Do these manipulated Apollo images hide an unknown civilization?

I thought you were the one saying you had proof?

All i see is badly enlarged jpegs and badly used photoprocesses on your behalf

I don't have access to originals, but perhaps the nice folks down in Arizona might be willing to help you:

apollo.sese.asu.edu...


Also, it's especially relevant today for these images to be preserved. Kodak film negatives will eventually degrade, no matter how hard we try to stave away decay.

I would also think that if any of these college kids have seen things "out of this world" they just might have posted it to Facebook by now!

there u go sander original raw data AND tiffs for you to try the same thing on , wasnt that hard to find was it, nice one numinious...






small raw scan 1.2 gb large tiff 210 mg ...some room there for distortion dont you think?that is more than 3 quarters of the data missing

Just to reiterate: the stuff at ASU are the flight films: survey images taken from the Service Module while in orbit around the moon. They should however, give you a good idea of the quality of images in TIFF v. Jpeg.

I also think you should contact the Johnson Space Center and see if they will give you research credentials to investigate the real deals...I'm sure they're as anxious as you to find as many of the anomalies as possible.

reply to post by NuminousCosmos


You call that proof? I have seen these dozens of times. Even have a couple on my harddrive. This is just a normal picture that proofs absolutely nothing. Visit the Signal Forum there you find the same images.

reply to post by 1967sander


you may have seen , but you deffoes do not understand....

reply to post by NuminousCosmos


Regarding asking NASA for the originals. NASA refuses to release any information. Not even the Freedom Of Information Act has any influence on them. We, my American friends and I often tried to obtain originals but
always got zero result.

reply to post by 1967sander


Why have you not included any of the recent photos, from the JAXA spacecraft, or NASA's LROC?

Also, in your "analysis", how do you account for the hundreds of feet of DAC 16-mm footage. Actual film stock, with individual frames (I know, some may have forgotten how motion pictures were originally made, now that we are in a mostly digital era).

Also, the live TV broadcast recordings, of which there are many hours to peruse.

Where are these "evidences" of something being "hidden" and "manipulated" in the vast treasure trove of other images available from Lunar exploration missions?

reply to post by ProudBird


I see we have someone here who has absolutely no idea. JAXA images are computer generated 3D images. These are not photographs. The JAXA movies are 3D animations. As far as the LROC, yes I am studying these as well together with a few specialists like Copernicus on my forum. When I see something interesting I will make a video of it you can count on that. At this moment I have my hands full on +47K Apollo images and thousands spaceshuttle and ISS images. I made analysis of these as well, just visit my channel.

you just keep promoting your channel , if it is to the standards of this thread i think its best avoided....are the 47k of images tiffs? or jpegs?

reply to post by 1967sander


Yes, I know that what was released was processed to provide a 3D representation:

JAXA images are computer generated 3D images.

BUT.....what took the images in the first place? A(n) HDTV camera!!

The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) and NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) have successfully performed the world's first high-definition image taking by the lunar explorer "KAGUYA" (SELENE,) which was injected into a lunar orbit at an altitude of about 100 km on October 18, 2007, (Japan Standard Time. Following times and dates are all JST.)

The image shooting was carried out by the [color=gold]onboard high definition television (HDTV) of the KAGUYA, and it is the world's first high definition image data acquisition of the Moon from an altitude about 100 kilometers away from the Moon.

Forgot to add source: www.jaxa.jp...


And also, in replying to my post above, you failed to address the other sources....instead, distracted the discussion by focusing (and making an incorrect statement) on JAXA.

As pointed out just above, seems this thread lingering and being *defended* in this way is possibly more about steering viewing *hits* to the YouTube account? Because, based on the (so far) 192 people who likely saw this on the ATS front page, and then "flagged" before first applying critical reasoning, and thoroughly reading the entire thread, well....mission accomplished.

I am sorry, but I guess that I am one of those people that need solid proof. Not some computer hardware that makes you see blotches................

I am still waiting for(and will be for a long time) on some concrete, smoking gun evidence...........

Sorry op, but I see old film and possibly some tape.... Not cooling towers or buildings.

Originally posted by bigwig22
Did they have that software back in the 70s?

Peace out.

You Don't Need Photoshop to make fake NASA images


Manned Flight Awareness booklet from NASA

Originally posted by 1967sander
I see we have someone here who has absolutely no idea. JAXA images are computer generated 3D images. These are not photographs.

Kaguya had several cameras, the best for what you are trying to do was the Terrain Camera, that took very good 10 metres per pixel photos. Many (or all, I don't know) of those photos are available on Jaxa's site, I downloaded some of those.

Well whoever is thinking NASA is presenting to you all they have, you are terribly wrong. I've no idea what is not public but I realized they can't be showing all..

I'm not an expert at image editing but I have to say this could be resulting in software overusage. Stairs could be get, since a pixel is a square and increasing the contrast to the level of pure black and pure white would show stairs.

I dont think you can undo an image editing that has already been merged with all its layers and fakes, like you cannot properly separate a voice from music in an audio.

It is nontheless interesting, I could see some more videos, I wouldnt trust what a program can reveal anything to be called 'true'

To the OP I am very interested to see you defend your position. I have no knowlwdge of image manipulation and am a total layperson. Rather than hitting back at the skeptics with one liners could you please start off with a bit of background on how you are viewing the images and maybe spell it out a bit more for the layperson such as myself.

I tihnk people in general are far to quick to star and flag threads and call things a hoax. The star flaggers are believing the claims blindly and the skeptics mat not fully understand what you are showing but may think they do hence why the are scoffing at your claims.

I am in the middle, I am fascinated by the idea but do not fully understand if they are valid claims as I do not have the understanding around image manipulation.

So C'mon convince me - break it down a bit, I would love to see someone that does know a bit about image manipulation come on here and say "Wow Sander I totally agree with what you have done here, I see how the gamma levels show bla bla bla" hoping to see more progress on this.

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wow really enjoyed that .keep them coming .its funny how NASA thought 'well put a bit of tape here ' and a bit of paint here and yes the Minion's will never crack it. are little green man secret is safe.i mean come on. hope to see more..........first post...love the site

Well here is an interesting one as far as images go. Whether jpeg junk or not it is a bit strange to say the least.

reply to post by Ove38

You Don't Need Photoshop to make fake NASA images

No. No, you don't. You can do it all with MS Paint:

Originally posted by 1967sander
Do I have original NASA images? No, but I do have the first generation uploads.Is it now clear to you?

Don't forget, some of the guys on here are paid to pretend that you couldn't possibly have anything...