Fluoride in toothpaste okay...but why water?.

He y'all i just got back from a busy trip and my eyes are about to close shut... (im very tired) but i just wanted to write this before i went to bed so you can be the judge of Fluoridated water.

The FDA's final discussion about fluoridated water is "it strengthens teeth and prevents cavities".. no i dont think so because i find it hard to believe that it prevents cavities and strengthens teeth
if it strengthens teeth why do they sell toothpaste which hardens enamel if regular toothpaste has enamel hardening properties AKA "sodium fluoride"
another question thats been with me for a week now... if fluoride helps prevent cavities and mouthwash ensures that why do they need to add it to the public water supply if we already have toothpaste and mouthwash

fluoridated water isnt that like drinking mouthwash?

also they cant control the dose and everyone and everything gets it even 1month old babies... (gee i didnt know they had teeth)

and many articles on google suggest that it is also bio-accumulative and gets absorbed by the skin of any living creature or plant life

all you need to know is:

fluoride is a toxin, it´s waste / a byproduct.

stay away from it as far as you can.

government, long ago took on the responsibility of thinking for you...

like parents would not buy the proper dental needs for the children... so the water supply was fortified with chemicals...so favors could be returned to the chemical companies who contributed to the lawmakers election
to start the daisy-chain of returning favors...


bottom line: its not as egalitarian as its spun to be...but hey i'm a cynic at heart when it comes to politics & motives

Flouride is no good. No where. Neva.

It's like saying battery acid is ok in tomato sauce but not in tea.

avoid flouride its a poison. doesnt do a thing for teeth. Also be careful of the whitening products for teeth they can cause the enamel to break down leading to cavities..

Plenty of good non-flouride toothpastes out there take some time and check the shops where you live and always read the labels to check ingredients before purchasing.

Originally posted by St Udio
government, long ago took on the responsibility of thinking for you...

Government long ago took on the responsibility of dumbing you down with fluoride. Government long ago took on the responsibility of experimenting on you with drugs, disease, radiation, chemicals, vaccines and brainwashing. They actually believe they are entitled to do these things and believe they are above the law

It's way past time to dissolve this mafia "government".

What a load of baloney. Do you even know what fluoride is? Fluoride is a fluorine atom combined with another element.
Also do you know exactly what type of fluorde is added? the fluoride used is no different from what you find naturally in water. The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

Fluoride is found in a solid form in minerals such as fluorspar, cryolite and apatite Fluorspar (also called
fluorite) and is found in most parts of the world. It is a mineral containing between 30 to 98 percent calcium fluoride. Cryolite is a compound of aluminium, sodium, and fluoride. Because of its low melting point, it is preferred for industrial use, but is not a major source of fluoride for water fluoridation. Apatite is a deposit of a mixture of calcium compounds, including calcium phosphates, calcium fluorides, and calcium carbonates. Apatite contains between 3 to 7 percent fluoride and is the main source of fluorides used in water fluoridation.

To obtain hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6):
• The fluoride-containing rock is ground up and treated with sulphuric acid producing hydrofluoric acid gas (HF);

• The HF gas then begins a purification process involving washing, cooling, condensation, and finally distillation (rectification);

• The HF is then reacted with silica to produce hexafluorosilicic acid with a concentration of 37 to 42 per cent. By neutralising hexafluorosilicic acid with sodium carbonate and precipitating the solid matter, manufacturers can readily convert liquid hexafluorosilicic acid into the powder disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).

In the UK the water companies are only allowed to use
Hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) also known as fluorosilicic acid
and Disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) also known as sodium fluorosilicate.

Heres a uptodate link www.bfsweb.org...

Where it is true other types of fluoride are bad for your health like aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride(this fluoride is used by some countires) but these are not added to the water supply in the UK and america. I cant say for other countries as i havent researched those.
Also the pineal gland study dosent show fluoride is bad for you. What it does show how is how the western diet is seriously lacking a very important element called Iodine

In toothpaste is NOT OK! Its hard to find the substitutes. And you have to not buy SLS too, the sudsing parts. Baking soda is one alternative. We don't put it in our water at least on the West Coast. Under your tongue is a very fast transport system through the body. Everything you brush your teeth with is absorbed quickly.

it's not ok in toothpaste or anything. people have had teeth for thousands of years, remember that. everything that is needed by our bodies, is pre programmed by creation, and we crave it when we don't have it. some people eat tissue on impulse, because they need nutrients. some people crave water to the point where they slurp up rivers. i've never seen or heard anybody craving fluoride...

fluoride is POISON...hands down..

reply to post by Aletheia007


go home dearie and keep drinking your chem/lithium/flouride/koolaid and believing the propaganda the state is feeding you like a good citizen.

Am a physician trained in both western medicine and tcm (traditional chinese medicine) flouride is a poison that does absolutely nothing beneficial for the human body.
But hey thats your choice to believe your government and drink poison.. Dont force it on others.
Could go on with an extremely detailed explanation of human physiology and the effects of flouride and all the other poisons they claim are good for you but it would go over your little head and take far more space to expound upon fully.. Bottom line flouride is a poison and bad for the human body.

Yay, another fluoride thread. Another opportunity for clowns to spread that ignorance around.

You're an MD? Yeah, right. Traditional Chinese medicine, that explains it. Please, expound away.

Bet you all didn't know that oceans give off hydrogen fluoride and that people living on the coasts breathe in fluoride constantly. Didn't think so.

Fluorides are practically everywhere in nature. They've been around as long as the planet has. Still waiting for the anti-fluoridationists to tell everyone how they manage to shield themselves from the so-called effects, while everyone else is "dumbed-down." Perhaps it is the tin foil hats?

Can't wait for some clown to come in and say the Nazis used it. LOL

Originally posted by Aletheia007
What a load of baloney. Do you even know what fluoride is? Fluoride is a fluorine atom combined with another element.
Also do you know exactly what type of fluorde is added? the fluoride used is no different from what you find naturally in water. The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

Fluoride is found in a solid form in minerals such as fluorspar, cryolite and apatite Fluorspar (also called
fluorite) and is found in most parts of the world. It is a mineral containing between 30 to 98 percent calcium fluoride. Cryolite is a compound of aluminium, sodium, and fluoride. Because of its low melting point, it is preferred for industrial use, but is not a major source of fluoride for water fluoridation. Apatite is a deposit of a mixture of calcium compounds, including calcium phosphates, calcium fluorides, and calcium carbonates. Apatite contains between 3 to 7 percent fluoride and is the main source of fluorides used in water fluoridation.

To obtain hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6):
• The fluoride-containing rock is ground up and treated with sulphuric acid producing hydrofluoric acid gas (HF);

• The HF gas then begins a purification process involving washing, cooling, condensation, and finally distillation (rectification);

• The HF is then reacted with silica to produce hexafluorosilicic acid with a concentration of 37 to 42 per cent. By neutralising hexafluorosilicic acid with sodium carbonate and precipitating the solid matter, manufacturers can readily convert liquid hexafluorosilicic acid into the powder disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).

In the UK the water companies are only allowed to use
Hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) also known as fluorosilicic acid
and Disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) also known as sodium fluorosilicate.

Heres a uptodate link www.bfsweb.org...

Where it is true other types of fluoride are bad for your health like aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride(this fluoride is used by some countires) but these are not added to the water supply in the UK and america. I cant say for other countries as i havent researched those.
Also the pineal gland study dosent show fluoride is bad for you. What it does show how is how the western diet is seriously lacking a very important element called Iodine

edit on 23-10-2011 by Aletheia007 because: (no reason given)

Instead of downing potato chips why don't you find a bag of raw whatever this is and chow down... Or bottoms up. Whichever!




Pure natural!

Originally posted by TheComte
Yay, another fluoride thread. Another opportunity for clowns to spread that ignorance around.

You're an MD? Yeah, right. Traditional Chinese medicine, that explains it. Please, expound away.

Bet you all didn't know that oceans give off hydrogen fluoride and that people living on the coasts breathe in fluoride constantly. Didn't think so.

Fluorides are practically everywhere in nature. They've been around as long as the planet has. Still waiting for the anti-fluoridationists to tell everyone how they manage to shield themselves from the so-called effects, while everyone else is "dumbed-down." Perhaps it is the tin foil hats?

Can't wait for some clown to come in and say the Nazis used it. LOL

Apparently you haven't heard of RO systems. I have one at my sink... Not too terribly expensive. Running through the whole house a tad bit more. I don't need a shield... Just a Home Depot or Lowes.

reply to post by ApplesOnFire


Do you drink toothpaste, or is it used topically? I apologize for answering a question with another question, but in this case it's the common sense approach.

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maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

Originally posted by Aletheia007
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maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

I'll simply add what's being applied/ mixed to tap water is industrial byproduct - aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride (imported from China). Your claim it doesn't end up here is just that... A personal claim lacking any validity. Moreover, hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride are listed as highly toxic/ hazardous waste. If you haven't heard the term bio-accumulation aside from mention in the OP, I recommend you take some time to research further.

I would cite HFCS tainted with mercury found in 55 known household products (including cereal bars and ketchup) as another type of industrial byproduct.

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

I'll simply add what's being applied/ mixed to tap water is industrial byproduct - aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride (imported from China). Your claim it doesn't end up here is just that... A personal claim lacking any validity. Moreover, hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride are listed as highly toxic/ hazardous waste. If you haven't heard the term bio-accumulation aside from mention in the OP, I recommend you take some time to research further.

I would cite HFCS tainted with mercury found in 55 known household products (including cereal bars and ketchup) as another type of industrial byproduct.

aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride really? those are not added to my water supply and and i doubt American water suppliers are using those as they use hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride. Speaking of which yes they are highly toxic when in concentrated form which is how they are packaged and stored. Just because it is toxic in higher doses or more concentrated dosent mean its harmful to the body when its been diluted. They are a lot of minerals the body needs that can be toxic when concentrated. iron, zinc, chromium and selenium are but just a few that can be detrimental to your health if you have more than what the body needs.

I have no doubt that our food chain been compromised through industrial waste especially those from america where lobbyists change the laws to favour illegal dumping. But as I said none of which are in the water supplies supplied from a water company in america or the uk.

"A personal claim lacking any validity" speaking for yourself are we?

Originally posted by Aletheia007

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

I'll simply add what's being applied/ mixed to tap water is industrial byproduct - aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride (imported from China). Your claim it doesn't end up here is just that... A personal claim lacking any validity. Moreover, hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride are listed as highly toxic/ hazardous waste. If you haven't heard the term bio-accumulation aside from mention in the OP, I recommend you take some time to research further.

I would cite HFCS tainted with mercury found in 55 known household products (including cereal bars and ketchup) as another type of industrial byproduct.

aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride really? those are not added to my water supply and and i doubt American water suppliers are using those as they use hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride. Speaking of which yes they are highly toxic when in concentrated form which is how they are packaged and stored. Just because it is toxic in higher doses or more concentrated dosent mean its harmful to the body when its been diluted. They are a lot of minerals the body needs that can be toxic when concentrated. iron, zinc, chromium and selenium are but just a few that can be detrimental to your health if you have more than what the body needs.

"A personal claim lacking any validity" speaking for yourself are we?

You're too predictable... Granted, I set a decent debate trap.

The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

I get to finalize my answer with another common sense question for you. Does the powdered bag of fluoride (mixture) in the aforementioned video appear to be liquid to you? I have my doubts, but you do seem smarter than limited observation.

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

I'll simply add what's being applied/ mixed to tap water is industrial byproduct - aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride (imported from China). Your claim it doesn't end up here is just that... A personal claim lacking any validity. Moreover, hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride are listed as highly toxic/ hazardous waste. If you haven't heard the term bio-accumulation aside from mention in the OP, I recommend you take some time to research further.

I would cite HFCS tainted with mercury found in 55 known household products (including cereal bars and ketchup) as another type of industrial byproduct.

aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride really? those are not added to my water supply and and i doubt American water suppliers are using those as they use hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride. Speaking of which yes they are highly toxic when in concentrated form which is how they are packaged and stored. Just because it is toxic in higher doses or more concentrated dosent mean its harmful to the body when its been diluted. They are a lot of minerals the body needs that can be toxic when concentrated. iron, zinc, chromium and selenium are but just a few that can be detrimental to your health if you have more than what the body needs.

"A personal claim lacking any validity" speaking for yourself are we?

You're too predictable... Granted, I set a decent debate trap.

The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

I get to finalize my answer with another common sense question for you. Does the powdered bag of fluoride (mixture) in the aforementioned video appear to be liquid to you? I have my doubts, but you do seem smarter than limited observation.

LOL tell me do you have a problem with selective reading? reading parts thatb falls into your conspiracy ideas whilst totally ignoring the rest lol I already answered your question here it is again just in case you had that selective reading syndrome
The HF is then reacted with silica to produce hexafluorosilicic acid with a concentration of 37 to 42 per cent. By neutralising hexafluorosilicic acid with sodium carbonate and precipitating the solid matter, manufacturers can readily convert liquid hexafluorosilicic acid into the powder disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).

Originally posted by Aletheia007

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Aletheia007
reply to post by Americanist

 

maybe you can actually write it down for me in your own words so i can see If you understand what fluoride is?

I'll simply add what's being applied/ mixed to tap water is industrial byproduct - aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride (imported from China). Your claim it doesn't end up here is just that... A personal claim lacking any validity. Moreover, hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride are listed as highly toxic/ hazardous waste. If you haven't heard the term bio-accumulation aside from mention in the OP, I recommend you take some time to research further.

I would cite HFCS tainted with mercury found in 55 known household products (including cereal bars and ketchup) as another type of industrial byproduct.

aluminium fluoride and sodium fluoride really? those are not added to my water supply and and i doubt American water suppliers are using those as they use hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride. Speaking of which yes they are highly toxic when in concentrated form which is how they are packaged and stored. Just because it is toxic in higher doses or more concentrated dosent mean its harmful to the body when its been diluted. They are a lot of minerals the body needs that can be toxic when concentrated. iron, zinc, chromium and selenium are but just a few that can be detrimental to your health if you have more than what the body needs.

"A personal claim lacking any validity" speaking for yourself are we?

You're too predictable... Granted, I set a decent debate trap.

The vast majority of fluoridation plants in the UK and America use hexafluorosilicic acid, which is a liquid, as the fluoridating agent.

I get to finalize my answer with another common sense question for you. Does the powdered bag of fluoride (mixture) in the aforementioned video appear to be liquid to you? I have my doubts, but you do seem smarter than limited observation.

LOL tell me do you have a problem with selective reading? reading parts thatb falls into your conspiracy ideas whilst totally ignoring the rest lol I already answered your question here it is again just in case you had that selective reading syndrome
The HF is then reacted with silica to produce hexafluorosilicic acid with a concentration of 37 to 42 per cent. By neutralising hexafluorosilicic acid with sodium carbonate and precipitating the solid matter, manufacturers can readily convert liquid hexafluorosilicic acid into the powder disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).

The "powder" you refer to would dissolve. The example I cite does not... No explanation as to why. Acid makes for a reducer... So to clarify once again, are you claiming liquid is being added or a powder form to our water supply?