Can Satan read our minds??How about demons and other kinds of spirits?

Originally posted by ShortMemory

Originally posted by gabby2011
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people read minds all the time..and just because you don't believe satan exists doesn't make it true..

no one can read minds.
satan does not exist, the bible is not factual.

Saying reading minds is impossible is simply not true. I was abducted by 3 UFOs while praying to God when I was 13 and they most certainly were able to both read my mind and communicate back through my mind. The brain radiates signals like a radio tower, and every thought contains a different pattern. It's called Telepathy and more directly called the following.

Retrocognitive, Precognitive, and Intuitive Telepathy is described as being the transfer of information, through Psi, about the past, future or present state.

Emotive Telepathy, also known as remote influence or emotional transfer, is the process of transferring kinesthetic sensations through altered states.

This is exactly what 3 UFOs claiming to be an angels did to me.

reply to post by jhill76

- They do have wings.

Not all angels have wings. Seraphim and cherubim do, and there are some that do not. Read the book of Genesis when God sends angels to Sodom to warn Lot about the impending destruction, the angel's he entertained had no wings. The word "angel" in hebrew means messenger, because that is all they are.

Originally posted by eeks4

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
if you believe in satan then you should believe also that he can do anything you can imagine since after all he is imaginary

I wish he was imaginary...But he is defiantly not..Have seen he devil with my own eyes and some of the fallen angels

Anybody anywhere can see anything any time. You aren't seeing with your eyes, you're literally seeing with your mind. Your eyes are just the tools that convey stimulus to your brain. This website is FULL of ignorance. Mind reading, demons, satan? What?

"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been good or bad...."

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I think you overestimate the level of complexity involved.
We are a machine that in our main aspect of experience is an electrical energy running on a circuit.
Our brains are the same thing, yours is exactly like mine, it may operate slightly differently based upon what filters you currently have applied to your thinking making you and your beliefs an aspect of the individual that you are.
However, these are the ONLY differences between us, we are essentially the same thing, EXACTLY, we operate on the same frequency in the same way.
You may not know it but you are also "parasympathetic", you can detect changes in another persons sense of being and their frame of mind, you can also detect when someone is looking at you.
These things are done on a subconcious level, also depending on how attuned you are to your own center of mind, will determine how sensitive you are to the influences that disturb you.
Such as someone you cannot see looking at you, and you turning to meet their gaze, (i normally catch people as they begin to think about looking at me and turn to meet their eyes/gaze EXACTLY).
This is a form of mind reading and it functions on "intent", you can feel the change in your center when someone forms the intent to look at you, and automatically WE can turn and look them in the eye.

Human Spirits are the second psychic stage of the human form, this is your "You" the you that operates as your "personality" your "Youness", this is the form that is capable of astral projection, this is what happens when you die, you are projected from your body as it can no longer function coherently, the silver thread between you and your "Life" is broken.
The second stage of your life begins (again) as the psychic aspect of you is released and becomes the vessel of the soul.
Buddhists say with this form you can go anywhere and see anything, i know from astral projection that distance is as nothing, its like having ROOT of a machine everything is accessible immediately.
(In this sense we are all 1337 hackers, but we have to die to get full lasting access, funny how hackers say that access is god lol)

Each of us is the same, i have had full on contact telepathy with another human, there is a door in your mind and beyond it is everything you "believe" is impossible, trust me, nothing is impossible, and if your belief was as real as a mustard seed everything would be possible.
Your intent is everything, you are capable of anything, if your RIGHT eye offends thee pluck it out.
The meaning to this statement can be found in "Tales of power" by carlos casteneda.
It also shows you in clarity what and who jesus was.

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youve proved nothing here. Adam was not created from dust. the freaking world was not created in 6 days. its like im arguing with infants.

with that said, im going to just go ahead a politely walk away.

Originally posted by InshaAllah
concering Adam and Eve

per the urantia book:


The Planetary Adams


(580.1) 51:0.1 DURING the dispensation of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them — the Material Son and Daughter — are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order.

(580.2) 51:0.2 These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger.

(580.3) 51:0.3 Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss

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Originally posted by InshaAllah
The default of adam and eve: from the urantia book

3. The Temptation of Eve

(841.1) 75:3.1 Adam had just finished his first one hundred years on earth when Serapatatia, upon the death of his father, came to the leadership of the western or Syrian confederation of the Nodite tribes. Serapatatia was a brown-tinted man, a brilliant descendant of the onetime chief of the Dalamatia commission on health mated with one of the master female minds of the blue race of those distant days. All down through the ages this line had held authority and wielded a great influence among the western Nodite tribes.

(841.2) 75:3.2 Serapatatia had made several visits to the Garden and had become deeply impressed with the righteousness of Adam’s cause. And shortly after assuming the leadership of the Syrian Nodites, he announced his intention of establishing an affiliation with the work of Adam and Eve in the Garden. The majority of his people joined him in this program, and Adam was cheered by the news that the most powerful and the most intelligent of all the neighboring tribes had swung over almost bodily to the support of the program for world improvement; it was decidedly heartening. And shortly after this great event, Serapatatia and his new staff were entertained by Adam and Eve in their own home.

(841.3) 75:3.3 Serapatatia became one of the most able and efficient of all of Adam’s lieutenants. He was entirely honest and thoroughly sincere in all of his activities; he was never conscious, even later on, that he was being used as a circumstantial tool of the wily Caligastia.

(841.4) 75:3.4 Presently, Serapatatia became the associate chairman of the Edenic commission on tribal relations, and many plans were laid for the more vigorous prosecution of the work of winning the remote tribes to the cause of the Garden.

(841.5) 75:3.5 He held many conferences with Adam and Eve — especially with Eve — and they talked over many plans for improving their methods. One day, during a talk with Eve, it occurred to Serapatatia that it would be very helpful if, while awaiting the recruiting of large numbers of the violet race, something could be done in the meantime immediately to advance the needy waiting tribes. Serapatatia contended that, if the Nodites, as the most progressive and co-operative race, could have a leader born to them of part origin in the violet stock, it would constitute a powerful tie binding these peoples more closely to the Garden. And all of this was soberly and honestly considered to be for the good of the world since this child, to be reared and educated in the Garden, would exert a great influence for good over his father’s people.

(841.6) 75:3.6 It should again be emphasized that Serapatatia was altogether honest and wholly sincere in all that he proposed. He never once suspected that he was playing into the hands of Caligastia and Daligastia. Serapatatia was entirely loyal to the plan of building up a strong reserve of the violet race before attempting the world-wide upstepping of the confused peoples of Urantia. But this would require hundreds of years to consummate, and he was impatient; he wanted to see some immediate results — something in his own lifetime. He made it clear to Eve that Adam was oftentimes discouraged by the little that had been accomplished toward uplifting the world.

(841.7) 75:3.7 For more than five years these plans were secretly matured. At last they had developed to the point where Eve consented to have a secret conference with Cano, the most brilliant mind and active leader of the near-by colony of friendly Nodites. Cano was very sympathetic with the Adamic regime; in fact, he was the sincere spiritual leader of those neighboring Nodites who favored friendly relations with the Garden.

(842.1) 75:3.8 The fateful meeting occurred during the twilight hours of the autumn evening, not far from the home of Adam. Eve had never before met the beautiful and enthusiastic Cano — and he was a magnificent specimen of the survival of the superior physique and outstanding intellect of his remote progenitors of the Prince’s staff. And Cano also thoroughly believed in the righteousness of the Serapatatia project. (Outside of the Garden, multiple mating was a common practice.)

(842.2) 75:3.9 Influenced by flattery, enthusiasm, and great personal persuasion, Eve then and there consented to embark upon the much-discussed enterprise, to add her own little scheme of world saving to the larger and more far-reaching divine plan. Before she quite realized what was transpiring, the fatal step had been taken. It was done.

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I apologise most profusely, but, my experience of telepathy and more tells me that you should be swimming in another punch bowl somewhere else as your "Ignorance" is very obviously, profound, don't try and deny it any more it's blatantly not doing you any good.

Originally posted by InshaAllah
more from the urantia book: concerning adam and eve's default

4. The Realization of Default

(842.3) 75:4.1 The celestial life of the planet was astir. Adam recognized that something was wrong, and he asked Eve to come aside with him in the Garden. And now, for the first time, Adam heard the entire story of the long-nourished plan for accelerating world improvement by operating simultaneously in two directions: the prosecution of the divine plan concomitantly with the execution of the Serapatatia enterprise.

(842.4) 75:4.2 And as the Material Son and Daughter thus communed in the moonlit Garden, “the voice in the Garden” reproved them for disobedience. And that voice was none other than my own announcement to the Edenic pair that they had transgressed the Garden covenant; that they had disobeyed the instructions of the Melchizedeks; that they had defaulted in the execution of their oaths of trust to the sovereign of the universe.

(842.5) 75:4.3 Eve had consented to participate in the practice of good and evil. Good is the carrying out of the divine plans; sin is a deliberate transgression of the divine will; evil is the misadaptation of plans and the maladjustment of techniques resulting in universe disharmony and planetary confusion.

(842.6) 75:4.4 Every time the Garden pair had partaken of the fruit of the tree of life, they had been warned by the archangel custodian to refrain from yielding to the suggestions of Caligastia to combine good and evil. They had been thus admonished: “In the day that you commingle good and evil, you shall surely become as the mortals of the realm; you shall surely die.”

(842.7) 75:4.5 Eve had told Cano of this oft-repeated warning on the fateful occasion of their secret meeting, but Cano, not knowing the import or significance of such admonitions, had assured her that men and women with good motives and true intentions could do no evil; that she should surely not die but rather live anew in the person of their offspring, who would grow up to bless and stabilize the world.

(842.8) 75:4.6 Even though this project of modifying the divine plan had been conceived and executed with entire sincerity and with only the highest motives concerning the welfare of the world, it constituted evil because it represented the wrong way to achieve righteous ends, because it departed from the right way, the divine plan.

(843.1) 75:4.7 True, Eve had found Cano pleasant to the eyes, and she realized all that her seducer promised by way of “new and increased knowledge of human affairs and quickened understanding of human nature as supplemental to the comprehension of the Adamic nature.”

(843.2) 75:4.8 I talked to the father and mother of the violet race that night in the Garden as became my duty under the sorrowful circumstances. I listened fully to the recital of all that led up to the default of Mother Eve and gave both of them advice and counsel concerning the immediate situation. Some of this advice they followed; some they disregarded. This conference appears in your records as “the Lord God calling to Adam and Eve in the Garden and asking, ‘Where are you?’” It was the practice of later generations to attribute everything unusual and extraordinary, whether natural or spiritual, directly to the personal intervention of the Gods

from the urantia book:

5. Repercussions of Default

(843.3) 75:5.1 Eve’s disillusionment was truly pathetic. Adam discerned the whole predicament and, while heartbroken and dejected, entertained only pity and sympathy for his erring mate.

(843.4) 75:5.2 It was in the despair of the realization of failure that Adam, the day after Eve’s misstep, sought out Laotta, the brilliant Nodite woman who was head of the western schools of the Garden, and with premeditation committed the folly of Eve. But do not misunderstand; Adam was not beguiled; he knew exactly what he was about; he deliberately chose to share the fate of Eve. He loved his mate with a supermortal affection, and the thought of the possibility of a lonely vigil on Urantia without her was more than he could endure.

(843.5) 75:5.3 When they learned what had happened to Eve, the infuriated inhabitants of the Garden became unmanageable; they declared war on the near-by Nodite settlement. They swept out through the gates of Eden and down upon these unprepared people, utterly destroying them — not a man, woman, or child was spared. And Cano, the father of Cain yet unborn, also perished.

(843.6) 75:5.4 Upon the realization of what had happened, Serapatatia was overcome with consternation and beside himself with fear and remorse. The next day he drowned himself in the great river.

(843.7) 75:5.5 The children of Adam sought to comfort their distracted mother while their father wandered in solitude for thirty days. At the end of that time judgment asserted itself, and Adam returned to his home and began to plan for their future course of action.

(843.8) 75:5.6 The consequences of the follies of misguided parents are so often shared by their innocent children. The upright and noble sons and daughters of Adam and Eve were overwhelmed by the inexplicable sorrow of the unbelievable tragedy which had been so suddenly and so ruthlessly thrust upon them. Not in fifty years did the older of these children recover from the sorrow and sadness of those tragic days, especially the terror of that period of thirty days during which their father was absent from home while their distracted mother was in complete ignorance of his whereabouts or fate.

(843.9) 75:5.7 And those same thirty days were as long years of sorrow and suffering to Eve. Never did this noble soul fully recover from the effects of that excruciating period of mental suffering and spiritual sorrow. No feature of their subsequent deprivations and material hardships ever began to compare in Eve’s memory with those terrible days and awful nights of loneliness and unbearable uncertainty. She learned of the rash act of Serapatatia and did not know whether her mate had in sorrow destroyed himself or had been removed from the world in retribution for her misstep. And when Adam returned, Eve experienced a satisfaction of joy and gratitude that never was effaced by their long and difficult life partnership of toiling service.

(844.1) 75:5.8 Time passed, but Adam was not certain of the nature of their offense until seventy days after the default of Eve, when the Melchizedek receivers returned to Urantia and assumed jurisdiction over world affairs. And then he knew they had failed.

(844.2) 75:5.9 But still more trouble was brewing: The news of the annihilation of the Nodite settlement near Eden was not slow in reaching the home tribes of Serapatatia to the north, and presently a great host was assembling to march on the Garden. And this was the beginning of a long and bitter warfare between the Adamites and the Nodites, for these hostilities kept up long after Adam and his followers emigrated to the second garden in the Euphrates valley. There was intense and lasting “enmity between that man and the woman, between his seed and her seed.”

the following is from the urantia book:


6. Adam and Eve Leave the Garden

(844.3) 75:6.1 When Adam learned that the Nodites were on the march, he sought the counsel of the Melchizedeks, but they refused to advise him, only telling him to do as he thought best and promising their friendly co-operation, as far as possible, in any course he might decide upon. The Melchizedeks had been forbidden to interfere with the personal plans of Adam and Eve.

(844.4) 75:6.2 Adam knew that he and Eve had failed; the presence of the Melchizedek receivers told him that, though he still knew nothing of their personal status or future fate. He held an all-night conference with some twelve hundred loyal followers who pledged themselves to follow their leader, and the next day at noon these pilgrims went forth from Eden in quest of new homes. Adam had no liking for war and accordingly elected to leave the first garden to the Nodites unopposed.

(844.5) 75:6.3 The Edenic caravan was halted on the third day out from the Garden by the arrival of the seraphic transports from Jerusem. And for the first time Adam and Eve were informed of what was to become of their children. While the transports stood by, those children who had arrived at the age of choice (twenty years) were given the option of remaining on Urantia with their parents or of becoming wards of the Most Highs of Norlatiadek. Two thirds chose to go to Edentia; about one third elected to remain with their parents. All children of prechoice age were taken to Edentia. No one could have beheld the sorrowful parting of this Material Son and Daughter and their children without realizing that the way of the transgressor is hard. These offspring of Adam and Eve are now on Edentia; we do not know what disposition is to be made of them.

(844.6) 75:6.4 It was a sad, sad caravan that prepared to journey on. Could anything have been more tragic! To have come to a world in such high hopes, to have been so auspiciously received, and then to go forth in disgrace from Eden, only to lose more than three fourths of their children even before finding a new abiding place!

from the Urantia book


8. The So-Called Fall of Man

(845.8) 75:8.1 Adam and Eve did fall from their high estate of material sonship down to the lowly status of mortal man. But that was not the fall of man. The human race has been uplifted despite the immediate consequences of the Adamic default. Although the divine plan of giving the violet race to the Urantia peoples miscarried, the mortal races have profited enormously from the limited contribution which Adam and his descendants made to the Urantia races.

(846.1) 75:8.2 There has been no “fall of man.” The history of the human race is one of progressive evolution, and the Adamic bestowal left the world peoples greatly improved over their previous biologic condition. The more superior stocks of Urantia now contain inheritance factors derived from as many as four separate sources: Andonite, Sangik, Nodite, and Adamic.

(846.2) 75:8.3 Adam should not be regarded as the cause of a curse on the human race. While he did fail in carrying forward the divine plan, while he did transgress his covenant with Deity, while he and his mate were most certainly degraded in creature status, notwithstanding all this, their contribution to the human race did much to advance civilization on Urantia.

(846.3) 75:8.4 In estimating the results of the Adamic mission on your world, justice demands the recognition of the condition of the planet. Adam was confronted with a well-nigh hopeless task when, with his beautiful mate, he was transported from Jerusem to this dark and confused planet. But had they been guided by the counsel of the Melchizedeks and their associates, and had they been more patient, they would have eventually met with success. But Eve listened to the insidious propaganda of personal liberty and planetary freedom of action. She was led to experiment with the life plasm of the material order of sonship in that she allowed this life trust to become prematurely commingled with that of the then mixed order of the original design of the Life Carriers which had been previously combined with that of the reproducing beings once attached to the staff of the Planetary Prince.

(846.4) 75:8.5 Never, in all your ascent to Paradise, will you gain anything by impatiently attempting to circumvent the established and divine plan by short cuts, personal inventions, or other devices for improving on the way of perfection, to perfection, and for eternal perfection.

(846.5) 75:8.6 All in all, there probably never was a more disheartening miscarriage of wisdom on any planet in all Nebadon. But it is not surprising that these missteps occur in the affairs of the evolutionary universes. We are a part of a gigantic creation, and it is not strange that everything does not work in perfection; our universe was not created in perfection. Perfection is our eternal goal, not our origin.

(846.6) 75:8.7 If this were a mechanistic universe, if the First Great Source and Center were only a force and not also a personality, if all creation were a vast aggregation of physical matter dominated by precise laws characterized by unvarying energy actions, then might perfection obtain, even despite the incompleteness of universe status. There would be no disagreement; there would be no friction. But in our evolving universe of relative perfection and imperfection we rejoice that disagreement and misunderstanding are possible, for thereby is evidenced the fact and the act of personality in the universe. And if our creation is an existence dominated by personality, then can you be assured of the possibilities of personality survival, advancement, and achievement; we can be confident of personality growth, experience, and adventure. What a glorious universe, in that it is personal and progressive, not merely mechanical or even passively perfect!

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I'm looking into that site now, thank you for the link. I'm reading up on Halloween origins now ...

The Celtics had priests called druids. On October 31, the druids went from house to house demanding certain foods, and all those who refused were cursed. The people were tormented by means of magic. As they went, the druids carried large turnips which they had hollowed out and on which they had carved demon faces as charms. Each one was believed to contain the demon spirit that personally led or guided that priest: his little god.

www.demonbuster.com...

It gets really intriquing, farther down...

Millions of people are vying for power, supernatural powers of evil to work curses, hexes, spells, power to manipulate, controlling power over lesser forces of darkness and power to control this present world system!

A reformed witch once told me that vying for power meant that a supernatural battle ensues between the other covens. Whosoever demonstrated the greatest power won the control of certain areas, such as seas, cities, etc. Satan would give the witch a part of all illegal finances collected in her area. For instance, Laura Cabot has political control over Salem, Massachusetts and maybe over the entire state. Recently when Jeff Fendhold visited her occult book store, within thirty seconds the policemen were on the scene driving police cars with the symbols of a flying witch on the side. Then the Attorney General of that state called Jeff saying that he was wanted by the law for "harassing witches!"

Christians had better wake up and begin old time prayer meetings for this nation!

Dr. Parks writes, "Many of the people are saturated in demonology with demonic spirits and are already in control of government establishments, militaries, religious organizations, financial systems, educational institutions, etc. These spirits are superior and receive their origin in Satan and are under the powers of the familiar spirits (spirit guides) that work divination and will only impart power to those totally yielded to obedience and in every obligation required by Lucifer.

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Hey Gabby, you may be right and I respect your take on that but I have read where some of the bible is proven by archaeologists to be factual. I agree with you that most spiritual things in the bible are strictly theology and we can't really prove them. I guess that's why they call it faith. Read that God can read your mind ( Isa 65:24 It shall happen that, before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. ) but other that that I don't really know for a fact. Knew a guy some years ago that told me he made a pact with Satan but that guy died in his sixties, poor as a pauper with a rare type of cancer. So I guess that if he did have a deal with Satan he got screwed.

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You can't use logic to argue faith. Christianity in general has become popularized by it's rebellion towards logic and science and attracts people with an interest in a tool that let's them get the last word on us heathen egg heads. The truth is, It's pointless. The nature of science as something that cannot help to prove God exists, no matter how hard they try, makes science suspect for the believers. It's like a basic algebra equation, but instead of solving for the variable, they assume it's a constant and that the numbers are the mutable elements. They need to dissolve truth just to keep arguing.

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Yea the government is getting real good at doing that.

first demons or jinns in Islamic religion were long before we came here on earth , and Satan (iblis in Islam religion)was the only angel who didn't want to Kneel to Adam the first human after that god (Allah) punished him by returning him as a demon (jinns),after that Satan came to eve and Adam and he entered there brain and guide them to eat from the sacred tree that god didn't permit them to touch , after that god (Allah) punished them all : Satan (and his followers ) and (the human kind ) by sending them to earth and making them rivals to each oder until the end of day's (al Qiyama) Apocalypse etc.....

And here we can say that Satan and his followers can put ideas in our brain but they can not read our mind .

And sorry for my bad language

Originally posted by eeks4
Just wondering..I have heard that yes Satan can read our minds and no Satan cannot read our minds..Does or would anyone have any logical proof on this?? Is there anything in the bible about this??Thank you for your help

You should drop by the Betty Eadie website. Embraced by the Light.com

She was attacked by 5 demons. They failed. God protected her with a dome of light.
They were full of hate.

She also says Satan cannot read our minds however he can see our eternal spirits
which reveal many things about us.

You should also be aware that angels of darkness have the ability to portray themselves as
angels of light but when they do they cast a long and dark shadow.

Does this make sense to you?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by eeks4
Just wondering..I have heard that yes Satan can read our minds and no Satan cannot read our minds..Does or would anyone have any logical proof on this?? Is there anything in the bible about this??Thank you for your help

You should drop by the Betty Eadie website. Embraced by the Light.com

She was attacked by 5 demons. They failed. God protected her with a dome of light.
They were full of hate.

She also says Satan cannot read our minds however he can see our eternal spirits
which reveal many things about us.

You should also be aware that angels of darkness have the ability to portray themselves as
angels of light but when they do they cast a long and dark shadow.

Does this make sense to you?

Yes it does..Big time...Thank you so much