Why I DO NOT believe in aliens

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
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The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

Prove your belief of an ultimate creator then.. I go along with you agreeing there is an ultimate creator without proof.. then I post something and you ask for proof... you want me to prove something I based on belief you have not proved yet... then you ask me to show proof of mine...

wtf

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by GmoS719

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

So if you have no proof, then what leads you to believe?
Why start a thread if you are not going to be open to opinions?

Why read a thread if all you want to do is try to argue with the op? See how easy it is to argue?

Are you sane?
Who is arguing with you?
The reason for threads is to have a discussion over the topic.
That's why there is a REPLY button.
Maybe you should just quit ATS.

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

Prove your belief of an ultimate creator then.. I go along with you agreeing there is an ultimate creator without proof.. then I post something and you ask for proof... you want me to prove something I based on belief you have not proved yet... then you ask me to show proof of mine...

wtf

Fishman is Obviously Mentally disabled.

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

Prove your belief of an ultimate creator then.. I go along with you agreeing there is an ultimate creator without proof.. then I post something and you ask for proof... you want me to prove something I based on belief you have not proved yet... then you ask me to show proof of mine...

wtf

my proof is the first law of physics, matter cannot be created or destroyed, only change forms. So where did all the matter that the universe if made of come from if it cannot be created or destroyed? It was created at some point.

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you know what the best part of this is... the people that are arguing with me have not created one thread of their own. Why is that? You dont think for yourself or you are afraid of people bashing your beliefs as you fools are doing to me now? Think about it.

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Now, now.. bitterness never solved anything.

Straight out ignorant people are bound to come here, we're not doing ourselves or them a favor by getting emotional about it.

I have to say, though this has been a most low quality thread full with futile attempts to try and constructively criticize the OP.

Just don't reply if you're opinion has already been covered so we don't perpetuate random flaming.

Originally posted by fishman1985
you know what the best part of this is... the people that are arguing with me have not created one thread of their own. Why is that? You dont think for yourself or you are afraid of people bashing your beliefs as you fools are doing to me now? Think about it.

You replied to my comment saying I was negative and that's what's wrong with this world...negativity. Yet, here you are stating that we're "fools"? How is that not negative?

Open your eyes and mind, is the existence of aliens really more far-fetched than what you believe in?

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

Prove your belief of an ultimate creator then.. I go along with you agreeing there is an ultimate creator without proof.. then I post something and you ask for proof... you want me to prove something I based on belief you have not proved yet... then you ask me to show proof of mine...

wtf

my proof is the first law of physics, matter cannot be created or destroyed, only change forms. So where did all the matter that the universe if made of come from if it cannot be created or destroyed? It was created at some point.

You say it can't be created or destroyed... then you go on and say it had to be created in the first place.....

really?? reallY??

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The Ultimate Creator created more than just humans...... It is possible we cannot perceive them and the universe appears barren to us. Just because we cannot detect them or perceive them does not mean they do not exist. It is quite possible that when we do see alleged aliens they know how to make themselvles percievable to us.

Where is your proof???

My proof is the same proof you used to prove the existence of an ultimate creator.

whoa I never tried to prove it... I said this is my belief read thoroughly please!

Prove your belief of an ultimate creator then.. I go along with you agreeing there is an ultimate creator without proof.. then I post something and you ask for proof... you want me to prove something I based on belief you have not proved yet... then you ask me to show proof of mine...

wtf

my proof is the first law of physics, matter cannot be created or destroyed, only change forms. So where did all the matter that the universe if made of come from if it cannot be created or destroyed? It was created at some point.

You say it can't be created or destroyed... then you go on and say it had to be created in the first place.....

really?? reallY??

edit on 25-10-2011 by yaluk because: (no reason given)

So what are you gonna tell me that all matter has always been here and its just random coincidence that we formed? Odds of that are spectacularly infinite to none

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Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

so you are going to tell me that an ultimate creator only made man?? Only man no other creations at all?? so because you cannot percieve something it does not exist.

Once again im not telling you what is, im telling you what I believe.... I believe its more logical that there is enough technology available now that the ptb are aliens over another lifeform... I can prove which technologies exist and show how is is more logical this way.

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

so you are going to tell me that an ultimate creator only made man?? Only man no other creations at all?? so because you cannot percieve something it does not exist.

Once again im not telling you what is, im telling you what I believe.... I believe its more logical that there is enough technology available now that the ptb are aliens over another lifeform... I can prove which technologies exist and show how is is more logical this way.

okay okay i am not even talking abotu ufos or technology or anything like that.

You believe that ulitmate creator created nothing else that is intelligent regardless if you can or cannot percieve it. lets say that all the stuff you are saying is true because i do not disagree with you at all.

i am just saying lets say all the stuff we see is technology. that aside. you still do not beleive that some where this ultimate creator did not create other intelligent life..

that is what i am getting at but you have a hard on to disprove UFOS and ET claimed to be seen on earth.. that your mind is like a fist.

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by fishman1985

Originally posted by yaluk
reply to post by fishman1985

 

so you are going to tell me that an ultimate creator only made man?? Only man no other creations at all?? so because you cannot percieve something it does not exist.

Once again im not telling you what is, im telling you what I believe.... I believe its more logical that there is enough technology available now that the ptb are aliens over another lifeform... I can prove which technologies exist and show how is is more logical this way.

okay okay i am not even talking abotu ufos or technology or anything like that.

You believe that ulitmate creator created nothing else that is intelligent regardless if you can or cannot percieve it. lets say that all the stuff you are saying is true because i do not disagree with you at all.

i am just saying lets say all the stuff we see is technology. that aside. you still do not beleive that some where this ultimate creator did not create other intelligent life..

that is what i am getting at but you have a hard on to disprove UFOS and ET claimed to be seen on earth.. that your mind is like a fist.

edit on 25-10-2011 by yaluk because: (no reason given)

in the infitismal anything is possible. Im trying to tell people that its more probable that the ET's are genitcally modified here as we have the technology for it already and have for over a decade or more.(prob more like at least 3 decades)

reply to post by fishman1985


please explain the origins of your alledged " ultimate creator "

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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please explain the origins of your alledged " ultimate creator "

We cant even explain the universe properly and you expect me to explain something even bigger than that? Way to try to set me up for failure.

reply to post by fishman1985


sir , i am not attempting to ` set you up ` in anyway - merely prompting you to contemplate fact that your belief system "addresses " the inability of current scientific models to explain a comples problem by inventing a far more complex " solution "

PS are you conversant with the god of the gaps falacy ?

I'm a bit confused OP: what would be the point of "faking" aliens? Our government does black budget stuff if there are aliens or not.

They are seen in many countries that can't afford a budget for secret anythings. What is the cause of the sightings in those countries? Are you suggesting we are flying our top-secret craft over foreign and often enemy soil, giving them a great shot at not only obtaining our best tech, but inciting a possible war?

I don't think you really thought out your theory. You say "they" are us, both craft and aliens, but give no reasons why, nor why they are seen around the world, including decades earlier, where you will never convince me we had super black project aircraft and cloned human "aliens". Your theory just doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. With the invention of nuclear fission we have enough of an energy source to propel and sort of propulsion device we would need. That was in the early 40's. Give someone enough time/money and they can make anything a reality. Its not far fetched to say with unlimited power we(humans) could launch any type of vehicle into space and it would have enough fuel to sustain itself up there for a long period of time. That being said, with the advances in genetic modification/cloning it wouldn't be a far strech to also say that we could some how manipulate our own genetic structure to produce a humaniod looking creature and call it an alien. That would explain why "aliens" look like humans in most ways minus certain other features that were genetically removed. So what does all this lead us to believe. Well they created the craft and the species in a hope to fool everyone on earth, which most people will(prob more than 99%) for thier need/want for complete control. Black budgets have shown that multiple trillion dollars have been invested into sciences that the public will never know. Just my opinion on it. Personally I believe in an ultimate creator of the entire universe if not more and that is where our faith should be. Not in aliens and other whacked out theories. They are just using that to mislead us from the real truth, that being that life is a gift and we should love every minute of it. For life no matter how hard and bad it may seem is precious and is better than non existance. For it is better to have than not correct? I would like to close by saying way to see through the sharrad that they have tried to pull over everyones eyes, and if for some reason aliens should ever be encountered, just know it is more logical to understand that we have the science to "make" these creatures more likely than the traveled through infinity to find us for whatever reason the ptb would like you to think. I dont care for those who will argue against this. Have fun because you will not sway me from my personal belief.

So let me understand this.

You believe in a magical being of whom we'd never know about other than through a book, and aliens can't possibly exist since we've never encountered them.

Furthermore you go on to say that if we ever do encounter them then it is most likely a human with genetic manipulation.

then I propose that magic, fairies and dragons all exist because I've read about them in historic lore.

You do NOT believe in Aliens, because you did NOT educate yourself :-)

please take 1 hour or 2 to visit this website, which will hopefully open your mind! rokkat.com... (Best / easier website to get the proof from Astronauts, ex-military, pilots, etc.)