I want to address a few things Australia, if you hate Social security then read on...

Is it true that the average wage in Australia is £1000 british pounds, if so, what's the price of living?

An average wage to that number sounds good enough reason for everyone to get a decent education or walk to the end of the country for a job

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
reply to post by steveknows

 

Actually I said labour-hating household.....




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I'm still waiting for you to critique the rest of my post...


while we wait...
sorry...what government took us to places where we should never have been in the interests of brown nosing the wrong country for their own self interest?

Your response reminds me of parliament time.

True you did. My bad. but you'll be stung by Gillard you'll see. Oh you mention parliment time. Did you see Gillard and her perty walk out of Q&A because they didn't like the questions they were being asked? You should have it was all over the news. Who walks out of Q&A? A party which believes it's not answerable that who.

Also in regards to brown nosing it's called an alliance which is a good thing to have when you're a 1st world English speaking country surrounded by poor countries who don't like you. Anyone who's served in the defence force can explain that one.

edit on 20-10-2011 by steveknows because: Typo

Actually no I didn't (I was probably cleaning up after my four children), not that it matters much, most sessions sound the same. Back and forth with school yard taunts, all bluster and no back up.
Did you watch her ON Q&A? She held herself remarkable well in a room full of haters and quite frankly it impressed the pants of me. She has more balls than most.
Alliances wouldn't be necessary if modern man was not so engrossed in taking everything they could lay their hands on at the expense of others, and yes I can see how that kind of thinking would be drilled into you.
Don't turn this into an attack of defense force people it's not necessary.

Actually no. A serviceman er sorry person, actually has to be capable if independent thought. Must have the ability to orginise and think for yourself.

How have I turned it into an attack on the defence force? I've served in the defence force and I'm always the first to defend them and why the government does things if there's good reason.. You're the one who yapped on about the government taking us places we shouldn't have gone all for the sake of brown nosing. I just explained why it happened so that you'd be less ignorent. Whipping a dead horse I'd say.

Also these days I work for community services and you're wrong on so many levels

The truth is that most of the disadvantaged do want to help themselves. And it's this stereotypical thinking I'm seeing from the naysayers that this creep in office is playing on to get support to hound the battler.

Just think of this. As of December a child who's battling cancer won't get free dental treatment because this great perfact lady in office has decided that EPC scheme is a drain on the system while at the same time she buys ciggarettes for boat people. Part of her plan to get a Job with the U.N when she's booted I think and she doesn't care how many billions she has to spend overseas to get it or how many billions she cuts back on Australians.

You make no sense. No more debate with you.

reply to post by NadaCambia


The price of living is very high in Australia (we have tax on our tax). Last night on the news it was saying that investors from overseas were buying up all of our real estate which, in turn, further increases the already high prices paid for housing - whether be buying or renting. The Great Australian Dream is no longer to buy a house but to rent a house. A lot of my customers are from the UK and most comment on how expensive things are in Australia as compared to over there. Our weather is better though at least.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
There's nothing wrong with the idea of social security. It's just the way it's implemented here which is awful. Too many long time dole bludgers who have no inclination to work and bogin chicks popping out heaps of kids to live on child support. Social security needs to toughen up with a decent reform.

IRM

Agreed totally.
I see and know of so many people who are desperately trying to find work, and their attitude is all the same, who cares as long as I can work, and provide for myself/family etc. They get pushed down by a system designed to sweep them aside as statistics.
On the other side of the coin I see and know of many (many more than category A) that openly rort the system, and get away with it year after year. An example is a couple locally. The husband has never worked (and openly brags) and has no intention to work. There is nothing wrong with him except for the fact he is bone lazy, and his wife is the same. Each time the government leans on them, gues what they do? They punch out another kid... Australian family tax benefit laws state after the child has started school parents are required to find 20+ hours a week. Their second kid is about to start school next year, and the kid is due in Feb next year.... Coincidence anyone? I don't think so. The problem with this is the statistics don't cover these people in national unemployment figures, so they tend to dip under the radar, and this can go on forever, 10 years from now I bet they will be popping out their 15th kid and still rorting the system.
What the government needs to do is focus on these people and get them off the system.
Oh and just a side note, someone posted the government won't help with licenses, etc. Most employment agencies will help with specialist licenses if you want to go into a chosen field. I myself got both a forklift license and HR license at the governments expense, which led to full time work, and a friend also got a HA license from one also. I think all you need to do is ask them, and have a bit of a game plan in mind of where you want to go with it.

Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by surrealist

 

Well you may be in a good position to comment on my overview of the stream system. Obviously i don't have inside information, i've had to glean what i could from anecdotal reports. How accurate was i in my appraisal?

Also, how often were you given the excuse when applying for a job that you were "over qualified?"

I wish there was something i could do to bring the issue's relating to Social security to the public eye and change the public perception of the 'Dole Bludger' or at the very least help them to understand the difference between a bludger and a genuine job-seeker.

Your appraisal is not too bad at all. You're in it so you understand it. The Stream Services system is certainly not perfect. However once you get to those higher streams such as those in 3 and 4, your provider should be working with you to develop a personalised pathway to employment based on your capacities and circumstances. Often though, these providers don't do that well at all. There also should be more funds available to pay for any training. The type of training you access will obviously have varying impacts on your prospects for employment. Some courses are clearly rubbish while others provide the necessary minimal certfication to get into an industry such as a security licence to work in security or RSA and RCG certificates to work in a bar. My sister and her son both work in bars and have those RSA and RCG quals.

Mate even I know as some others (though you do have your dreamers here in national office depts as elsewhere in society) that you can only ever alter the bell curve with government employment services and policies designed to increase workforce participation. You can't eliminate unemployment completely, nor is it desirable as like Canberra with low levels of uemployment, there's businesses who cannot find people to work as there's not enough in the unemployment pool. Also a contributing factor in today's environment is that there are there fewer jobs, any many jobs that require minimal entry-level certification, skills and experience - hence businesses actually crying out for immigrant skilled workers, contrary to popular opinion and widespread ignorance.

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
reply to post by steveknows

 

Actually I said labour-hating household.....




...



I'm still waiting for you to critique the rest of my post...


while we wait...
sorry...what government took us to places where we should never have been in the interests of brown nosing the wrong country for their own self interest?

Your response reminds me of parliament time.

True you did. My bad. but you'll be stung by Gillard you'll see. Oh you mention parliment time. Did you see Gillard and her perty walk out of Q&A because they didn't like the questions they were being asked? You should have it was all over the news. Who walks out of Q&A? A party which believes it's not answerable that who.

Also in regards to brown nosing it's called an alliance which is a good thing to have when you're a 1st world English speaking country surrounded by poor countries who don't like you. Anyone who's served in the defence force can explain that one.

edit on 20-10-2011 by steveknows because: Typo

Actually no I didn't (I was probably cleaning up after my four children), not that it matters much, most sessions sound the same. Back and forth with school yard taunts, all bluster and no back up.
Did you watch her ON Q&A? She held herself remarkable well in a room full of haters and quite frankly it impressed the pants of me. She has more balls than most.
Alliances wouldn't be necessary if modern man was not so engrossed in taking everything they could lay their hands on at the expense of others, and yes I can see how that kind of thinking would be drilled into you.
Don't turn this into an attack of defense force people it's not necessary.

Actually no. A serviceman er sorry person, actually has to be capable if independent thought. Must have the ability to orginise and think for yourself.

How have I turned it into an attack on the defence force? I've served in the defence force and I'm always the first to defend them and why the government does things if there's good reason.. You're the one who yapped on about the government taking us places we shouldn't have gone all for the sake of brown nosing. I just explained why it happened so that you'd be less ignorent. Whipping a dead horse I'd say.

Also these days I work for community services and you're wrong on so many levels

The truth is that most of the disadvantaged do want to help themselves. And it's this stereotypical thinking I'm seeing from the naysayers that this creep in office is playing on to get support to hound the battler.

Just think of this. As of December a child who's battling cancer won't get free dental treatment because this great perfact lady in office has decided that EPC scheme is a drain on the system while at the same time she buys ciggarettes for boat people. Part of her plan to get a Job with the U.N when she's booted I think and she doesn't care how many billions she has to spend overseas to get it or how many billions she cuts back on Australians.

You make no sense. No more debate with you.

edit on 20-10-2011 by steveknows because: Typo

Again...you misunderstand me completely, let's say that one was my fault. I'm cool with that. Sorry.
What I meant was "I was not attacking defense persons" so let's stay on track.
peace
I was impressed by her strength, and her calm confident vocabulary on Q&A, that was it.

My original comment applauded Labour for bring in the 'working mothers' action, that was it.

"Yapped and ignorant" is just plain rude, but all the old boys think about alliance so it stands to reason you would think I was ignorant, that's okay too.
The child cancer/teeth thing, which is not great (I agree and have heard about this), is still a very small part of a lot of on going issues with our government, personally I think dental should be free and medical and education.
Our town has the worst hospital I have ever in my life come across, and I've seen many over many states.

Perhaps if you are correct and she is trying to get to the UN, maybe she's saddened and deflated by our countries actions and the running (in the bigger scheme of things) and feels she could do more good there?

Do you think vehemently arguing your opinion will change anything? Hasn't worked so far for anyone, especially our government and sometimes they just go ahead and do it, like the carbon tax. But I wont comment on that one, something tells me you would not appreciate my answer.

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That sucks, I hope things work out for you. A current affairs programme my mum sometimes watches was doing an overveiw of a british doco the other week, it was about what its really like for low income families living in the UK, and seriously I was crying the whole way through. I live in Aus and I am far from finnancially secure, I am a single mother and I have to make do with 160 per fortnight and my mothers goodwill till I can get my daughter into day care and find work. But as difficult as it is for me, atleast I dont have to deposit coins into my mums washing machine or oven everytime I need to use them!
I remember reading through a thread and there were people from the UK on it ranting about their taxes being wasted on those who are on welfare and how those on welfare were living it up with big screen TV's and Xboxes etc. Yet what I saw on the current affairs programme was horrendous, people being forced to live in damp mouldy buildings you wouldnt force a dog to live in (in fact if you did force a dog to live in said conditions its likely you would have animal rights activists throwing tomatos at you!), having to put coins in their appliances including the big TV some ATS's were b!**#ing about for those aplliances to work, the children were going hungry and cold..... Yeah thats really living it up!
Reminds me of that song 'Subcity' by Tracy Chapman.

As to the op S&F, unfortunatly those who are ignorent will never listen until its too late because they prefer to be ignorent, its comftable and regurgitating whatever opinion the media/government tells them to have means they dont have to take the trouble of using their brains and looking at things from all sides to see the bigger picture. They are douche bags so dont worry about them, as long as you have a good character and are trying your best to live right in this upside down world then it doesnt matter what others think of your financial status. We are not our bank accounts.

reply to post by AussieAmandaC


Look. ok I could have used more constructive words and I'm sorry for losing my cool. I see the outcome to this governments choice to hound the battler daily and what's actually happening is that bad situations are becoming worse. Excuse the analogy but what this governments is doing is killing a garden bed of roses to get rid of a few weeds and telling everyone that the bed is full of weeds.

Each government has its good and bad points but this one is mainly bad. The libs wanted to take control of all hospitals in the nation and put them under one federal management and labor fought it tooth and nail so please think of that when you think of your hospital.

The current labor government of QLD took people off the waiting list for an operation and put them on a waiting list to go back on the waiting list and then claimed they'd cut the waiting list in half which they did but not in the way they're supposed to.

There are people who should be on a disability support pension because of back problems or back injury. Under the current rules they don't qualify because the illness must be fully diagnosed and treated before they can apply being that after diagnoses and treatment it must then be expected that it will take up to another two years to improve however though they have been fully diagnosed they haven't yet been treated because they're yet to have an operation because they're on a waiting list to go on the waiting list and of course once they have the operation they won't need the DSP

. These people have no choice but to get doctors certificates excempting them from job search about every three months and they get only Newstart and I've seen some of these xrays and medical reports and this government is now going to make their life that much harder. And it's humiliating for them.

And of course now this government wants to bring in the "Basics card" which though they claim is to stop people buying booze instead of food, again killing all the roses to get a few weeds, it is infact for the purpose of humiliating people who have already been knocked down. And that humiliation would be an effort to get them of Newsart or the DSP because they don't believe that most don't want to be on there.

what people fail to understand is that this government is just a hand full of people who have a different opinion of how things should be done. It doesn't mean that just because they 're the government that they're right.

These are real people with real issues for the most part and this government is using them as some kind of dog to kick.

There are single mothers who want the best for their kids and are looking for work and trying to survive on their own and in most cases they didn't plan to be single mums and Gillards coming across like they're something dirty and lazy and the ignorance of the population is playing right into their hands.

I get paid for what I do and my job is starting to suck and I can garentee that cases of depression of the staff go through the roof at Centrelink and related occupations in the next couple of years if things keep on the way they are. It's a tragedy unfolding and it's being implimented in Canberra.

Saying that. What are the long term costs to the country going to be financially? With ongoing illness made worse or injuries aggravated? Or with worsening mental health?

Gillard will be long gone but the bodies will still be twitching.

When Gillard made her speech about welsh values and hard work and tightening our belts it sent a shiver down my spine because Welsh to me meant work with a broken back becuase there's no real social support and if they don't let you then go on strike and stop the country. it meant to me that she valued over Australia a country which has been cripplied by unionism and has never had our high level of living standards. And now she's dragging the country down. And about to get her pay doubled mind you. That must be Gillards way of tightening her belt.

We instead got our power bill doubled.

I challenge anyone who reads this who doesn't work in the community services field and disagrees to go and volunteer with the salvos or such for just one month and I'm sure when they post after that it would be a different arguement they state.

This really hits a nerve with me. We are a wealthy country and the government has an obligation to pass that wealth on but what they're doing is raising the cost of living and penny pintching and cutting back on social services to balance their budget and labor has never been able to balance a budget

I'm sorry this is so long.

Like any large organisation, they have their flaws...and like most organizations...they dont do anything about them when its needed.
I would be homeless if it wasnt for australian social security payments.

I highly dislike the unimportance toward our lives though.

For eg. If you are unemployed, and cannot attend an appointment, you will be penalized.....Even if the reason for missing this appointment is moving closer to working or even a job interview, or a medical condition/event that doesnt fall under the "unable to work" requirements.

Basically, if you have a job interview and a centerlink job seeker interview, they believe you should attend your centerlink app instead of an interview possiblly resulting in employment.....truly a system broke in some respects.