Fluoride in toothpaste okay...but why water?.

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reply to post by Americanist


Oh boy....tell you what grab a large bottle of salt and put it in the same amount of water.....nuff said....

and another thing that vid you linked to is not about fluoridation itself rather its about where it comes from and the lack of product control.

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

Oh boy....tell you what grab a large bottle of salt and put it in the same amount of water.....nuff said....

It gets cloudy, but doesn't clump... So I'll ask you, until you've provided an answer (or perhaps remove yourself from the thread).

The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

Are you claiming liquid is being added or a powder form to our water supply?

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

Oh boy....tell you what grab a large bottle of salt and put it in the same amount of water.....nuff said....

and another thing that vid you linked to is not about fluoridation itself rather its about where it comes from and the lack of product control.

edit on 23-10-2011 by Aletheia007 because: (no reason given)

Now you've approached the common sense wavelength. The issue is primary about product control. Industrial byproduct enters our food and water supply needlessly... From tainted tap to mercury laced HFCS. A rational mind tends to induce a healthy body. Not everyone can babysit you like your mother or a coach...

reply to post by Americanist


Apparently, you don't understand that your RO system doesn't filter the air you breathe, nor the food you eat. It's also a waste of time trying to convince you that you are exposed to fluorides all day, every day of your life. They are ubiquitous in nature.

So, you go ahead and think you're "fluoride free" because of some expensive piece of equipment under your sink. But the truth is you're not. So, how do you keep it from affecting you?

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by Americanist

 

Apparently, you don't understand that your RO system doesn't filter the air you breathe, nor the food you eat. It's also a waste of time trying to convince you that you are exposed to fluorides all day, every day of your life. They are ubiquitous in nature.

So, you go ahead and think you're "fluoride free" because of some expensive piece of equipment under your sink. But the truth is you're not. So, how do you keep it from affecting you?

It beats tin-foil hats as you so eloquently added. And if you're questioning my research, I invite anyone... The facts to set me apart from you in this particular case:

1. I didn't trivialize exposure at any point throughout the thread.
2. I saved up and bought an RO system and shower filtration head.

Phosphate mining and the subsequent gases released aren't entirely ubiquitous to nature are they?

To answer your question in broader capacity... I've petitioned my local and state officials to stop dumping trash in tap water (providing reference/ source material). What steps have you taken besides #1 on the list?

reply to post by Americanist

i tell you this shall since u r the one suffering from ignorance. Fluorine cannot be found on this planet in its pure state, It has to be bonded with another element. Fluorine is a gas highly toxic and yet its an element the body needs. So trying to make yoursself fluorine free will only harm your health. As far as I know its the liquid that is added to the water supply the powered form is used to make tablets and other applications like toothpaste.

Do you fully understand that? This thread is not about other metals getting into the water its about whether or not the water supply we have is safe to drink because of the flouridation. And it is safe as it been chemically proven that artifical addition of fluoride using the liquid form is not any different from the chemical make up found in naturally occuring water
supplies.


Now why dont you run back to mommy saying you been really truly spanked.

reply to post by Americanist


Your research is entirely inadequate.

Keep digging. There is a lot you are missing, either by mistake or intentionally.

reply to post by ApplesOnFire

if it strengthens teeth why do they sell toothpaste which hardens enamel if regular toothpaste has enamel hardening properties AKA "sodium fluoride"

Probably because the toothpaste that claims that it hardens enamel more so than regular toothpaste is telling a few porkies. Fluoride is involved in the formation of fluorapatite, which is a naturally occurring component of enamel.

if fluoride helps prevent cavities and mouthwash ensures that why do they need to add it to the public water supply if we already have toothpaste and mouthwash

Extra protection I would presume. You only brush your teeth 2 or 3 times a day, which would probably allow time between brushes where you would be more susceptible to tooth decay.

fluoridated water isnt that like drinking mouthwash?

Not quite. The amount of fluoride found in mouthwash compared to the amount you would find in a water supply would be very different, by the orders of several magnitudes.

and many articles on google suggest that it is also bio-accumulative and gets absorbed by the skin of any living creature or plant life

Depends on the compound. The toxicity of sodium fluoride, for a 70 kg male, is between 5 and 10 g. When you compare that to how much you would typically find in toothpaste/ mouthwash and the water supply, you will see that it is vastly different.

There have been estimates that have placed the amount of fluoride consumed from tap water was round about 30 mg per day. If you compare that to the toxicity of sodium fluoride that I provided in the previous paragraph you can get a rough idea of how much water you would have to consume to die from sodium fluoride toxicity. You would probably die from hyponatraemia before you died from sodium fluoride.

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by ApplesOnFire

 

Do you drink toothpaste, or is it used topically? I apologize for answering a question with another question, but in this case it's the common sense approach.

edit on 23-10-2011 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

Am I sidebusting? oh well sometimes it is irresistable.

Are you insinuating that absorption only happens by ingestion?

I hope we agree that orally, chemicals are absorbed even when toothpaste is not swallowed.

Originally posted by TheComte
Yay, another fluoride thread. Another opportunity for clowns to spread that ignorance around.

You're an MD? Yeah, right. Traditional Chinese medicine, that explains it. Please, expound away.

Bet you all didn't know that oceans give off hydrogen fluoride and that people living on the coasts breathe in fluoride constantly. Didn't think so.

Fluorides are practically everywhere in nature. They've been around as long as the planet has. Still waiting for the anti-fluoridationists to tell everyone how they manage to shield themselves from the so-called effects, while everyone else is "dumbed-down." Perhaps it is the tin foil hats?

Can't wait for some clown to come in and say the Nazis used it. LOL

Do you not even bother to read the warning labels on toothpaste? All toothpastes containing fluoride warn to keep the toothpaste out of reach of children and not to swallow? Doesn't it seem just a little bit odd to you that toothpaste manufacturers are warning their customers not to swallow the paste they are using to brush their teeth with?

Now, look for some toothpaste without fluoride - easier said than done - and try to find any warning label at all on those brands.

What is the difference? Fluoride.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


this question is easily answered. Tooothpaste has a high dosage of fluoride more that what water holds. The reason they do this is because you only brush your teeth 2 times a day limiting the dosage. Not only that but you dont drink toothpaste and therefore any excess is spitted out once you brushed your teeth..yes some fluoride might get absorbed but unlikely its real function is to harden the enamel giving greatr protection against decay..

Originally posted by rebeldog

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by ApplesOnFire

 

Do you drink toothpaste, or is it used topically? I apologize for answering a question with another question, but in this case it's the common sense approach.

edit on 23-10-2011 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

Am I sidebusting? oh well sometimes it is irresistable.

Are you insinuating that absorption only happens by ingestion?

I hope we agree that orally, chemicals are absorbed even when toothpaste is not swallowed.

We agree I can assure you. As I said earlier... I have an RO system and filtration head for the shower. I also buy fluoride free toothpaste (Tom's brand). I've substantially cut down the exposure.

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by Americanist

 

Your research is entirely inadequate.

Keep digging. There is a lot you are missing, either by mistake or intentionally.

You're the one citing Nazi's and tin-foil hats... I've gone out and achieved a cleaner lifestyle with my knowledge.

I use this the toothpaste here, bought in the health food store: www.greenbeaver.com/

It is flouride free and contains no SLS. Very nice and I often drop in oil of oregano with it. I also will use baking soda and oil of oregano in coconut oil.

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

i tell you this shall since u r the one suffering from ignorance. Fluorine cannot be found on this planet in its pure state, It has to be bonded with another element. Fluorine is a gas highly toxic and yet its an element the body needs. So trying to make yoursself fluorine free will only harm your health. As far as I know its the liquid that is added to the water supply the powered form is used to make tablets and other applications like toothpaste.

Do you fully understand that? This thread is not about other metals getting into the water its about whether or not the water supply we have is safe to drink because of the flouridation. And it is safe as it been chemically proven that artifical addition of fluoride using the liquid form is not any different from the chemical make up found in naturally occuring water
supplies.


Now why dont you run back to mommy saying you been really truly spanked.

edit on 23-10-2011 by Aletheia007 because: (no reason given)

Liquid form as far as you know? Now that's been proven false with powder being added to tap. Yes, fluoride is not a single chemical entity as it normally exists... It's only one part of a more complex chemical compound. Are we supposed to believe the remainder of what you've mentioned with metal capture? Hardly. HFCS fits in this same category.

It's safe by your standards, so the last point I'll make with you here.. Since fluoride is already naturally occurring, we won't need the phosphate industry to aid nature in supplying an abundance of tainted anything. These chemicals serve as toxins. They also accumulate in the body via multiple sources. Check the poison control on a tube of toothpaste. My grandmother had both her hips replaced. I would expound on the negative impacts over bone development and density, but I'm nearly positive you'd pass this off as nature doing her thing.

reply to post by Americanist


Ok I have enough of listening to your senseless ramblings. You havent put no thought into what you have been writing nor have you bothered to read the link i posted in my 1st post. The fluoride we use is not some byproduct of fertilisers industry. With that one sentence goes to show how damn ignorant you are.

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

Ok I have enough of listening to your senseless ramblings. You havent put no thought into what you have been writing nor have you bothered to read the link i posted in my 1st post. The fluoride we use is not some byproduct of fertilisers industry. With that one sentence goes to show how damn ignorant you are.

I clearly illustrate how liquid is not being used... In its place powder bags from China. To your credit... You've stuck to your guns; however, your ignorance reached a plateau at the entrance of this thread.

you spit out toothpaste, you drink water.

Fluoride is a good thing, unless you want to have a mouth like a caveman.

There is a reason why all the ancient skulls we find have horrible dentition.