NASA wants grandma's moonrock

reply to post by DJW001


NASA gave "moon rocks" to US States and Foreign governments with the requirement that they remain the property of the government that it was given to . Several of these "gifts" are unaccounted for. Remember a few weeks ago when Arkansas's "moon rock" was found in Bill Clinton's belongings.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

So, did Neil Armstrong tell the truth when he said he didn't give anything to anybody and does that make grandma's rock a fake anyway?

Excellent question. Did "Granny" believe the rock she had was genuine? Or was it a scam? It is altogether possible that her husband, who did work for NASA, told her that it was a "real" moon rock, when in fact it was just a commemorative paperweight that he and his co-workers had made for themselves, possibly out of lunar meteorites. In any event, the $1.7 million says it all.

Originally posted by Misterlondon
so why is it ok for neil armstrong to be giving these things away?

exactly. if anyone should be arrested it's neil armstrong. if the moonrock is nasa's property like they claim, then neil armstrong stole it.

the poor grandmas thought she was still living in the 60's america. when people were still free and not mentally insane like they are now.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

NASA has made a desperate attempt to recover all these missing lunar samples.
NASA is desperate and putting Keepout Zones on the Moon to protect Apollo heritage sites.
NASA has fired 4 astronauts for taking a few envelopes into space (Scott, Worden, Irwin, Swigart).
NASA has sued Ed Mitchell for bringing back a camera that was supposed to be destroyed on the moon.

This is how a governmental department operates when it has secrets. This is not how an open government operates. What is NASA hiding on the Moon?

Hey, Sayanara! I was wondering when you'd turn up. Three out of the four examples you cite show that NASA is being consistent about enforcing its policies. This is how a government department operates when it is subject to the rule of law. An open government can only function if it subjects itself to the rule of law.

As for the "Heritage Site" recommendation, it is just that, a recommendation. What do you think NASA is hiding on the Moon?

Originally posted by Autodidactic
probably fake, like the moonrock Neil Armstrong gave to Holland.

Yeah i'm not going to lie this was my first thoughts...not that it was fake but that they don't want anyone to test the material...crazy

Only in amerika.. Disgusting nazi erm.. nasa thugs beating up grannies .. guess was no babies around to steal candy from.

Even more so doing it over a damn rock .. Pity nobody around to help grannie pummel the nazi's erm nasa... That lot needs a good thrashing..

They dont want yall finding out the moon is made of cream cheese after all!

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


I really hope not.
How long before this government bureaucracy is making those "tuttle/buttle" mistakes. Those are the ones I fear for.

reply to post by DJW001


A paper weight the size of a grain of rice?

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Why would they care so much about a rock the size of a grain of rice?

This was my thought exactly.

Note to self.

If I ever come across some real deal moon dust.............

Shhh, don't tell anyone..................

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

A paper weight the size of a grain of rice?

Read the links, please.

The strange case centers on a speck of authenticated moon rock encased in an acrylic-looking dome that appears to be a paperweight.

Link from the OP.

reply to post by DJW001

Hey, Sayanara! I was wondering when you'd turn up.

And yet you still beat them in..

regardless, this is pretty heavy handed of NASA and does make you wonder what their true motives are..

You can call consistency but a 74 year old grandma??

reply to post by DJW001


Only a criminally minded organization like NASA would attempt to re-collect all the Goodwill Moonrocks that President Nixon gifted out to the 50 states and foreign countries... There is only one reason why NASA would be so paranoid and obsessive about Granny's moon dust ............... it's terrestrial in origin DUH!

alien dna is inside...

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Yeah - it couldn't possibly be for any other reason like wanting to ensure they are only used for bona fide purposes - and of course they lock them up good and tight so no-one can possibly get any access whatsoever....

How to apply for sample of moon rock

Thin slice samples supplied to any university that wants them for advance geologic courses

...oops.....

and of course NASA didn't send out 50 goowuill rocks - it sent out 135 to foreign heads of state, and 50 to US states, of which many are still on display

double ooops!!

but hey - you keep making your claims, with no evidence whatsoever, despite teh facts showing you to be wrong, like a good little apostle.....

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Yeah - it couldn't possibly be for any other reason like wanting to ensure they are only used for bona fide purposes - and of course they lock them up good and tight so no-one can possibly get any access whatsoever....

Only 40-50 researches are allowed access to 400 grams of moon rocks per year. Science only gets .88 pounds of lunar material per year.

First - old ladies bruise easily. It happens when you get old - you get bruises simply because you've stood up too long and capillaries start busting.

Second, and I'm going to get stiff remarks from the forum population over this - but many of these people who are "abused" by agents and officers bring much of it upon themselves. If you tell three six foot tall officers; sent to you to accomplish an objective, to shove off, you'd best be prepared for them to be none too pleased.

Yes, some officers are dicks. However, most are fairly reasonable. Similarly - most people can be fairly reasonable (if not a tad bit quirky in their own ways). But, some people just decide to make a scene.

Many people, also, don't understand the "Force Continuum," the rules of using it, and the classifications of resistance.

You have presence, verbal, soft control, hard control, intermediate weapons, and lethal force. Presence is merely that - a uniform showing up tends to deter disorderly conduct - particularly in an already peaceful scenario. Verbal is - as the name implies - a verbal instruction or command. Soft controls are things like a touch or a guiding hand. Hard controls involve restraints and holds. Interim weapons are less-than-lethal methods. And lethal force is an entire chapter worth of discussion - but amounts to any action that has a reasonable chance of inflicting a substantial injury (deep laceration, dislocation, bone fracture, -death-, etc).

You have passive and active resistance that can be either disruptive or non-disruptive (and also a stage of compliance - but once that is reached, you have no reason to do anything other than apply restraints if necessary or soft controls). Passive resistances do not go any higher than soft/hard controls (no strikes or less-than-lethal weapons). Active resistances can go up to intermediate weapons until the conditions for the use of deadly force are met (capability, intent, and opportunity for the suspect to use deadly force).

This is, of course, all conditional. But what it all translates to is: "Trying to # the system will get you #ed." An officer sent to accomplish a mission will do what they can to accomplish it - it's about as simple as that. It is rare for an officer (or agent) to resort to any physical confrontation when dealing with a person who treats them with a basic amount of respect.

For whatever reason - some people seem to want to try and argue government policy with an officer, or pick that specific time to try and pick a fight over rights or some other issue. To put it bluntly - the officer would rather not be talking with you about why it's not socially acceptable to be screaming at your wife on the sidewalk at 2 in the morning (or sent on a fetch quest about some moon rock or whatever). Whatever it is that is going on in your life doesn't really matter that much to other people - they don't much care, and would like, more than anything, to stay out of it.

But - I'm rambling a bit. The point is - a lot of these cases are less a case of excessive force being used by the officers and more a case of people getting absolutely irate over nothing, and giving the officers few practical options.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Only 40-50 researches are allowed access to 400 grams of moon rocks per year. Science only gets .88 pounds of lunar material per year.

So you know and admit you are wrong .........why do you keep making these obviously false claims??

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Only 40-50 researches are allowed access to 400 grams of moon rocks per year. Science only gets .88 pounds of lunar material per year.

So you know and admit you are wrong .........why do you keep making these obviously false claims??

At certain times, lunar materials do leave their stronghold, though. NASA doles out 300 to 400 samples per year for research. To obtain materials from the lab, scientists must submit a proposal describing their work. Requests are reviewed by a NASA-appointed committee of experts in the field. “The only restriction is that it has to be quality science,” Lofgren says. The samples average about 1 g each, so “a 10-g sample would be considered monstrous, and you really have to justify it well that you need that much material,” he says.

Source davidpittman.weebly.com...

So if NASA gives out 300-400 samples and the average sample is 1g each, then it's pretty clear that NASA let's out only 400g per year. 400g = .88 pounds.