Can Satan read our minds??How about demons and other kinds of spirits?

reply to post by Soulece

Just dont be bias is all im saying. Most bible thumpers are.. and I wont bunch you in that classification for arguments sake. But they think " only the bible is the answer!"

I've considered this line before, regarding bias, and wholeheartedly disagree with you. "Biased" was a word that was thrown around a lot more, say, fifteen or twenty years ago, and it occurs to me how much more politically correct it used to be to encourage people to not have a bias, a slant, or an angle on a matter. Consider the following statement...

Silence is a solvent that destroys personality, and gives us leave to be great and universal.

rwe.org...

"If you overlook your understandings past and see again with an open mind" is essentially what you're asking, the flaw being that you can't ask a bricklayer to answer without their knowledge of stone intact, a politician to answer without their many experiences in office in their minds, or an astrologer to answer without their fascination with the stars in place. In other words, you're asking us to answer as if we were beside ourselves, for the sake of talking to you about the very topic we obviously hold as an important working knowledge in our lives. It's similar to asking "Tell me what are the three most important things in a three-year old's life, but don't be biased by your motherhood or ECE".

I used to have many religious debates, among athiests, agnostics, followers of Islam, and on. Often times discussion turned to touchstones or tenets about Christianity (in my case) and I would notice accusations of "bias" being launched, and it drew arguement, because it was usually to Request a Censor. In other words, "You can continue your discussion once you choose another tract other than the one you are presently relying on, or else you may be labelled bias, bigot, etc".

It's a slippery slope that leads to ad hominems, emotionally coiled hatreds, etc. It's very unfortunate to have a discussion about a religious topic and not be allowed to speak on the bible, or to rely on one's experience as a Christian I hope you'll agree! If I, or Not Authorized, or others choose to speak from our experiences as Christians, shouldn't you rather be expectant of our understandable approaches, and take that in stride?

More to the point of the quote above, there's another approach which you might appreciate hearing about called the Cloud of Unknowing. I learned about it approximately a decade ago.

The Cloud of Unknowing draws on the mystical tradition of Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite and Christian Neoplatonism[3], which focuses on the via negativa road to discovering God as a pure entity, beyond any capacity of mental conception and so without any definitive image or form. This tradition has reputedly inspired generations of mystical searchers from John Scotus Erigena, through Book of Taliesin, Nicholas of Cusa and St. John of the Cross to Teilhard de Chardin (the latter two of whom may have been influenced by "The Cloud" itself). Prior to this, the theme of "Cloud" had been in the Confessions of St. Augustine (IX, 10) written in AD 398. [2]

The book counsels a young student to seek God, not through knowledge and intellection (faculty of the human mind), but through intense contemplation, motivated by love, and stripped of all thought. This is brought about by putting all thoughts and desires under a "cloud of forgetting", and thereby piercing God's cloud of unknowing with a "dart of longing love" from the heart. This form of contemplation is not directed by the intellect, but involves spiritual union with God through the heart:

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reply to post by Soulece


As for the use of scripture to defend one's points regarding either Christianity or Judaism, it is important to have that, or at least some working knowledge or else you would fall short on too many known, agreeable matters which are peer review concerns. I don't find it more than semantics to depress over since what for one person is a series of quotes, another an explanation, another a sermon, another a testimony, and another an analogy.

There's no underwriting to say I must include ie. 22% scripture in my debate topics or else I can't be considered Christian! I used to use a lot more, and what I knew then shaped in my life through the living reality of Jesus and angels to the present day. Since the bible was written there have been many inspired men and women, and I personally have had no problem branching my interests to extra-biblical sources, in that they had experiences, explanations, and inspired things to say for our benefit. God does not exist in a 2000 year old stasis! He has been very pro-active, and has shaped in every life on earth, I'll contend. He loved each and every one of us as children, and it was up to us to grow up worthy of continuing to receive that divine and holy love and affection.

Every man's progress is through a succession of teachers, each of whom seems at the time to have a superlative influence, but it at last gives place to a new. Frankly let him accept it all. Jesus says, Leave father, mother, house and lands, and follow me. Who leaves all, receives more. This is as true intellectually as morally. Each new mind we approach seems to require an abdication of all our past and present possessions. A new doctrine seems, at first, a subversion of all our opinions, tastes, and manner of living. Such has Swedenborg, such has Kant, such has Coleridge, such has Hegel or his interpreter Cousin, seemed to many young men in this country. Take thankfully and heartily all they can give. Exhaust them, wrestle with them, let them not go until their blessing be won, and, after a short season, the dismay will be overpast, the excess of influence withdrawn, and they will be no longer an alarming meteor, but one more bright star shining serenely in your heaven, and blending its light with all your day.

rwe.org...

reply to post by Not Authorized

This is why early believers said they followed The Way in the early "churches", a singular instance pointing directly to Christ and Christ alone. No "loyalty" to denominations, or centralized earthly authority, or even their local gathering place which really was what the "church was". It was about following Christ, and Christ alone.

Exactly. you are 100% correct. Jesus does not want us to be split over doctrine. His Holy Spirit is calling us to reunite for the Last Days. As the modern day church it is our job to reunite the church and become as one again, the bride must make ready. Denominationalism has sundered the church over the squabbling over doctrine when the core of the doctrine is what matters. The core of that doctrine is Jesus Christ whom died for our sins on the cross, resurrected on the 3rd day and ascended to heaven 40 days later to reclaim his throne and that whosoever believes in him shall not die the second death, but have everlasting life.

The true Church are the people themselves, being a temple for the Spirit of God. Not a building, or gathering place.

Again you are 100% correct. Jesus said he would tear down the old temple and rebuild it within 3 days where it would be eternal and could never be destroyed (when the pharisees where trying him for blasphemy). That temple he built is within the hearts of those who believe in him and love him. There he resides within us, and he walks with us everyday. You can hear the Lord if you listen close enough, he still talks to us to this day even though we cannot see him. Some of us however can see him because he has allowed us to see him. Apostle Stephen saw him while he was being stoned to death. Jesus comforts his believers before we die so that we know he has not forgotten us and on many occassions some have seen him come for them before they took their last breath.

The term "Christians", or "Christianity" today is corrupted to the point of correct hatred by the rest of the world. Nearly all Christians are certainly not "Christlike ones", and I'd venture to say most of them who claim they are, are NOT born again believers. You can tell who they are by their fruits, as going to church and being 'religious' do not save you.

Jesus is the way, if you want to be a true christian you must walk his path or at least strive to walk his path. Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commandments" because he loves us and didn't want us to degenerate into lawlessness even though he broke the laws in two by dying for our sins. Some people who call themselves christians cannot put down their old ways and leave off their former sinful lives, they continue in their fornications, idolatry, adulteries. They call themselves christians but they have not put on white, but instead have clothed themselves in hypocracy. Being saved is not a license to sin, Jesus even said so himself when he said that he would spew the lukewarm out of his mouth as if he never knew them, because you are either hot for him or cold for him but he will not accept christians who ride the fence and claim to believe in him yet they do not submit to his will and transform.

I asked the Lord to have his Holy Spirit teach me about him and i learn little things about him daily, he has told me that we are in the Last Days and that even though it has been said for the last 2000 years, the time is truly coming to a close because we have reached the pinnacle where true christianity is fading and we are being overrun with the psuedo christians who have infiltrated his bride and who do not submit to his will, yet use his words to bludgeon people with and warmonger (like these so called politicians who are bloodthirsty for war and riches, and call themselves a christian) Jesus is soon to pour out his wrath upon the world, and he will not have mercy on their souls because they should know the truth and obey yet they do not. This is why he will return as the conqueror, he has given the world and the psuedos millions upon millions of chances through each and every man and woman to change each and every day of their lives and still they refuse. His Great Deception has already been sent so that the masses will believe he does not exist, some will still hear his call, but the rest will perish. It is in this day and age that he is separating his sheep from the goats. Judgement Day, is coming and sooner than many know or realize.

reply to post by Not Authorized

The true Church are the people themselves, being a temple for the Spirit of God. Not a building, or gathering place.

Also, Christ was not religious, so how can I be if I am to truly be a Christlike one? They are mutually exclusive. If I am to take up my Cross and follow him, by default I too must NOT be religious.

The term "Christians", or "Christianity" today is corrupted to the point of correct hatred by the rest of the world. Nearly all Christians are certainly not "Christlike ones", and I'd venture to say most of them who claim they are, are NOT born again believers. You can tell who they are by their fruits, as going to church and being 'religious' do not save you.

If you want to use the secular definition, that's fine. But clearly, I have a much different definition of who is religious, and who is a born-again follower of The Way.

I appreciate the re-defines you're presenting, I can't say I've given that aspect too much thought. I don't want to look down on people because they do attend church, or they do gather and seek that fellowship either!
I don't think it's secular to attend a church devoted to my belief system, or dare I venture, my religion. I used to attend Baptist churches, then a non-denominational Christian church, although that was years ago now.

Our temple is within us, I certainly agree with that. As for "defiling the temple", I do smoke and drink in moderation, but have considered them as freedoms in Christ to continue to do so. It's slightly contentious at times, but seems well accepted as a personal concession. That is to say, through prayer I've had the normal correspondances "cleaned up" on a personal level, see some health benefit in both, appreciate the "off-the-pc-bandwagon" approach to life, and don't make a habit of being a bad example through them. I find they're also useful to test how judgemental other people are going to become, behind their masks, and allows me to accociate with all sorts of people I'd never otherwise have the opportunity of meeting.

reply to post by akushla99


That was my point, wrther they can read our minds or not is minor the the fact that they can INFLUENCE.
PLPL

Originally posted by RainbeauBleu
"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been good or bad...."

So be good for goodness sake

Originally posted by eeks4

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
if you believe in satan then you should believe also that he can do anything you can imagine since after all he is imaginary

I wish he was imaginary...But he is defiantly not..Have seen he devil with my own eyes and some of the fallen angels

Could you please elaborate on that because I'm very interested in the subject.

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Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Reply to post by eeks4

 

Do you have some sort of evidence to back this up? Pictures? Videos?

 

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I do have pictures but no way to put them on the computer....Sorry..I wish i could..Now the pictures or now of the devil there are of spirits..The only picture of Satan that i have is the one he put in my picture above my fire place and you have to be able to see spirits to see it

Reply to post by eeks4

riiiiiiiiiight.....you are full of fecal matter. You know this is not real that you have no pictures....please.


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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by eeks4

 

This i believe...do you think that spirits can live in side you and not possess you but control you??I see a difference in this

Oh yes they can enter you and possess you, unless you are saved and covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. When you get saved, Christ's Holy Spirit flows into you from his throne in heaven, and the Holy Spirit will not allow other spirits to reside in his temple (you). The Holy Spirit gaurds the door to your heart and demons cannot possess you once He possess you. A truly saved christian cannot be possessed by demons, only the psuedo christians who sit on the fence and do not turn from their old sinful lives can be possessed because they truly do not believe in Jesus Christ.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home"

You are so correct..I have had a real demon come inside my body one time...I started to drool immediately..His energy was so so strong..I heard a voice in side my head say take a holy bath and i did....No possession

Originally posted by akushla99
Satan who? Please explain...

Demons and other kinds of spirits...errr...that's a big question...

Forget about the 'reading your mind' bizzo...how about, manipulating thoughts?!

Akushla

And controlling your emotions

Jut to put the cat amongst the pigeons; what do you think is more likely, a devil, demon or non physical entity that can mess with your mind or mental illness. Now i can prove that people suffer from mental illness, can anyone prove there's spirits and the like ?

reply to post by Hopeforeveryone


I encountered a person once who was schizophrenic and had been messing around in what he called dark arts, and what I found was very strange from a medium's point of view. There was indeed a being there with him, but it was unlike anything I have encountered in a "psychic/medium" vision, the being looked like a toy head of betty boop and the body of a he-man doll.

This guy slowly let his schizophrenia out of control and from what I could tell, as he did this,the being he created within his own mind became so real to him that even I could see it.

I don't confess to understand how everything works, in fact, I hardly understand it at all, but in hind sight, that was the only time I ever saw a being like this attached to a person. It was clearly man made as it was parts of childhood toys, but it had it's own mind.

reply to post by Darkblade71


I'm a big believer in what we believe shapes the way we percieve reality. For example I don't believe in spirits, demons or ghosts and as such i've never seen them. However other people who I have met swear that they have seen such things. I do recall a hypnotism session where the hypnotist made the suggestion that an elephant had walked into the theatre, his subjects looked horrified and made a run for the exits. Maybe it's somehow related.

reply to post by Hopeforeveryone


Well, that is a big problem when it comes to these types of discussions,
someone who has never experienced it will never accept it unless they see it for themselves, and I respect that as I am the same way. The only difference is I have experienced it many times in many different ways, and had no choice but to accept it, explore it, and determine for myself. And that is what I recommend everyone does who really wants to know if some of these things are real.


There are many possibilities, it could all very well be mental.

*shrug*

I'm open, to a point.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
I encountered a person once who was schizophrenic and had been messing around in what he called dark arts, and what I found was very strange from a medium's point of view. There was indeed a being there with him, but it was unlike anything I have encountered in a "psychic/medium" vision, the being looked like a toy head of betty boop and the body of a he-man doll.

This guy slowly let his schizophrenia out of control and from what I could tell, as he did this,the being he created within his own mind became so real to him that even I could see it.

I don't confess to understand how everything works, in fact, I hardly understand it at all, but in hind sight, that was the only time I ever saw a being like this attached to a person. It was clearly man made as it was parts of childhood toys, but it had it's own mind.

Tulpa/Thoughtform. Read up on those mythos, they may interest you. However, I don't personally believe in them.

reply to post by Darkblade71


I did have a more open mind when i was younger, i believed all kind of unusual things but as time progressed i did conclude most of the strange phenomenon i had experienced had rational explantions. I once woke up to my tv ariel ( old portable) waving about like it was demented, for years i thought what on earth was that ? I later concluded it was low frequency sound making it move as i lived near a busy road. There are a few i still can't explain but time has set a precedent.

reply to post by Darkblade71


Oh its real no faking it and my brain is just fine...As real as im typing now...About the pictures first of all my computer keeps crashing. second is that im out of work due to this so i cannot afford the technology to somehow put pictures on the computer and third i don't own a video camera and forth of all i don't have a regular camera...There is a picture of a demon that my; daughter took by accident on a old phone of hers which the churches involved in this have seen as well as other pics..Trust me if I could show you the pics i would..Not mental at least not yet..Thanks be to god for that

reply to post by eeks4


Last night my daughter went to a friends house for the night so I slept in her room to try to get away from this a bit,,Well i woke up to a spirit in my face plowing his energy in my skull and brain..I yelled out and he got off of me,So i went and got the holy water and blessed my self and the room...NO joke..I wish it was

reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx


Wow, thanks for the information,
I went and looked it up:en.wikipedia.org...

There was a lot to read in a short span. I got the gist of it though!
It is interesting to read up on subjects like that.

So it seems what I have seen was, according to the Tulpa "myth",
something he created and willed into being out of his own mind...which is what I figured. The only difference I see is in this being as far as I could tell, could not effect anything other than the guy that created it. He swore they were married.

He never saw the being himself, at least not like what I saw, because when I told him, he was surprised as he was claiming it was Tiamat.

( This is how you can normally tell mental illness, I did not know he was mentally ill until after he left and someone told me,but after what I saw, I already kinda knew)

I never told him anything else, in fact, I often fear that I told him to much as I did not want to encourage his mental illness.



Kind of an odd story, but well, so am I.