Why I DO NOT believe in aliens

Most scientists believe there is intelligent extraterrestrial life out there.

They just don't believe they visit Earth.

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. With the invention of nuclear fission we have enough of an energy source to propel and sort of propulsion device we would need.

Except the device is said to exist well before the 1940s. And nuclear power wasn't feasible for transport until the invention of the Nuclear Sub, USS Nautilus, the first nuclear submarine, in 1954. And the idea of a Nuclear Sub went as far back as 1939. It is one thing to invent something, it is another thing to perfect it to where you can use it in a more proficient manner.

It took quite a long time from the invention of steam power to where we start seeing the steam engine. Just because something got invented, doesn't it is suddenly applicable in all means or use.

Give someone enough time/money and they can make anything a reality.

Except time travel, apparently.

Its not far fetched to say with unlimited power we(humans) could launch any type of vehicle into space and it would have enough fuel to sustain itself up there for a long period of time.

Except everything we make ends up being an utter disappointment. Have you not forgotten that humans are an imperfect creature? Everything we do ends up being a mistake. Like making the Federal Reserve or taxcuts for the super wealthy.

That being said, with the advances in genetic modification/cloning it wouldn't be a far strech to also say that we could some how manipulate our own genetic structure to produce a humaniod looking creature and call it an alien.

Except cloning of human beings is:

A) Illegal.
B) Immoral.
C) Has never worked, which is actually the reason why it is illegal and immoral.

Big money rules the world and if big businesses cannot clone a Mexican to make millions of slave workers, then surely that is why it is illegal. Simply to admit they cannot do what they want and don't want someone else to achieve that same goal.

That would explain why "aliens" look like humans in most ways minus certain other features that were genetically removed.

Oh yeah... except somehow that doesn't explain how they have craft many times the size of a planet. Seriously, there are two artificial worlds located in the vicinity of orbit around our star that we wouldn't be able to detect and there is a third object, which is a massive warship located on the otherside of the Sun, which is larger than the Earth.

So what does all this lead us to believe. Well they created the craft and the species in a hope to fool everyone on earth, which most people will(prob more than 99%) for thier need/want for complete control.

Oh please that is all speculation and foolishness. You give humans too much credit. We are not that smart. We didn't even came up with nuclear fission on our own. That was all alien and the reason why aliens look so much like is because we are their genetic experiment. We are their artificial life form or clone if you will. So you've got everything backwards, pal.

It is kind of like that episode from Family Guy where Stewie makes a clone of himself and that clone is extremely stupid.

Black budgets have shown that multiple trillion dollars have been invested into sciences that the public will never know.

Yeah, it is called Project Starwars. Trying to create a missile defense shield to protect the Earth from aliens.

You are being suckered in pan to believe that this was all an elaborate ploy by our government to control us. The truth of the matter is that we are being controlled by believing our government is up to no good, not by accepting that there are aliens out there.

Think of this one mere question: "If aliens were invented by man, how come man looks so alien from any other life form on this planet?"

"Why did man lived in caves before he could evolve into living in caves?"

I'm all for alternative opinions but I don't understand your logic. How does the powers that be use the UFO phenomenon to control anyone? It's a subject of world-wide ridicule that they've helped establish and largely swept under the rug so that your everyday man and woman never gives them a second thought.

Why did you post this thread?

You tell us what you think in a hard manner to even determine, and then say you aren't even going to consider any possibilities?

Now how "logical" is that?

I think it'd be ignorant for us silly Earthlings to think that we know it all.

So yea i won't try to sway you one way or another..cause apparently that not what you're here for!

gooday

You are entitled to your beliefs, as we all are. I to believe in a creator, but it would be silly of me to think that we are the only living beings in this wide expanse of universe. I am not going to try to change your opinion, as you stated you will not. There is written and recorded history of aliens in many ancient civilizations. I do not think that TPTB of ancient times had any intention on mind control for power reasons when the information was recorded. Just my opinion.

PLPL

The author of this thread believes aliens and ufo's are man made and that TPTB with their black budget are trying to fool us. The author of this thread will not be convinced otherwise.

I know (life forms) from other planets do exist.....that has been my experience. So that is what I believe and I won't be convinced otherwise.

I have read through most of this thread and 2 words keep coming to mind...(disinformation agent)...I'm just saying.

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I dont care for those who will argue against this.

Well then I suppose that ends all discussion on it.

Why are you here?

Just pontificating?

Originally posted by caladonea
The author of this thread believes aliens and ufo's are man made and that TPTB with their black budget are trying to fool us. The author of this thread will not be convinced otherwise.

I know (life forms) from other planets do exist.....that has been my experience. So that is what I believe and I won't be convinced otherwise.

I have read through most of this thread and 2 words keep coming to mind...(disinformation agent)...I'm just saying.

I am reading and two words come to mind.

Those aren't the ones.

OP.

I think you need to start a blog rather than engage in conversation.

Do you understand how this site works? Forums are conversations. Posts that are akin to diatribe don't belong here ESPECIALLY when you state that you will not be convinced otherwise.

I feel like I've just went through Advanced Trolling 201.

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Unfortunately, the history of visiting extraterrestrials predates our technology. This is why we called them gods.

Mathematically it's impossible that we are the only living "intelligent" creatures in the vastness of the universe.

We haven't even discovered all of the species of living animals on earth yet.

I presume that the source of your conclusive evidence pertinent to "aliens" is also where the word "Sharrad" ...originates from ?

Is this new exobiological terminology ?

Because the word "Sharrad" appears to elude even the scope and knowledge of the English language that even my meager Merriam-Webster dictionary possesses ?

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There are billions of galaxies with billions of stars and large part of these stars seem to have planets orbiting them.
They have found several plausible locations for life in our own solar system, like some of the moons of jupiter and saturn that has been shown to have LIQUID oceans hidden underneath the ice.
Some of these moons has also been shown to have the organic compounds that are needed for life.

Then you also have Mars used to be much more earth like and used to have a much thicker atmosphere, warmer temperatures and liquid oceans for a extended period of time.

Why is it so hard to believe that there is life somewhere out there, when life is even found in the most hostile locations on earth??

The reason they have most likely not visited us, is because our little planet in middle of nowhere is probably NOT special and one of many. There is also this huge distance that even with our current fastest propolsion systems it would take thousands of years to reach the closest stars.

What is so special about our planet??

I'm sorry but the idea that governments have had such advanced crafts AND genetically manipulated humanoids at their service for at least the last 60 years is more ludicrous than actual aliens.

Originally posted by fishman1985
Personally I believe in an ultimate creator of the entire universe if not more and that is where our faith should be. Not in aliens and other whacked out theories.

Well it didn't take long for me to see through your ill written claim. You are obviously religious by just the statement I quoted.

Nobody WANTS you to believe in anything.. you have to choose what you believe, and no one on ATS can make that happen.

In the same rationalization, Personally, I believe in aliens visiting Earth, creating us as a slave species and that's where YOUR faith should be. Not in a book rewritten over a thousand times along with its other whacked out stories.. just sayin'.

ETA: You should do some research on both religion and the science of life in outer space and make an opinion off of what you've educated yourself on instead of reading posts on ATS. I challenge you to really delve deep and find the answer for yourself wether it be an "ultimate creator", or maybe something completely different. I'm not sure what you know, or don't know.. but assuming that you believe what you believe about zero alien existence I'm going to assume not much. No offense, but it is extremely close minded statement being scientists don't even fully understand our own solar system yet, but you're claiming aliens are impossible.. hmmm

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Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a practical joke (or impractical joke, as it may be)...

Not to mention, the sheer variety of aliens reported, types of craft, etc. really don't seem to fit your (OP) theory at all.

What possible benefit would any power have for genetically modifying humans, shooting them in space, with the hopes someone would think they are an alien?

Think of the logic in this.

Personally I believe in an ultimate creator of the entire universe if not more and that is where our faith should be

One of these things is not like the other thing, not like the other thing... (logic/ultimate creator)...



It's obvious you're using fallacious logic to derive a half-baked theory that allows you to hold fast to your beliefs and guard against the conflict that would arise from a more advanced being than man and the whole man created in God's image idea.

I'm sorry but the idea that governments have had such advanced crafts AND genetically manipulated humanoids at their service for at least the last 60 years is more ludicrous than actual aliens.

Indeed it is...

Originally posted by MrAndy
I'm all for alternative opinions but I don't understand your logic. How does the powers that be use the UFO phenomenon to control anyone?

They don't use the UFO phenomenon per se, the use the distrust people have towards the government to keep them in line.

You see, our government is a disaster. We know this and they know this. Why fight something, you inevitably don't want to change and know no one will support? So instead, like surfacing a wave, use the energy of your environment and be pulled by it to what you desire rather than opposing it.

So instead of fighting against the sentiment, the government is allowing it occur to obscure whatever they want and that allows us to be under their thumb.

It is a tactic of psychological warfare that spies commonly use to get the information they want or mislead a particular individual to the desire belief. It is sort of how we won WWII by making Adolf Hitler honestly believe there would be invasion at Normandy. Using is occult like beliefs against him. Making him believe he had super-natural powers and that allowed him to perceive there would be no Normandy Invasion and because of that we were able to invade Normandy.

It is all psychology and it is a brilliant tactic that actually works in controlling what people do and perceive.

Right now they are concocting many different theories about what is going.

A) There are no aliens, it is all delusion.
B) There are no aliens, it is all us. And don't trust your government.
C) There are aliens, but they all look like a freaking Yoshi. (Reptilian Theorists)

And all of this to create a bottleneck effect of confusion that only allows the perceived views they want and disallows any possibility of an alternative view.

It is all psychology and I must say, it is absolutely brilliant.

It's a subject of world-wide ridicule that they've helped establish and largely swept under the rug so that your everyday man and woman never gives them a second thought.

There is by no manner you can keep a secret in our advance age of information and computer technology. Sometimes it is easier to hide in plain sight than it is to be swept under the rug, because it requires less energy and people are much more persuaded by what the masses are thinking (Bandwagoning), thus if you can concoct a psychological profile and make it so prevalent that people honestly believe it is true or alternative that you desire that still keep the actual information from being known then you have effectively prevented any true disclosure of information.

I mean it is a brilliant strategy. And the best part is none of you all will ever know the truth, because of how effective it is.

Aliens is something I just simply do not know if they exist or not. UFOs I think are real because there is documentation for thousands of years. I would never say to someone that what they experienced is not real even though it may be their imagination or it may be a hoax. But I will not pass every sighting off as those.

How do we know aliens don't come in crafts without lights and how do we know that aliens don't look like us? The truth is we can only judge the universe by what we see. When we do see things that have no explanation, that does not mean it is not real. I would venture to tell you this, you probably saw aliens and did not know it. There is no proof that everything we see around us is all there is.

We believe in the natural because our five senses respond to it. As William Shakespeare said "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

Tell me this, why does a mother feel her child in pain, even though they are separated by distance? How can you know the next song about to play on the radio before it plays? How do you know who is about to call you on the phone before they do? Why do we have dreams that become real?

There is no actual evidence for a thought, but we accept they happen. Just because we can't explain them does not mean they do not exist. There is something happening, I don't know what it is, but I am not going to say it is not real because a UFO has not landed on the roof of CNN for the world to finally see.

Why I DO NOT CARE whether you believe in aliens -

because your opinion is uneducated and just a flimsy guess.

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Why I DO NOT CARE whether you believe in aliens -

because your opinion is uneducated and just a flimsy guess.

to the point, true, and funny.. thank you.

Originally posted by WarminIndy
Aliens is something I just simply do not know if they exist or not. UFOs I think are real because there is documentation for thousands of years. I would never say to someone that what they experienced is not real even though it may be their imagination or it may be a hoax. But I will not pass every sighting off as those.

How do we know aliens don't come in crafts without lights and how do we know that aliens don't look like us? The truth is we can only judge the universe by what we see. When we do see things that have no explanation, that does not mean it is not real. I would venture to tell you this, you probably saw aliens and did not know it. There is no proof that everything we see around us is all there is.

We believe in the natural because our five senses respond to it. As William Shakespeare said "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

Tell me this, why does a mother feel her child in pain, even though they are separated by distance? How can you know the next song about to play on the radio before it plays? How do you know who is about to call you on the phone before they do? Why do we have dreams that become real?

There is no actual evidence for a thought, but we accept they happen. Just because we can't explain them does not mean they do not exist. There is something happening, I don't know what it is, but I am not going to say it is not real because a UFO has not landed on the roof of CNN for the world to finally see.

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Well they look similar to us, not really the same thing as just like us. Humans don't have blue hair and gray skin and are not commonly over seven feet in height. Planetary Biologists are right to say they wouldn't look just like us, but they would be wrong to say it isn't possible for them to look similar to us.

I mean we have all this talk about Cat people and bird people, plus both creatures as they are known on earth do display common similarities of behavior similar to that of a human. Like cats are lazy little good for nothings, my goodness that is exactly what a human is. And some birds are also quite similar as being ambush predators. I mean our behavior has a lot to do with the circumstances of our diet. You are what you eat, as they say.

Needless to say, it would be foolish to say there are only silicon based life forms out there or we are the only carbon intelligence. There are many planets just like our own out there and the possibilities for evolution to occur similarly are quite profound. Plus you have a lot of unique physical structures concerning humans that look nothing like anything else on this planet.

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Why I DO NOT CARE whether you believe in aliens -

because your opinion is uneducated and just a flimsy guess.

A guess? Oh, I just guess I must be quite dumb to believe there could be anything out there. Y'all know with my moon whiskey, pick-up truck, and trusty hammer, Dixie (shot gun). I must be quite unrefine to ya'll city folk with your 50 dollar hair cuts and 2000 dollar suits and ties. Ya know.

LMFAO!!!

Originally posted by SuperSmartGuy

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Humans don't have blue hair and gray skin and are not commonly over seven feet in height.

I don't know about you, but I had purple hair one time... How do we know that aliens are not microscopic in size? Maybe all those things we think are flies are just tiny spacecraft designed to buzz around us to bug us?

Think of the old addage, "if I could be a fly on the wall", what if they are just that to take information about us?