Psychic vision of schizophrenic's "demon"

Originally posted by Pointofview
I am not claiming that I have psychic powers, abilities or anything else.

However..

I've met a total of three strangers in my life that made my heart sink and skin creep so badly that it's hard to describe. Even if I don't really believe people can radiate evilness, I have no other way to describe these three random encounters. I'm over 30 years old. That means briefly 1 every 10 years. I'm glad they are not more common.

All three also seemed to hate me at first sight for seemingly no reason.

This baffles me. So much.

edit on 25/10/11 by Pointofview because: (no reason given)

This happened to me one time, I was driving from el paso to albequerque and stopped to get gas near a Rez and there was a girl that looked at me at if she wanted to rip my flesh into a billion pieces, consume it entirely and then devour my soul for dessert.

This thing was human on the outside but nothing human inside......I saw it for what it was and what it was I do not know.....but that was the only time I ever experienced the presence of evil. Up until then evil was just a concept to me.....it was never real....I know better now.

Originally posted by Pocky
reply to post by Darkblade71

 

This is the only other place that I have heard of cartoon like demons, aside from one I saw in my dreamscape, one time, a hideous one.

www.spiritlessons.com...

I saw demons around this boy, that resembled cartoon figures. There was Dragon, BoyZ, Ben 10, Pokémon, Doral, etc. "Lord, why is this boy here?" Jesus showed me a large screen of this boy's life. I saw how he would spend all of his time in front of the TV, watching these cartoons.

Jesus said, "Daughter, these animated cartoons, those movies, those soap operas that are seen daily on TV
are satan's instruments to destroy humanity...Look, Daughter how this came to be." I saw how the boy was rebellious and disobedient toward his parents. When his parents talked to him, he would run away, throwing things and disobeying them. After this happened, a car ran over him and ended his life. Jesus told me, "Ever since then, he has been in this place."

- the boy ended up in Hell

edit on 24-10-2011 by Pocky because: (no reason given)

With all do respect there is no way that God would allow a child to go to mans fictional Hell. ALL CHILDREN are considered innocent and therefore only find heaven. Hell is a man made fantasy and for the most part a mistranslation in the English bible. We are the children of God and God will never suffer anyone to an eternal torment. There will ne the lake of fire after the great white throne judgement. This will all take place at the end of the millenial rein of Christ.

As far as the demon in the original post, I believe that some mental illnesses Re actually demon induced and the fact your guy dabbled in the occult makes it a possibility . That is one weird demon though , I personally think it was the guy projecting his duality struggling with his sexuality that you picked up on. Oh and by the way that made me laugh real hard picturing that figure in my mind.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Frira

 

No. I was referring to the ranting list of sins of modern Jews and Christians embracing secularism-- apparently because they read without numeric understanding

Oh..ok, thanks for describing my posts as "rantings". And it has nothing at all to do with a lack of "numeric understanding". Infact, many secular gnostic Jews - who follow a "reform" Judaism subscribe to the hidden mysteries of the Hebrew language.



Again, shows how little you know.

But the discussion moves toward a dead end-- I know from experience. Coming soon to a post near me is something to the effect of "because in Hebrew the numeric value of 'angel' and the numeric value of 'dark' are both prime numbers, then we are to understand Angels and darkness are related in a metaphysical way." And when that happens-- and it has-- the conversation comes to a screeching halt.

What on earth are you talking about?? Youre a little bit of a headcase Frira. I never once said that - so i dont know where you get "and it has". Dont believe me? fine. There are HUNDREDS of books on gematria and i am not the first person to refer to this.

Ancient Jewish Rabbinic writings from as far back 200 BCE, like Sepher Yetzirah and Bahir, talk about this. Its an ANCIENT system, inherent to the Mosaic tradition. Not only is it ancient, but all languages possess to some degree or another a metaphysical dimension at the level of numerology. Koine Greek, Aramaic, Arabic, English...

All that may be valid, but the sense of it fails to be delivered. That you disparage contrary views and have a medieval cipher as THE support for your statements of certainty that your view is correct... Where do we go?

Honestly. WTF are you talking about? This has got to be one of the worse posts i have ever seen you write. My mention of gematria was parenthetical to my post. It wasnt an argument; just an interesting dimension to Hebrew that i thought you would have the mental capacity to understand and appreciate. Clearly, it is too annoying for you to accept. It is something i encounter often with Catholic, Muslims - - essentially anyone who subscribes to a thick dogma that allows for nothing that could jeapordize their faith in it.

Do me a favor, Frira. I'll ignore you, and you can ignore me. These replies annoy the hell out of me and given your replies to me - i seem to annoy you. So lets spare ourselves further annoyance and ignore each other. Because clearly you sdont know how to disagree without offending the person youre speaking with at a personal level ie; my posts are "rantings", misrepresenting my arguments to make me look idiotic - ala saying that 'gematria' was my argument for why reform isnt true Judaism. REREAD over my post. I never made that argument. I made a sane and logical argument for why Reform is not Judaism. If you dont like it, fine, ignore.

and BTW - i am not against secularism. But at the same time, i do not grovel before its doctrine as if it were the only truth. Maybe to a Christian - tied to the ancestoral consciousness of ancient Rome - it is a truth. But to a Jew - and for that matter, Muslims aswell, secularism makes no sense, because has played no part within their history nor their scriptures. Both Islam and Judaism, are theocratic religions. Halacha - lit. "way to walk", is designed to eliminate from the unconscious of the people lower tendencies, or tendencies strengthened by the secular mentality, associated with Non - Jewish religions.

So you could call me a libertarian, i guess. I am both conservative and liberal. Liberal, in that i dont reject secularism, but also conservative, in that i acknowledge the beauty and worth in the state being used as an instrument to enforce the laws of religion. I guess you could say im even more liberal - that is, accepting of differring views, because i dont reject those views which disagree with my own. While you get all cranky the instant someone disagrees with your own belief in the truth of secularism ie; dualism.

Th

edit on 26-10-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

My, but that was a lot of typing about ignoring each other!

It had plenty of the usual disparagement of all others who hold different views. That was my point in my previous post, but I said it so nicely, it flew right over your head.

Next time I tell you to "get a clue or bugger off," I'll be more direct and say it plainly.

And after your vulgarizing, let me remind you, piss-ant, this is how I offered my view contrary to you:

DontReally suggested demons as broken psyches; but I consider them angels in rebellion

You, then, have responded with name calling, disparagement, stereotyping and generally had a temper tantrum ever since.

You know, like this:

Again, shows how little you know.

Yep. It was "again" that you wrote so. And again, and again and again, that you claim any view contrary to yours to be the result of inferiors daring to disagree.

reply to post by Frira

And after your vulgarizing, let me remind you, piss-ant

LOL! Youre a funny guy Frira. Quite two faced. Thanks for reminding me why i left Catholicism.

've always been unimpressed by the metaphysics of Gnostics. Why not say what you mean? The secret of your blessed "unity" is hypocrisy. Uniting good and evil thrugh the mystery of Hypcoricy. Quite sacred. Quite deep. And pathetic, and unimpressive, and not worthy of being perpetuated on this earth. The Church - that sordid empire of debauchery - will be destroyed. Christianity may in fact persist, but the gnostic aspect, the "depraved in private" "good in public" aspect, let that die. My sister - a catholic - doesnt realize how her church is. Ive explained it to her, but cognitive dissonance prevents her from accepting the sad, dissolute, naked truth.

Yep. It was "again" that you wrote so. And again, and again and again, that you claim any view contrary to yours to be the result of inferiors daring to disagree

Welcome to ATS Frira, where every individual has their own - unique - point of view. Im sorry this offends you so much. There are likey, very plausibly, going to be times when someone contradicts your own beliefs! .. Crazy eh? Not everyone need reply with "piss ant" remarks, but apparently, those of us with anger problems, such as yourself, do.

What really seems to offend you so much is that you absolutely worship Gnosticism. I can tell by your posts. You really embrace the duality of it all. And when i come around and simply point out that Reform Jews are sneaky, duplicitous Gnostics seeking to eradicate the millenia old Rabbinic Judaism to "reinvent' it, in the mold of philosophia perennis, you get offended. You feel as if the ultimate truth of Christs teachings - gnosticism - and his teaching that "render unto ceaser that which is ceasers" is being challenged. And by a "Jew lover" ewwww...Right? Now i can see How catholics in Nazi Germany colluded with the Nazi regime. Not all of course; some loved life and goodness more then they did the reprehensible doctrine of 'the end sanctifies the means'.

Hey, if you dont want to be Jewish - convert!! Thats what a normal, sound minded, and MORAL, person would do. No. These gnostic nihilistic Jewish radicals, these nutjob socialists calling themselves Jews, will not rest at that. They must also destroy the Judaism that has been practiced by true God fearing, respectable and honest Jews for millenia. It is repulsive that they do this. I could never and will never align myself with such invidious behavior. It offends me. Thank God that i am too compassionate a person to fall for such evil..

Now, we may ignore each other. I just want the last word

Consider the inverse of your accusations. I am apparently "intolerant" of other beliefs. Well, you likewise are intolerant of people intolerant of secularism; which initself perpetuates those lower emotions; lust, greed, salaciousness, etc.

Do you get that?

Thats all i am trying to point out. A Jew can be a Jew but he cannot honestly claim to be a "rabbi" - a master - when he has veered from the Rabbinic tradition. It wouldnt make anymore sense then some goof claiming to be the pope, establishing his own church, and gaining a following, all the while he teaches anti-christian beliefs.

A tolerant society is a society that appreciates diversity. I dont mean diversity in secularism - as if secularism is the universal medium in which diversity is to be experienced and appreciated. No. Christians recieved their own unique revelation, and if that revelation involves a Gnostic dualism. Fine. God willed it. The Christian prefers to look past the temporal and finite and experience the undifferentiated godhead. I completely understand that and to a degree, i am accepting of it - this despite what i said above, which was more to counter your attitude then to express an opinion i honestly held.

Islam and its Shari'a - as long as human beings arent being violated, or their God-given rights trampled upon, what does it matter to you - the ignoramus - whether a Muslim woman whereas a hijab? you dont appreciate the esoteric wisdom behind that. Likewise, you dont appreciate - being ignorant - the esoteric significance of Jewish law - halacha - all of which is based on the Kabbalah. A person who truly lives and practices Judaism according to the inner wisdom, and knows and understands the intrinsic essence of the religion he follows, who you are you to say he is wrong?

That is essentially what youre saying when you asininely complain that i am 'offending people of a differring belief'. We all have differring bliefs! My interest is not to separate, but to unite! But that unity should be understood within the context of separation, differences, and a respect for each individual culture, religion, language and race.

The only thing i can honestly aver to have a universal importance is whats called in Judaism the "Noahide laws" -which are: dont murder, dont steal, dont commit sexual offences (rape, adultery, homosexuality, incest, beastiality, anal sex) dont harm animals or nature, dont blaspheme Gods name (that is, respect the power of speech, and the 'names' of God, which is everything, since everything serves as an intermediary and symbol between man and God. Each thing is thus the 'speech' of God, and a "name" in which he expresses himself), and dont commit idolatry - which means dont be superficial. Understand the higher meaning and purpoe of life.

Noach - Noah in Hebrew, means rest. This is not some play of words. Its an archetypal process. In order for mankind to find rest they must act with the basic degree of decency. for instance, dont just rashly call someone a "piss-ant" - like some degenerate army vet with a mental problem. Be kind, and cautious - that is, circumspect. This is what wisdom ultimately means.

You dont get this understanding from Christian commentaries. Why? Because they dont know Hebrew - the only language the pentetauch and prophetic writings can be understood. Or they want to 'reinvent' it, which is what hellenists were fond of (philo, for example), and the Christian fathers continued.

Judaism outside of Tradition - Kabbalah (which lit. means "recieved", and in the Talmud, is understood in the sense of 'tradition') is meaingless crap. Pointless, and the Jewish version of evangelicalism. Theres no depth, no consistency, and if theres mysticism - its interposed on a substance that is not consonant with its intrinsic form.

So sad that Christians pontificate about the 'inner meaning' of scriptures, when the only inner meaning they possess is the new testament - gospels, pauline letters etc. If theyre of the Gnostic persuasion, they know very little about the metaphysics of the Hebrew Bible. When they read a name - they see it only as a name, and not an archetype involved in a metaphysical process.

I've gotten in so many arguments with Catholics. ANNOYING....... Especially when they rant about th catholic church being the "new Israel". Friggen people cant even understand the basic Pesht (simple sense) of the Torah.

reply to post by Noey777

As far as the demon in the original post, I believe that some mental illnesses Re actually demon induced and the fact your guy dabbled in the occult makes it a possibility . That is one weird demon though , I personally think it was the guy projecting his duality struggling with his sexuality that you picked up on. Oh and by the way that made me laugh real hard picturing that figure in my mind.

Yeah, I have no idea what to call it other than odd. I am not sure if it was his own creation or if it came from outside. Because of the images, IE Split duality, male childs toy and female cartoon, I kind of think it was a fractured personality. From what I saw later, it would seem thats what was happening to him.
Now since he was messing around in the occult, well, I believe that some things do work and mental illness is one of the dirty tactics used by ill intended spirits.
This is something I understand as the same thing as what a classic "curse" is.
The person is tormented by dark energies.
As someone said earlier on in the thread, if done wrong, mystical arts can cause madness.
I believe that to be true personally.
Things can backfire.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Frira

 

And after your vulgarizing, let me remind you, piss-ant

LOL! Youre a funny guy Frira. Quite two faced. Thanks for reminding me why i left Catholicism.

And thank your for reminding me why I never embraced insanity.

I was friendly, your were nasty, and then you expected friendliness?

I noticed you took out the quote from me which riled you so-- I offered my own opinion while crediting yours without disparagement. How dare I?!

And, didn't you just write eight paragraphs about why you were ignoring me? Try harder. Hurling insults at you can be fun-- but it is like teasing the village idiot-- it is simply not sporting.

've always been unimpressed by the metaphysics of Gnostics. Why not say what you mean? The secret of your blessed "unity" is hypocrisy. Uniting good and evil thrugh the mystery of Hypcoricy. Quite sacred. Quite deep. And pathetic, and unimpressive, and not worthy of being perpetuated on this earth. The Church - that sordid empire of debauchery - will be destroyed. Christianity may in fact persist, but the gnostic aspect, the "depraved in private" "good in public" aspect, let that die. My sister - a catholic - doesnt realize how her church is. Ive explained it to her, but cognitive dissonance prevents her from accepting the sad, dissolute, naked truth.

Yeah, you were getting harangued by some Gnostics on a couple threads I was on. I tried to support you, but you confused me with one of your attackers and went off into name calling-- I yanked your chain, then, too. That pattern will repeat-- because I am not changing. If you don't like having your chain yanked, don't snarl at me.

Yep. It was "again" that you wrote so. And again, and again and again, that you claim any view contrary to yours to be the result of inferiors daring to disagree

Welcome to ATS Frira, where every individual has their own - unique - point of view. Im sorry this offends you so much. There are likey, very plausibly, going to be times when someone contradicts your own beliefs!

.. Crazy eh? Not everyone need reply with "piss ant" remarks, but apparently, those of us with anger problems, such as yourself, do.

What planet are you on? You got the "piss-ant," not just because it is true, but because I had enough of your insults, and it was time hurl back.

I addressed another post, mentioned your ideas without diminishing its value, and then gave my ideas. You responded by OT negation of everything I wrote and a list of heresies, sins, and evils of Jews and Christians who do not accept your numerology. I objected, and you started hurling insults. I yanked your chain.

Learn how to behave. Better yet, follow your own pledge, and ignore me. You jumped in where you were not needed and did so to negate me. No reason for it, don't do it again-- you can debate me, but don't just trample on my posts. Just ignore my posts-- or pretend to.

What really seems to offend you so much is that you absolutely worship Gnosticism. I can tell by your posts. You really embrace the duality of it all. And when i come around and simply point out that Reform Jews are sneaky, duplicitous Gnostics seeking to eradicate the millenia old Rabbinic Judaism to "reinvent' it, in the mold of philosophia perennis, you get offended.

How could anyone be offended by that gracious, tolerant statement? Do you read what you write? Such statements are worthless to discussion (thus "pissant"=insignificant). Discussion doesn't work that way-- no matter how well read you are.

No, what offends is your name-calling and demonizing every opponent.

...Nazi Germany ...reprehensible doctrine ......if you dont want to be Jewish - convert!! ...radicals, ...nutjob socialists calling themselves Jews...repulsive ...invidious behavior. ...

Thank God that i am too compassionate a person to fall for such evil.

Read the words you wrote and then explain "compassionate." I dare you!

Besides, according to you:

* I was Catholic at the start of your post-- and you consider Catholics evil.
* I was Gnostic in the middle of your post -- and you consider Gnostics evil.
* It appears I am Jewish at the end of your post-- and you consider Jews evil.

I don't think that you think straight.

Now, we may ignore each other. I just want the last word

edit on 26-10-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

Well of course you want to hurl the last insult-- Who doesn't?

hello everyone...i am gonna go ahead and jump in here ,i am a psychic medium,wiccan and i while i do believe there are things in this universe that are evil,i always look for the best in people...and Darkblade, i have had some pretty weird experiences myself,sometimes they are self-explanatory,other times they make you wanna sit in the corner and rock back and forth because you can't comprehend....when i am struck with a vision i just let go and let it have it's way with my mind and then write it down while it's still fresh that way i can take my time trying to figure it out...most of the time mine seem like waking dreams,and anything that really sticks in my mind gets special attention,like the six-foot he-man with a betty boop head,lots of people with mental illnesses only have specific brain development...they may have the comparison comprehension of a child yet seem adult-like in other ways,they create these images in their minds using things that represent something to them,and yes i believe the Tulpa theory, i grew up with a guy that has the mentality of a six year old and every time i see him i see his "better half" or how he thinks everyone wants him to be...he spent most of his childhood hearing people talk about what he would never be so he started creating his alter ego to protect himself. He has never told anyone about this,but the first time i saw it i asked him and he told me about his "better half"...needless to say i cried myself to sleep that night and tried to figure out a way to keep it from taking over his life...i am still trying to figure that out....*sigh*

reply to post by chuckiesgirl73


Thank you very much for that

That is exactly the kind of feedback I need.

The tulpa concept is totally new to me, but it seems to fit very well.

So after much thought, and considering many different viewpoints I slept on this subject.

My conclusion:

Due to this man's mental illness, as he has a history of schizophrenia, and his meddling in "dark arts", I believe he created a Tulpa through sheer will and thought.

I think his schizophrenic mind allowed this to be created much more easy that what it would normally take, because a shattered mind is already open with no defenses and willing to accept and grasp any concept that happens to leak into the mind.

I do not know if he himself has read about tulpas, if he had, it would be much more easy for him as well as his mind already generates "false selves". From what I understand of tuplas, they are thought forms that take "physical" form, meaning they actually create a mental body within the mind of the host they haunt. I am sure it is much more complicated, but I do not want to over-analyze.

So then, I guess my question would be, how do you get rid of such beings? Should you even try?

reply to post by Darkblade71


Tiamat is a Summarian primordial creation goddess/chaos monster, linked to salt water, mentioned in the Enuma Elish (epic of creation). She was the mother of the elder deities as well of a number of monsters - dragons, serpents, scorpian men.

Her husband, Apsu, sometimes linked to fresh water, was captured by the yonger deities and killed after they learned that he became angry with the younger gods and planned to destroy them. Her son Kingu told her and was elevated as her husband. She birthed the monsters to make war on the younger deities. Marduk was made leader of the younger deities and charged with leading the younger gods to victory over Kingu and Tiamat.

Tiamat was killed by Marduk:

"And the lord stood upon Tiamat's hinder parts,
And with his merciless club he smashed her skull.
He cut through the channels of her blood,
And he made the North wind bear it away into secret places."

Marduk cut Tiamat in half, making the vaults of heavon and earth from her ribs. Her weeping eyes were made into the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Her tail was made into the milky way.

There really isn't any description that would suggest what she looked like, although some believe that she was a dragon or serpent.

That's freaky. Yesterday I was looking at the trending now thing on Yahoo and I thought one said schizophrenic dream and when I clicked on it, it looked like the search/post said something like "a dream of a schizophrenic" but then I lost it because I realized it said schizophrenic drug not dream. But that seems to happen a lot to me where I'll see words in writing that aren't really there, like I'll be reading a book and I see my name but then I blink and it says something like "John knew the monster was behind the door."
So ever since yesterday I've been having this thought in the back of my head of could a person/psychic see the embodiment/symbol/creature that is schizophrenia?
And I happened to get to this thread by accident. I clicked on the wrong bookmark and as I was getting ready to leave I happened to see this and went "weird."

reply to post by Pocky


That website goes from talking about Pope John Paul II being in hell, makes a stop at Michael Jackson then gets to the demonic power of Pokemon.

Seems perfectly reasonable.

reply to post by tinfoilsrule


That is weird!

Well,I hope this thread answers your question.
I would say, from what I experienced that yes, a psychic can see a schizophrenic's schizophrenia.

reply to post by jroberts227


Thank you for the extra info on Tiamat

I think that in his mind, that is what he saw, Tiamat in what ever form his mind generated her as.
What I saw was something different than what he was seeing, I believe I saw the true form of his illness is some fashion.
Interesting none the less.

reply to post by Frira

And thank your for reminding me why I never embraced insanity.

Umm.. ok

I was friendly, your were nasty, and then you expected friendliness?

Do you want to look over the sequence of posts? What youre calling nasty is me just expressing my own opinion about secularism.

Then you become the first to reply with something unequivocally "nasty" :

ranting list of sins of modern Jews and Christians

What you call "ranting sins of modern Jews and Christians" (i actually didnt refer to Christians. You just made the connection because Christians because "jesus" - if he isnt just a metaphysical character - was the first "Jew" to depart from authentic Jewish religion) is me just explaining how modern Jewish theologians are really just Jews expressing an essentially non-Jewish theology. This apparently is "nasty" to you. Talk about exagerration! Apparently with you, people arent allowed to disagree.

Yeah, you were getting harangued by some Gnostics on a couple threads I was on. I tried to support you, but you confused me with one of your attackers and went off into name calling-- I yanked your chain, then, too. That pattern will repeat-- because I am not changing. If you don't like having your chain yanked, don't snarl at me.

Are you serious? Please show me where i "began the name calling"? I am not a person who easily succumbs to the type of comments that you willingly, and with seeming excitement, throw at me. "Piss-ant" - i really cannot remember if ive been called something so ferociously hateful. Where did i call you something equal to that insult?? Im not like that, frira. I really do make an effort to be conscious - to be patient, and not succumb to anger and hate as easily as you apparently do.

What planet are you on? You got the "piss-ant," not just because it is true, but because I had enough of your insults, and it was time hurl back.

With you - how cant i insult you? Apparently asserting my own opinion about secularism is enough for you to hyper-interpret as an attack on anyone who believes in secularism. And yet the converse - your own attitude towards a conservative morality - Torah, Judaism etc, is not offensive. Amazing how double minded you are. Again, i really do think the idea of 'hypocricy' is an essential aspect of some peoples philosophy, even if they refuse to see it as such. This being a natural result of subscribing to a doctrine of engaging good and evil; evil finds a place in you, plants its seeds, and sneaks its way through, without the conscious mind judging and seeing it for what it is: a profanation of truth, a nullification of conscience. If my religion is anything, its based on conscience. And i consider piss-ant comments a tad too drastic, a tad too much of a concession to the evil of egotism.

I addressed another post, mentioned your ideas without diminishing its value, and then gave my ideas. You responded by OT negation of everything I wrote and a list of heresies, sins, and evils of Jews and Christians who do not accept your numerology. I objected, and you started hurling insults. I yanked your chain.

Ok. Youre clearly one of those "im a mystic" type people who doesnt see morality as having much imput in the mystical experience. I told you once, and then i tol you again, and you WELL KNOW - but still you continue with this pathetic defamation that i based my argument on Numerology. Shame - shame. Eat it, taste it, frira. Because the soul of man judges each person according to the justice of his actions. You know thats not true - yet you continue - in your depraved and distorted logic, to say that its "numerology" that makes me dismiss the non-Jewish theology of Reform and Conservative theologians. Seriously. It is so wrong, so unnecessary - and this is precisely why i reject Christianity. I dont feel Christianity is as moral as Judaism - and you show me why. You do a major disservice to those true God fearing Christians who have the sensibility, and the HONESTY - the intellectual INTEGRITY - to not lie this way. You are lost in a desert of the "end justifies the means" - that you can lie, and misrepresent my argument, and convince yourself that it is "justified" because i am attacking your hallowed and idolatrous doctrine of secularism.

Learn how to behave. Better yet, follow your own pledge, and ignore me. You jumped in where you were not needed and did so to negate me. No reason for it, don't do it again-- you can debate me, but don't just trample on my posts. Just ignore my posts-- or pretend to.

Its especially surprising that you say this. I quoted your post first, at the beginning of this thread when i commented "cool story". I actually said something kind!

reply to post by Frira

How could anyone be offended by that gracious, tolerant statement?

Oh please. I call it as it is. If someone goes behind someone elses back and works to destroy him - im gonna point out his evil and despise it in the harshest terms i can. That is unity - that is how the mind - the conscience - and the body - are united. That is UNITY in the truest and simplest sense. I do not subscribe to this relativism that ignores - and therebyr sanctions, evil behavior. You apparently do, an whats even more amazing, is you chastize someone who is offended and disgusted by people who are swamped in their "mysticism" - completely irreverent to basic morality. That is a machination of mans own evil inclination; the Satan leads someone further and further away from his spiritual correction - and the correction of this world - both mans collective unconscious and physical reality, becase you dont like people who stress issues of morality.

Your metaphysics is floppy and careless. My mysticism - my spiritual life - is structured around a sane and just system of metaphysics. It begins by building a structure - something that is so sorely ignored by mystics who think touching the Godhead is all thats needed. As if God the creator doesnt expect anything from us. Hence, the uniqueness of Judaism. It touches that same Godhead - EHYE - but it also doesnt indiscriminately impress the void and nothingness of the above on a world of multiplicity below. Evil is still evil. The mind even if it touches infinite still has to account for the forms created below. MULTIPLICITY has a reason for existing.

I was Catholic at the start of your post-- and you consider Catholics evil.

I never said catholics were evil. The catholic Church - the institution - is evil. In addition, i know many beautiful and loving catholics. My sister, my sisters priest, my parents, my grandmother, i can go on and on expressing my love for Catholics. I also appreciate some Catholic theologians. Nevertheless, some Catholics ive noticed can be very stubborn and dogmatic. Some are also the most seething anti-Jewish, anti-Judaism type people i have ever encountered. The sheer fact of Judaisms existence seems to be an offense to them - as it appears to be to you. And, knowing your connivance, i mean Judaism as in the last 2500 years; Talmud, Midrashim, and Rabbinic writers. Not the heretical Reform movement of the early 1800s. OK?

It appears I am Jewish at the end of your post-- and you consider Jews evil

You know i think straight. It is you - the liar two minded gnostic - who doesnt think straight. You cannot even do justice to your argument by arguing honestly. You lie, over and over again. Shame on you Frira. I've lost all respect that i once had for you.

sorry for interuppting your little tirade here people...but this is not the religion thread...if you want to argue about religion and wether organized religion is evil..please take it elsewhere..the rest of us are trying to discuss something.

reply to post by chuckiesgirl73


I know, I feel like the thread was hi-jacked.

Well at least I got something out of it. ty to all!