers' out and it ain't socialism anymore. Just because the capitalist state, and their media, use these terms as propaganda, and not by their true definitions, it doesn't mean we should lower ourselves and accept them.

Workers have existed even before anyone came up with the definition of socialism...

In fact, the true workers have been represented better by real capitalism than by socialism, or communism...

The ancient tribes and clans used to be capitalistic, having a free market where people traded either goods or services with others. This is turn formed even bigger societies, and under a true capitalist system the workers excelled...

Socialism is not needed for workers to exist...or for them to have rights... This is what people like you claim, but it is not the truth.

It was thanks to people like you that the socialist elites took control over this country, because people like you wanted to set up a central bank which would control all the economy of this nation.

It was the left that also created the IRS as it exists now with all its taxes, and more are on the way...

What people like you want, a socialist government/system, will only give more power to the STATE/government and those who are in control of the state over the people... But like always you try to brainwash the people by telling them "the people will have the power"...

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Not only that, but the left in the U.S., and around the world, forget that the party that used to represent the people WAS the Republican Party. The Democrats were the rich landowners in the south who wanted slavery to continue to exist, and it was the Republicans under a Republican President that helped free slaves and abolished slavery...

America was the greatest country in the world, and people were enjoying freedoms that very few other countries had. Then under Woodrow Wilson, a PROGRESSIVE Democrat, and with a Democrat Congress they ensured the slavery of ALL Americans by installing PROGRESSIVE/socialist programs such as the Federal Reserve, and the IRS as it exists today...

The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch.3) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender. The Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate Theodore Roosevelt and Republican nominee William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.

In his first term as President, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass major progressive reforms including the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and an income tax. Wilson brought many white Southerners into his administration, and supported the introduction of segregation into many federal agencies.[1]
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It was the left who created the problems for the U.S., the American people and around the world, yet now the left which is in power claims that if the people give them more power all problems will be resolved... It is the same tactic that enslaved dozens of nations into subjugating to socialist/communist dictatorships...

But now what the socialist elites want is a GLOBAL socialist government, and the left around the world want to back this new "progressive/socialist" movement to a One World SOCIALIST Government...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Yet here we are trying to explain that to people who don't know their own history and blame capitalism for all of their problems. Holding hands with the source of the problem.

Should've been "We are the 99.5%". You know...Since 0.5% of the worlds population owns nearly 40% of it's wealth.

reply to post by thehoneycomb



These boogymen happen to lead you direct to the source of the problem.

reply to post by Kahlder


That .5% is in lockstep with the other .5%!

reply to post by randomname


Genuine fellow!! He needs protecting!!

reply to post by neo96


And again, Neo attacks someone for the sole reason that they have money (And that some rightwing blog told him to)
2 Questions Neo:
Why do you hate rich people?
At what income/asset level do you loose freedom of speech?