Will The Real Christians Please Stand UP.

reply to post by Whatwentwrong11001

Well, actually, if you're discussing the Bible, then yes, quoting the Bible does make you more credible.

reply to post by bogomil


Actually, "everybody" has a choice. That is why it's called free will. The gift of salvation is offered equally to everyone. You can choose to accept it or not to accept it. If Christians are complete ignorant morons who are subscribing to outdated "mythological" beliefs, then why is it so important for those who don't believe to try and disprove them? Why does it offend you, why do you get upset about it? If there is something I don't believe in and I feel is offensive to me, I simply choose not to partake of it.....ie.....don't read it or respond to it etc. The OP was very clear on what his posting would be about and he placed it in the Religious section. It's not like everyone that's on here complaining didn't know what the OP was looking for in his post.

Starred and flagged. I've also enjoyed a lot of the discussion that I've missed over the past few pages, specifically from Charles and bogumil. So I'll toss in my two cents.

As others have said, being a real Christian means accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. I really don't see how it could be anything else. This is Christianity at its most fundamental level. That said, though, there is a difference between a "real" and "fake" Christian if this is not declared with a genuine heart.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Of course I believe in these statements, especially within context. BUT--and this is a big one, getting people to agree with this in this identity-sheltered site does not a Christian make, nor does it take into account some of the things that are counterbalanced against the aspect you're presenting, in scripture. (Christianity is definitely a balancing act.)


Matthew 6

1 "Beware of practising your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 7:

15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Confession without backing action is useless.

See, a lot of people see Prophet and think Prophecy. The problem is that Prophecy is a derivative of a Prophet being in contact with a God who is giving information on future events, not the entirety of a Prophet's job descriptions, or even that all Prophets have future information. A Prophet is merely the mouthpiece of God, and since no human is perfect, a prophet can make mistakes like any other human. Hence Moses, Aaron, David, etc. Technically all of Christendom is supposed to be God's mouthpiece to the world...and we're going to make mistakes. It's human nature.

But what about hypocrisy? This is not about accidents, this is about deliberately condemning certain action, yet practising the same things we call evil in with awareness of what problems we are causing. Literally, in Latin and Greek, play-acting, pretence, the act of being a Thespian.

The ones we're supposed to be worried about are "False Prophets". False modifies Prophet, not what he teaches, that's why it's not the Christian who disagrees with you, nor the one who agrees with you, but the one who states what you want to hear, to make you believe that they are "one of us!" yet outright practices evil in their daily lives, and uses Christianity to hoodwink Christendom because they are out to get their own way, and bend you to their will, not God's.

We're to make judgement calls based upon these people do, not what they say, and on a forum, all you can go by is what they say. Sometimes you can get a glimpse of a person's nature behind their posts, but it's darn hard to do--and your own personality will get in the way.

It's hard enough that there's plenty of things, in the Bible that are considered a sin. We don't need to make divisions where God doesn't tell us to. One of those divisions we're told not to make in Christianity is over mere beliefs. Yes' we're to correct things that are wrong, but bad thought is not the end-all of who is my brother in Christ.

So, some who wind up agreeing with you, like I did, will be Christians. Some who do not, for various Biblical reasons, like I still did (and more than what I did--kind of hard to be the savour or light of this world when we're being divisive, for instance), will still be Christians. Others, who are not Christians, will be turned off, yet again, by a post like this. But the ones we're supposed to be ON WATCH FOR will go under the radar in a forum like this.

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And don't think that I just had this spring from my mind, , covered this in Church this morning. Timing, odd again, as usual.

It's pretty sad when a so called Christian is trying to imply that other Christians are "impostors"

Have you completely forgot what your faith is all about?!

This is the kind of High Horse-ness BS i can't stand.

Quite beating around the bush and just come out and say it..

"YOU AREN'T A REAL CHRISTIAN LIKE ME, I'M A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU ARE, YOU SUCK AT BEING CHRISTIAN'

Originally posted by dannotz
It's pretty sad when a so called Christian is trying to imply that other Christians are "impostors"

Have you completely forgot what your faith is all about?!

This is the kind of High Horse-ness BS i can't stand.

Quite beating around the bush and just come out and say it..

"YOU AREN'T A REAL CHRISTIAN LIKE ME, I'M A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU ARE, YOU SUCK AT BEING CHRISTIAN'

Along the lines of this, perhaps?

Romans 14:4

4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


This is a terrible forum for you my friend. I am a REAL christian, but am interested in all the other topics on ATS. Some of these Guys on here are terrible with their comments. I agree with ATS, if its not constructive to the topic, or informative, keep your doubt and hate to yourself. Good luck, my brother, on here.

2 easy steps to become a true christian:

Believe in Jesus.
Love Jesus.

If you truly love someone, you would never do anything to hurt them in anyway. Therefore if you love Jesus, you will follow all the ways of his teachings period.

The End.

reply to post by dannotz


You're right, of course, that the use of the phrase "Real Christians" in the headline is questionable, but it is just a headline and it's tough to get nuance into a few words.

I'm just guessing, but might he have meant: "Will the Christians, Who Are Brave Enough to Say They Are Christians in the Hostile Environment of ATS, Please Communicate With Me and With Each Other in this Thread?"

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


I think the real truth is that only God knows the heart. One's salvation truely comes down to a person's personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I don't think as humans, that we are qualified to make a determination about whether or not someone is saved. Only Jesus (and God) truely know. However, if their behavior and thinking is very "off track" it could be an indication that they have gotten off on the wrong path, or maybe haven't had a salvation experience. None of us are qualified to make that determination though.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Does it matter who's what ?

When it comes down to when it does matter , some self - affirmed 'knowledge' of being 'safe' is surely delusion .

Who will eat the biscuits ? Or who will not .

What is wise , is not what is foolish . Between these two , does the doctrine of Paul (all that you quote) sound like actual wisdom ?

No it does not . Since only the wise and the foolish walk this earth , it sounds like foolhardiness , to make things clear .

" Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird "

Does this sound like wisdom ? Yes , and this tiny snippet comes from the book of Proverbs . Wisdom doesnt tend to be esoteric, imaginary , or false .In fact it never is . You'd hope not to throw pearls to pigs .

reply to post by britelite1971


I like your spirit and I rejoice for every Christian. When we are told to put on the armor of God, it's because we are going to go into a fight. People will oppose Christians, it was promised. We can't keep them out of our discussions on a public forum, and I don't think we should get mad at them for stopping by and trying to stir things up.

For me, the question is how to treat those that do come by. I don't know how to describe it exactly, but it's a blend of loving the sinner (especially since I'm one myself), not casting pearls before swine, being as simple as doves, and as cunning as serpents.

Stay strong.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


WOW! I don't know how you are able to live with a name like CynicalDrivel, when your post had no touch of the cynical about it and it certainly wasn't drivel. All excellent points. Thank you.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


i agree with the verses you quoted, however... who put you in charge of separating the wheat from the shaft????

huh??

pretty sure God is the one and only Separator...

not a measly man who sits on the internet...

Originally posted by dannotz
It's pretty sad when a so called Christian is trying to imply that other Christians are "impostors"

Have you completely forgot what your faith is all about?!

This is the kind of High Horse-ness BS i can't stand.

Quite beating around the bush and just come out and say it..

"YOU AREN'T A REAL CHRISTIAN LIKE ME, I'M A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU ARE, YOU SUCK AT BEING CHRISTIAN'

Clearly you did'nt read the OP, I never said I was better than anyone. All I asked was a show of hands of those who believe the verses I quoted. What's wrong with that

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by dannotz

 

You're right, of course, that the use of the phrase "Real Christians" in the headline is questionable, but it is just a headline and it's tough to get nuance into a few words.

I'm just guessing, but might he have meant: "Will the Christians, Who Are Brave Enough to Say They Are Christians in the Hostile Environment of ATS, Please Communicate With Me and With Each Other in this Thread?"

I agree that the headline was not the best of words, but I like to keep things straight forward.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Sorry for my rudeness, i'm usually not that way.

I guess i took it all the wrong way , i just get a little tired of the religious fighting with anyone and everyone that doesnt have the same beliefs.

I guess i was looking for someone to jump on!

I'm sorry, ill go back and re-read your post.

goodayyy

reply to post by charles1952

You're absolutely right, There is an argument going on over whether Paul wrote the epistle or not. I'm just not sure it has been decided finally yet.

And even it it turns out to be not Pauline, I don't think that affects its value or place in scriptures.

Do you think there are people making arguments who don't think one way or another? That would be weird. Do you know of any other situation where people present arguments for one side of an argument, while not holding an opinion? (outside of maybe a high school debating team who are assigned a side to argue for)
If Paul did not write them, they are forgeries. Forgeries have a negative value, meaning less than worthless, or, evil.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
Do you think there are people making arguments who don't think one way or another? That would be weird. Do you know of any other situation where people present arguments for one side of an argument, while not holding an opinion? (outside of maybe a high school debating team who are assigned a side to argue for)

edit on 23-10-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Agnostics do it all the time .

reply to post by SuperiorEd

Romans, Galatians and Corinthians are not so much concerned with creation.

If all those things in Colossians was true, when Romans, 1&2 Corinthians, and Galatians would have been about creation at least a little bit. How was Colossians about creation?