Man in Scotland tied to lampost and burned to death, awful shocking murder

Originally posted by clintdelicious
There has been a brief speculation that it may be a hate crime.

"What as opposed to one of those I-really-really-like-you sort of murders?" - DCI Gene Hunt.

The above quote, although meant to be funny (on the TV show), has a lot of meaning, anyone who can do this sort of thing is just hateful.

It reminds me of a shocking story of something which happened to a friends brother some time ago in my town:

“They locked the door and pushed him into the pantry,” said Mr Grout-Smith. Over the next three hours, the defendants inflicted appalling torture on their victim, which included:
using a blow-torch on his naked buttocks;
urinating over his face;
suffocating him with a plastic bag;
slashing his face;
forcing him to eat broken glass from a light-bulb;
repeatedly kicking and punching him;
stubbing out lighted cigarettes on his legs, arms and ear.

Mr Grout-Smith described how the men, obviously “enjoying themselves,” danced and smoked as they attacked Mr Cunningham and turned up music on a stereo to mask his screams. They even made a video of the torture session on a mobile phone, the footage recording how they yelled abuse at their terrified victim. Cannon doused him in lager, ordered him to strip, and touched his lower body with live electric wires, giving him shocks for five minutes. Mr Cunningham suffered extensive injures that included fractured ribs, widespread and severe bruising, and burns to his buttocks. “They told him he would die before the morning,” Mr Grout-Smith said. “They were going to throw him in the docks, or put him in a wheelie bin and leave him there for a week. “He didn’t think he would last the night.”

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Disgusting, I went to school with one of the lads, he was a nasty piece of work back then.

This is happening more and more in this country, and it's saddening to think what your fellow man can do to another. We think the middle east is bad, and worse things are happening on our own doorstep.

Originally posted by Essan
This is the sort of murder you expect to occur in the US - what with the KKK and inner city gangs. Or maybe South Africa. But not Britain. Quite shocking.

Wow you seem to think your criminals are better educated and have more decorum than other countries , now thats funny stuff.

I didn't have the heart to read the following posts to yours OP.

Sometimes, I feel like I live in the worst place in the world until someone posts something as tragic as you have. I'm in the U.S.

Yet, I look at the African countries and feel far more fearful . Then I look at Mexico and South America.....so many graphic happenings that it is just horrifying.

It is unimaginable to me that people are hunted and killed based on anything more than a countries superstitions and religion.

We as thoughtful humans need to come together. We are the majority. Not the irreligious, superstitious, drug running, racist (we are all human), and supremacists.

Are we ever going to love one another? Do we need wealth to divide us? Do we need anything to divide us?

To this day, I say that I will never travel abroad ever again. The world is in chaos. In a hand basket heading for hell. We are too many. When we have too many, we have less respect for one another. That is a fact.

S & F.

How can being tied to a pole, beaten, and burned till dead not be a hate crime?
second line cause im nearly speechless

Originally posted by brilab45
I didn't have the heart to read the following posts to yours OP.

Sometimes, I feel like I live in the worst place in the world until someone posts something as tragic as you have. I'm in the U.S.

Yet, I look at the African countries and feel far more fearful . Then I look at Mexico and South America.....so many graphic happenings that it is just horrifying.

It is unimaginable to me that people are hunted and killed based on anything more than a countries superstitions and religion.

We as thoughtful humans need to come together. We are the majority. Not the irreligious, superstitious, drug running, racist (we are all human), and supremacists.

Are we ever going to love one another? Do we need wealth to divide us? Do we need anything to divide us?

To this day, I say that I will never travel abroad ever again. The world is in chaos. In a hand basket heading for hell. We are too many. When we have too many, we have less respect for one another. That is a fact.

S & F.

Agreed, respect goes a hell of a long way.

We've all been watching some pretty horrific things recently, the Nascar death last week, the Moto GP death this weekend, Mexico, Gaddafi and the little girl in China being repeatedly run over and ignored. Horrific scenes that we shouldn't have to see, but I think we'd better get used to it from here on in.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
For goodness sake, can't you Americans keep your fearful, paranoid hard-on for guns in check for 1 minute ?

I'll spell it out for you: w-e d-o-n'-t n-e-e-d o-r w-a-n-t g-u-n-s. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I agree there is no need to push gun propaganda down your throats.. but let's be real about the situation. Have you looked at the crime statistics for the UK recently? You guys can no longer point the finger at the U.S. for having a violent crime problem. Exceptional violence is too common.

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
That's horrible. I really hope you people in Great Britain start giving two fingers up to your government and start arming yourselves with firearms. Seriously. It's time you guys stop this yob culture that's growing over there.

Yeah because guns really stops all hate crimes in the US, doesnt it?

It would if the criminals knew that their potential victims knew they would be shot for attempting to harm them. That requires them to be armed though obviously.

If everyone carried a weapon and was trained to use it, I honestly believe there would be less crimes of opportunity.

If just one or two of the "mob" members would have been injured (weapon of choice doesn't have to be a firearm) the mob would have dispersed.

Now take that mentality and face the victim with one person....the perpetrator wouldn't even attempt the crime.

With the current laws, a "victim" usually does not have a weapon because the aquisistion of said weapon is difficult, but I be wiling to bet the perpetrator has one...why because he/she does not care one iota for the law.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3... and start arming yourselves with firearms. Seriously. It's time you guys stop this yob culture that's growing over there.

And what is that going to do? We already have hot headed individuals running about streets with knives, what are firearms going to solve?

Jesus, why does America think guns solves problems? You're a country of trigger happy, gun totting cowboys yet your govt oppresses you and you have violence and crime, murders and killings just like us and many other western countries.

I really don't see how us Brits having guns is going to solve anything. Take your guns and stick em up your backsides, they might actually do some good that way

Anyone who is the "life of the party" has demons.....he didnt deserve this...period. But, just saying that Id bet my life he had some secrets that led to this...

feel free to do this to the heads of all major banks and wall street robbers... why mess with innocent people... lame

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In Scotland? Men who wear skirts burnt a man alive for being gay?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by khimbar
How was the confiscation of legally held guns in 1998 not disarming the law abiding?

Because it legally disarmed law-abiding citizens and criminals in equal measure.

The criminality - or not - of each citizen was an irrelevance. The enacted law merely made it a criminal offence to possess a handgun. No big deal.

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So you're saying 'It wasn't disarming the law abiding as it disarmed the law abiding and criminals'? I'm sure criminals lined up to hand over their handguns.

You didn't answer my other question earlier about where you obtained your medical/pyschological qualifications?

A horrific crime, of that there is no doubt.

To the poster that mentioned we don't need guns, well my answer to that is I would carry if I could having been the victim of a couple of gang beatings in which one nearly left me dead. If I'd have had a gun it wouldn't of been me fighting for my life. Both of these occured for nothing worse than walking in the wrong place at the wrong time.

To the poster who said aren't your fists enough ? have you ever had to fight 10 people at a time, if you had you'd realise even bruce and jet li together would get there asses handed to them 9 out of 10 times.

As for british youths and violent crime being worse than their american counterparts, I've never been to America, but I can assure you a scumbag is a scumbag no matter where they're from.

according to local press reports, he wasn`t found tied to a pole or lampost as stated earlier in the news, but lying on the ground. so far, no-one has been charged with it.

Police have revealed that murder victim Stuart Walker was not tied to a post, as press reports stated. And they are still trying to establish a motive for the horrific crime. Detectives have appealed again for information to help them catch the killer or killers. The brutal murder has become a talking point across the world, thanks to social media. Meanwhile, rumours that there have been arrests have been denied. Detective Inspector John Hogg of Ayr Police Office said today: "We are still working towards identifying a motive for this murder. I am aware of all the speculation in the media regarding Mr Walker and his death. At this time we have nothing to indicate that this is a homophobic crime. Until we know the exact circumstances surrounding this murder, we will not rule anything out and will keep an open mind on any possible motive for his terrible crime. "There have also been reports that Mr Walker was tied to a post, this is not the case. He was found lying on the roadside and although we are not going to go into specific details on the cause of death, it was an extremely violent crime and our focus at this time is finding those responsible and bringing them to justice.

Originally posted by Drezden
Have you looked at the crime statistics for the UK recently? You guys can no longer point the finger at the U.S. for having a violent crime problem. Exceptional violence is too common.

Yes, I've looked at the crime statistics in the UK. Incredibly enough, I tend to form my views from analysing and objectively interpreting the data which I have available to me.

The UK has, on average, 600-700 murders per year, yet the US has 10,000+. The population of the UK is, roughly, 61 million, and the population of the USA is 315 million. 10,000 ÷ 600, does not equal x5.

Originally posted by Deplume
Wait a minute... He has a fair point.. The vile scumbags that did this probably would have pooped bricks and thought twice if faced with a gun..

If handguns were legally available in England, then I'm guessing that the ''vile scumbags'' would also have possessed these weapons, thus neutralising any advantage that a ''law-abiding'' gun-owner may have.

Originally posted by khimbar
So you're saying 'It wasn't disarming the law abiding as it disarmed the law abiding and criminals'?

Absolutely.

Originally posted by khimbar
I'm sure criminals lined up to hand over their handguns.

There's no such thing as a generic ''criminal'', no matter how much the Daily Fail would like you to believe it to be so.

People who possessed handguns, readily handed over their weapons in the gun-amnesty which ensued after the Dunblane massacre.

Originally posted by khimbar
You didn't answer my other question earlier about where you obtained your medical/pyschological qualifications?

What ''medical/psychological qualifications'' ? What are you talking about ?

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by khimbar
Speak for yourself, I'd CCW if I could and I'm in the UK.

Then you fall into the ''fearful, paranoid coward'' category of most American gun-owners.

Why, may I ask, would you wish to carry a concealed firearm on your person during your day-to-day business ?

What possible benefit would you have from doing so ? Aren't your fists good enough protection ?

Well I could answer because 'I want to' and it should be answer enough but since I doubt that will satisfy you...

My gf does wing chun kungfu. Her sifu traces his line to Ip Chun and Ip Man. He's very, very good. He has said to her that realistically if you're attacked by more than 3 or 4 people your best chance is some kind of weapon. So no, fists are not good enough protection.

I note you can tell peoples psychological states purely from one observation, may I ask where you got your professional medical qualification? Or were the inverted commas around fearful, paranoid coward to exempt these views from being your own?

Oh and Holmes regularly carried a Webley revolver I seem to recall. Will you now be changing your username so as not to be linked with him, as surely he would be a 'fearful, paranoid coward' too.

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This.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Yes, I've looked at the crime statistics in the UK. Incredibly enough, I tend to form my views from analysing and objectively interpreting the data which I have available to me.

news.bbc.co.uk...

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

So you'd have to agree from these statistics that the gun confiscation was a failure if its intent was to curb gun crime?

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The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting,

Need I say more...?