The OWS crowd owes the Tea Party an apology.

Several posters have illustrated how the OWS movement has been hijacked by the socialists, communists, DNC, unions, nazi's, etc.
The followers of OWS reply with, "Just because some fringe groups have joined, it doesn't change who we are, or what we stand for."

Fine.

Where were you when the Tea Party was being charged with bigotry, racism, general hatred?
Oh yeah, you were the ones making those outlandish claims.

If this OWS group is going to be taken seriously, then the "99%" has to get alot more than the 5% that it has.

What our support? Want the Tea Party to join your crowd? Then stop being so vague. What do you want? What are your goals?

The Tea Party wants smaller government and personal responsibility.

Is that what you want?

Needless to say, the defenders of this movement need to start apologising real quick to the Tea Party.

If not? The you'll just be defining yourselves as big government shills for the progressive movement.

As Johnny Torch is want to say, "flame on!

reply to post by beezzer


I don't think they have been "Hijacked" as far as I can see, I don't see OWS having them come down and speak at their protests, etc.
I supported the Tea Party, as I would SUPPORT ANY PERSON, GROUP, ETC that decides to stand up and try to do something for our citizens. I don't think OWS has been effectively hijacked, if they do, they will lose my support. I just don't know at this point if it has been effectively hijacked as well as the Tea Party was, plus the tea party disbanded after allegations, maybe fortitude is all they needed which seems to be OWS has fortitude so far.
Also I never threw vitriol at the Tea Party either.

I agree that if we want the same things it would be most appropriate to stop flaming each other and stand together. And to quickly denounce all ties to the nutjob whackos who are throwing there support at OWS...like the NAzi and socialist parties...I hope they will (OWS ) will go publically denouncing any part of wanting their support, and tell them to stick it in their... well you get my drift

reply to post by beezzer

What the hell? First time I read about this.
Nazis actually attended at the OWS protests? What was the peoples reaction towards the Nazis?
Why are there no videos about this???

If Nazis showed up at the protests here in Germany they would face a pretty rough welcome...

Originally posted by beezzer
The followers of OWS reply with, "Just because some fringe groups have joined, it doesn't change who we are, or what we stand for."

Fine.

Where were you when the Tea Party was being charged with bigotry, racism, general hatred?
Oh yeah, you were the ones making those outlandish claims.

and with the above quote, Beezzer hits another one right on the head.

Where are the cries of outrage?

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by beezzer

 

I don't think they have been "Hijacked" as far as I can see, I don't see OWS having them come down and speak at their protests, etc.
I supported the Tea Party, as I would SUPPORT ANY PERSON, GROUP, ETC that decides to stand up and try to do something for our citizens. I don't think OWS has been effectively hijacked, if they do, they will lose my support. I just don't know at this point if it has been effectively hijacked as well as the Tea Party was, plus the tea party disbanded after allegations, maybe fortitude is all they needed which seems to be OWS has fortitude so far.
Also I never threw vitriol at the Tea Party either.

I agree that if we want the same things it would be most appropriate to stop flaming each other and stand together. And to quickly denounce all ties to the nutjob whackos who are throwing there support at OWS...like the NAzi and socialist parties...I hope they will (OWS ) will go publically denouncing any part of wanting their support, and tell them to stick it in their... well you get my drift

edit on 18-10-2011 by ldyserenity because: to add.

I read your post in the other thread, and thanks.

And if you were one of the few, the you can be rest assured of not being labeled a hypocrite.

While the communist party has not "spoken" they and other groups have marched. Until the OWS crowd gets organized, there won't be a central theme, something that people can define and get behind.

Right now, it's too undefined and filled with such conflicting messages, that it's no wonder that the DNC et al have thrown their support for them.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by beezzer

 

What the hell? First time I read about this.
Nazis actually attended at the OWS protests? What was the peoples reaction towards the Nazis?
Why are there no videos about this???

If Nazis showed up at the protests here in Germany they would face a pretty rough welcome...

Here's a thread on it
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by beezzer
The followers of OWS reply with, "Just because some fringe groups have joined, it doesn't change who we are, or what we stand for."

Fine.

Where were you when the Tea Party was being charged with bigotry, racism, general hatred?
Oh yeah, you were the ones making those outlandish claims.

and with the above quote, Beezzer hits another one right on the head.

Where are the cries of outrage?

edit on 10/18/2011 by freakjive because: (no reason given)

A humble thanks.
Your threads speak volumes as well!

reply to post by beezzer


True, it would be much more centralized if there could be an agreement on the issues but there are so many people there is bound to be conflicting ideas, but what I do see is a majority who want the same things and the more people with those same ideas like ending the FED and doing away with some loopholes in taxation (inluding the bottom half of the rung) and ending lobbying repealing obamacare...these things to me seem to be the uniting ideas. IMO. Which hopefully will grow, and hopefully they will not accept the nut fringe ideas. I don't know but I am hopeful that these outer fringe ideas dont take hold in this front it would only hurt the entire protest!

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by beezzer

 

True, it would be much more centralized if there could be an agreement on the issues but there are so many people there is bound to be conflicting ideas, but what I do see is a majority who want the same things and the more people with those same ideas like ending the FED and doing away with some loopholes in taxation (inluding the bottom half of the rung) and ending lobbying repealing obamacare...these things to me seem to be the uniting ideas. IMO. Which hopefully will grow, and hopefully they will not accept the nut fringe ideas. I don't know but I am hopeful that these outer fringe ideas dont take hold in this front it would only hurt the entire protest!

Bolded by me.
Those sound like Tea Party words!

Define the message, kick out the loons, oust DNC support (and GOP and blah blah blah support) and you might have the base required for change.

reply to post by beezzer

Thanks
Is there any more information about this? Pictures or videos of the Nazis at OWS would be appreciated.
I really have to know more about this and the reaction of the people towards the Nazis.

I think OWS should dissociate themselves from Nazis immediately!

reply to post by ColCurious
No idea. I saw the thread and the youtube vid of the nazi's.

If there's more, I'm sure it's out there.

reply to post by beezzer

Where were you when the Tea Party was being charged with bigotry, racism, general hatred? Oh yeah, you were the ones making those outlandish claims.

They were sitting right there calling the Tea Party all those names and now they are sitting there defending OWS tooth and nail calling anyone who doesn't agree with that ideology shills.disinfo agents,ignorant,liars and every other name they can come up with.

OWS is nothing more than "collective bargaining rights" for people who can't stand on their own so they prop themselves up with anyone and everyone have to say one good thing about their non discrimination policy which is why they accept communist's,marxist's,socialist, and nazi's.

The should aplogize but those same OWS supporters are the same ones who went around bashing the Tea Party.

It's a nobel sentiment but wouldn't trust them with anything they would sooner stab you in the back.

reply to post by neo96


Neo, I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt. Call me an ol' softy, but if they're against large government and espouse personal responsibility, then why not back them?

All they need to do is disavow the DNC endorsement, the nazi endorsement, the socialist endorsement, the union endorsement and stand on their own.

For ALL Americans.

You know, that 99%?

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God forgives
Beezer forgives

Neo doesn't too set in my ways we both have dealt with them being on the receiving end of some rather nastiness hell should have just read my u2 that used a perjorive term for the same sex.

How we end up in life is just as important as where there are clear political ideological differences between OWS and the TPM i personally cant get behind a group any group that will use any means necessary to accomplish their goals.

I do not trust them never will however that's just me people are free to do whatever they wish with in reason.

reply to post by neo96
Star for you my friend.

It doesn't cost me anything to allow them the benefit of doubt.

They have to EARN my support.
They have to EARN my trust.

I'm just giving them the oppourtunity.

Guess I'm a capitalist at heart.

I just sent a note to a friend/colleague, in that note I stated that I wanted to support the OWS crowd, but they do themselves an injustice by allowing such a broad "hate the rich" element and the socialist element into their message/moveent.

I'm not trying to define them and box them into a belief (they are doing it themselves) but I wish they'd solidify their goals and proceed in a more intelligent manner.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by neo96

 

Star for you my friend.

It doesn't cost me anything to allow them the benefit of doubt.

They have to EARN my support.
They have to EARN my trust.

I'm just giving them the oppourtunity.

Guess I'm a capitalist at heart.

Here, here!

But once support and trust have been earned, it can be easily lost with just one action.

That is a lesson that many of the OWS supporters must learn.

Originally posted by beezzer
Several posters have illustrated how the OWS movement has been hijacked by the socialists, communists, DNC, unions, nazi's, etc.
The followers of OWS reply with, "Just because some fringe groups have joined, it doesn't change who we are, or what we stand for."

Fine.

Where were you when the Tea Party was being charged with bigotry, racism, general hatred?

I'd note I was generally supportive of the Tea Party in 2008 when they appeared to be independent and entirely free of large scale backing with large scale agendas behind it. Being an OWS Occupier myself, I can say the Tea Party is universally hated where I'm at and I can't help but think that is as much misperceptions about individual tea party members and 9/12'ers as it is disgust at the buying out of the movement.

OWS is, at this point, 100% transparent and open for all to see and observe. That includes budgets. The other OWS sites keep each other honest as do the people back home on the chat side of the various camp live streams. I've see two occasions where Net contributions at GA called my group on procedural things and..yup..they were right. Someone was trying to cut a corner and pop...that ended that. People just can't seem to get their mind around the fact...there are no secret meetings or 'off to the side' discussions happening. Everyone can see everyone else in this places....It just isn't happening that I've seen and believe me, the very nature of those in the camps would be screaming bloody murder in 'mic check' glory if any rumors of such a thing actually held truth to it.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by beezzer

 

True, it would be much more centralized if there could be an agreement on the issues but there are so many people there is bound to be conflicting ideas, but what I do see is a majority who want the same things and the more people with those same ideas like ending the FED and doing away with some loopholes in taxation (inluding the bottom half of the rung) and ending lobbying repealing obamacare...these things to me seem to be the uniting ideas. IMO. Which hopefully will grow, and hopefully they will not accept the nut fringe ideas. I don't know but I am hopeful that these outer fringe ideas dont take hold in this front it would only hurt the entire protest!

Bolded by me.
Those sound like Tea Party words!

Define the message, kick out the loons, oust DNC support (and GOP and blah blah blah support) and you might have the base required for change.

edit on 18-10-2011 by beezzer because: d

Yep I am more a centrist I don't lean too far in any direction. I realize that too far leaning is unbalanced, we need to restore balance.

The OWS message doesn't seem at all vague to me.

In fact this sums things up pretty accurately imo:



The accusation of vagueness is a great way to attack the movement which is explicitly about the mishandling of our financial system by the robber barons in Wall Street.