I want to address a few things Australia, if you hate Social security then read on...

reply to post by Raivan31


I'm from Finland. We have a pretty socialist system here.

reply to post by PsykoOps



dont worry that parasite EU will drain you and your SS out with inflation and bailouts.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Raivan31

 

I'm from Finland. We have a pretty socialist system here.

Wow, awesome country, you must be proud. I should move there, i work hard when i can get it.
Spent the last three years as a volunteer for the salvation army and as a live in carer for a disabled bloke so i know about hard work

Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by PsykoOps

 

dont worry that parasite EU will drain you and your SS out with inflation and bailouts.

Well so-far Australia is doing better then most other countries....fingers crossed.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I hear you, had the same happen to me - at least I didn't have to cook!. I'm actually doing okay now but it took a few years of recovery. Hang in there, you'll get your life back even if it's not exactly the same.

reply to post by Raivan31


Feel free to move in. I'm gonna have to warn you thought the huge difference between summer and winter and also the language will be very hard to learn. 3rd most difficult one infact We can always use hard workers. As things are however getting a job is just as much luck as it is hard work. Also there is global depression thing going on and the whole debacle with EU and Greece. We have it good here, for now

reply to post by bisonpowers


Cheers, it could be a lot worse, at least I have a family who can support me, some in my position don't have that luxury and are left to deal with things alone. whenever I get a bit low I console myself with the fact that I am very lucky compared to many in my situation and the majority of the earth's population.

reply to post by PsykoOps


good luck to you.Hopefully EU does not make Finland and Scandinavia like my homeland ,Serbia.Europe looks more and more like Albania-Sharia-bad thanks to the immigration of Salafi variety muslims and their firebrand clerics.Plus the EU authorities are hellbent on destroying all moral value and family systems which Lenin and Trotsky could not dream of achieving.

Originally posted by bisonpowers
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I hear you, had the same happen to me - at least I didn't have to cook!. I'm actually doing okay now but it took a few years of recovery. Hang in there, you'll get your life back even if it's not exactly the same.

Thanks for the support
I did have to cook, but i enjoy it so it's not all that bad

It isn't the young kids who are suffering on the dole. I see a great number of them who frequent local night clubs, hanging around MacDonald's with their incessant cell phones and bragging about it on Face-book. It's the 'senior' citizens who are suffering. Finding themselves redundant in their fifties and sixties before they had chance to boost their superannuation. Then, when applying for jobs, they are told sorry but we can get a young bloke for less than half what we would have to pay you. I was lucky and was declared redundant with less than a year to go before retirement. Nevertheless I was told that to receive the dole I would have to prove that I had looked for at least 3 jobs each week by keeping a diary of the Companies I had rang, who I had spoken to and what they had said. I was told this by a young chap in his early twenties who hadn't worked a tenth of the time I had but who said "If you don't - I will stop your dole"! How helpful of him!
In the meantime the Gillard Labour Government are following in the footsteps of the "Little Johnny Howard" Liberal Government and are managing to find more and more ingenious schemes whereby money can be taken from the poor and given to the rich.
Come back Pauline - all is forgiven!

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Thats the same sort of thing i do. I think of having good friends and a family that cares in a standoffish sort of way. A roof over my head and a warm bed every night (it would be nice to fill that bed with a signifigant other lol) It could be MUCH worse, at least i never got into drugs, so thats something.

reply to post by OzTiger

Come back Pauline - all is forgiven!

You mean she with the squeaky voice that paid her fish n chip shop workers cash in hand and at lower rates of pay??

No thanks, her voice alone would drive me out of the country..

Originally posted by OzTiger
It isn't the young kids who are suffering on the dole. I see a great number of them who frequent local night clubs, hanging around MacDonald's with their incessant cell phones and bragging about it on Face-book. It's the 'senior' citizens who are suffering. Finding themselves redundant in their fifties and sixties before they had chance to boost their superannuation. Then, when applying for jobs, they are told sorry but we can get a young bloke for less than half what we would have to pay you. I was lucky and was declared redundant with less than a year to go before retirement. Nevertheless I was told that to receive the dole I would have to prove that I had looked for at least 3 jobs each week by keeping a diary of the Companies I had rang, who I had spoken to and what they had said. I was told this by a young chap in his early twenties who hadn't worked a tenth of the time I had but who said "If you don't - I will stop your dole"! How helpful of him!
In the meantime the Gillard Labour Government are following in the footsteps of the "Little Johnny Howard" Liberal Government and are managing to find more and more ingenious schemes whereby money can be taken from the poor and given to the rich.
Come back Pauline - all is forgiven!

Ha ha ha, yeah, she can't do any worse then current mob.
Incidentally that comment about "If you don't - I will stop your dole"! is one i have heard quite a few times when i questioned the wisdom of being sent to do something aimless that chewed up all the time i need to actually look for work.

Balmain Tigers fan?

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Raivan31

 

Feel free to move in. I'm gonna have to warn you thought the huge difference between summer and winter and also the language will be very hard to learn. 3rd most difficult one infact

We can always use hard workers. As things are however getting a job is just as much luck as it is hard work. Also there is global depression thing going on and the whole debacle with EU and Greece. We have it good here, for now

It's all good! i LOVE skiing and i pick up languages pretty quickly

reply to post by Raivan31



Excellent work, thanks and keep up the good work.

I went through periods of unemployment ever since I first started work in the late 60's 1970's. These days I have a much better job and I will continue working for as long as my health lasts. I don't expect to retire. It has always been a goal of mine to put as much distance between me social security as I possibly can but I won’t say I am out of the woods yet.

One the effects of unemployment is that it reduces your willingness to take a risk to try and make some money. I could have purchased the block next door and made a life times worth of superannuation if I was prepared to pay another 5k for the block but I was to afraid to take the risk due to my fear of being on the dole and not being able to make the payments.

We took a big gamble in recent years and invested 25 years worth of savings into a real estate deal and lost it. I blame no-one but myself but I only did to try and make some money for my wife in case something happened to me. If something did happen to me my wife will have to sell the house within a couple of months. I’m too old to work long enough to get money back so now I accept that I will continue working until I die or get thrown out due to old peoples disease but who knows I could win lotto tomorrow.

reply to post by bussoboy


Thankyou.
Your not alone, i've known many over the years who are in a similar situation to yourself, being worked till the last day and they'll probably expect you to dig your own grave as well!

Hope all works out well for you.

I use to work in Job Network as an employment consultant. Was on the dole myself in between seasonal casual teaching work which had dried up due to funding cuts to public education in 2006.

I've been unemployed and know what it is like, despite having both graduate and post-graduate qualifications, I could still have trouble getting a bloody job working nightshift in Woolworths during holidays, and I had experience in it! I know what it's like.

There's a lot of hypocrites and stone throwers out there living in glass houses that stereotype all unemployed. interesting thing is, many of these people, and I have seen it first hand with people I know, when confronted with hardship of the kind they hurled insults and judgments toward others entrenched in it, fall like a sack of diarrhea themselves and cannot handle the situation. Very typical.

I now work in a national office government department that manages providers of the government's employment services, though just recently moved over to education and working in that space.

Just for anyone's information, the concept of mutual obligation was actually introduced into law by the Hawke Labor government back in 1991 called The Social Security Act 1991. John Howard merely expanded on it by privatising the the employment services industry. Same Act of legislation that has been expanded upon over the years.

As for the poster above who criticised Julia Gillard for taking this country back to a third world country in terms of welfare, where were you when Howard was in government? The Liberals are far more ruthless. At least Labor are attempting to engage people through other means than work-for-the-dole such as work experience, training, education and other short courses, to expand on skills and training and so on, even if it merely helps people stay engaged and develop skills.

living on mega amounts of money is hard when you single and in the country.
then move that into one of the most expensive realestate markets in the world
and add children to the mix. the money isn't ment for sigarettes and booze, it's for
food rent and other basics. those who afford the other stuff are either making money
on the side or are not putting money into the basics, which only hurts them in the end.
being jobless for me was soal destroying, and most people who use the safty net
as it is intended to be will feel pretty mutch the same way. moviating people who
are "cofortable on the dole" is harder, apparently cattle prods are illegal in this case.
but if it's used correctly i have no problem with m y tax bucks going to that, defence
public health, education or anything else that stops australia becoming like that
self obsesed country like the US. What are my tax dollars doing helping the
poor and defence less, what is my tax dollars doing helping sewing that mans fingers
back on. the idea of a community is so the community gets the bennifit, social
security is ment to stop people starving and being thrown into the street, like happened
in the great depression, givern the current direction in the world ecconomy i think we
should be take a pause to think, nobody will have a safe job if the poo hits the fan.
during the great depression unemployment reached up to 20%, it was long and
hard and the people of this nation and many other nations suffered greatly,starvation
and eviction, if the banks go down in the EU the housing market in Australia will at
last burst, and not only will their be massive public debt but private as well we over
extend ourselves with big houses and massive lones which take two incomes to cover
so think again on socail secerity, because one day soon you just might be on it