Red October 2011; OWS, A Communist Initiative- History Repeats It's Self And They're Steps Ahead O

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good post S&F

good to see fellow Aussies with keen minds

found some interesting stuff..

Marx never held a regular job. When he submitted articles to the New York Tribune, articles actually written by Engels, he received a pound or two [British money] for each. Marx was paid pennies for another series of Engels' rewrites submitted to the Masonic-trained Foreign Office official David Urguhart (Chaitkin, p.303).

Engels realized that Marx was a potential martyr for the communist cause, so Engels brought Marx to England where his subservience was further enforced by a slave-like existence. Left-wing French Grand Orient Freemasonry [who was in war with British capitalistic Freemasonry] planned to exploit this Jew as their mouthpiece to blame the sad state of affairs of the poor on the British Masonic system of capitalism.

It may come as a surprise to many to learn that Engels did not hate capitalism. After all, he was the product of it. What he loathed was the British Masonic oligarchy. From its inception, left-wing French Freemasonry was determined to destroy right-wing English Freemasonry. Since capitalism was synonymous with the British Brotherhood, one must destroy capitalism to destroy the Masonic oligarchy. Communism would be the tool of that destruction.

Marx was only one in a long line of Jews who would be exploited to help accomplish this task. He was intentionally kept poor. Other than a few pennies for some articles he himself did not write, Marx's only other source of income came by way of philanthropic "contributions" from Engels, which amounted to a measly sum of 70 pounds sterling per year, with a low one year of 10 pounds. In comparison, Engels drew an annual salary from his family firm of 4,000 pounds sterling. If Engels was so fond of Marx, he certainly would have paid him enough to survive, for Marx's family was starving. Two of his children died of malnutrition and another committed suicide.

The most famous work attributed to Karl Marx is the Communist Manifesto Supposedly written in 1848, it was actually a rewrite of an earlier Engels' piece entitled Confessions of a Communist [and old Adam Weishaupt writings]. Of the Marx-Engels relationship, Chaitkin writes: "This was to be the pattern. The Cotton Prince [Engels] would write a draft, or simply make a suggestion for the appropriate theme of a work, and pass it along to Marx to put it in 'good revolutionary form," (Chaitkin, p.303).

The Templar Freemasonic scheme worked. Karl Marx, the Jew, would be called the Father of Communism, NOT Freemason Engels, and definitely NOT Grand Orient Freemasonry. The so-called "evils" of capitalism would be the whipping boy of communism. Jews only would be blamed if the communist conspiracy were ever exposed - NOT Grand Orient Freemasonry headquartered in France

pages more on this fascinating story here
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cheers

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1. I understand what my duty is.

2. I didn't check my brain at the door, I'm using it, and that's why I'm here.

3. I'm well aware of what the Constitution says, I keep one on me at all times. Not only that, I am keenly aware of the intent of the Founders. I'm as unhappy about the situation we find ourselves in as anyone else. I just don't think killing isn't the answer, at least not yet.

4. As I have said in post after post, all revolutions are not equal, and all intent is not pure. I urge caution and thought on what it might mean. There's plenty of arm chair revolutionaries who fancy the idea of being George Washington when they aren't even a quarter of the man he was and still is. Revolutions are RARELY successful and end up with the intended outcomes of those who foster it. I have given but a few examples, history provides many more. That said, some commie revolutionaries would be hard pressed to find a friend in me. I would purge them with extreme prejudice the second the order came down, make no mistake.

5. I have also said repeatedly that there are conditions under which I would support a revolution against the US government. Those conditions have not yet been met. When they are we will all know it and you can count me among the ranks that will fight and die to preserve the Republic.

correct me if I'm wrong here......

Marxism states that capitalism=communism, in other words capitalism will eventually lead to communism when people discover they work for 1-2%,..

a.k.a democrats, trying to spread the wealth.

Isn't this what is happening as we speak?? the majority protesting against the 1-2%?? so what's the big deal and lengthy OP's?? Marxism is a pretty a straight forward philosophy..

Originally posted by wlord
correct me if I'm wrong here......

Marxism states that capitalism=communism, in other words capitalism will eventually lead to communism when people discover they work for 1-2%,..



Isn't this what is happening as we speak?? the majority protesting against the 1-2%?? so what's the big deal and lengthy OP's?? Marxism is a pretty a straight forward philosophy..

Yes, I will correct you. Can you please provide me a source supporting your claim "Marxism states that capitalism= communism"?

Now firstly to quote Karl Marx himself on the greatest lie he seen within capitalism (which I tend to agree with him on);

"The interests of the capitalist and those of the worker are... one and the same"- Karl Marx

I'm all for a bit of contention but a) you seem quite confused as b) you speak with conviction but seem to ask a lot of questions.

Originally posted by wlord

Isn't this what is happening as we speak?? the majority protesting against the 1-2%?? so what's the big deal and lengthy OP's??

Did you read a word of what I have written mate?

The reason for the lenghty OP wasn't to try and explain the inevitable transition between Capitalism and Communism that you for some reason have conjured. If you re-read it (if infact you read it at all) you will find that it is a piece drawing parallels in the political climate and events that led to the Russian revolution with events of today.

There were parallels drawn between the 1% of today and the 1% identified by the Bolsheviks.

Originally posted by wlord

Marxism is a pretty a straight forward philosophy..

Is it?

Marxism is certainly not a straight forward philosophy by any means and there are many derivatives that come from Marxism including but not limited to;

-Leninism
-Maoism
-Trotskyism
-Revisionism
-Hoxhaism
-Eurocommunism
-Marxist feminism

It is not straight forward doctrine.

P.S I took quite some time and effort putting this post together and then some more to reiterate certain points to you that were covered in the OP. Next time you come at me with statements like "What's the big deal and lenghty OP?" and make wild, ill researched assumptions such as "Marxism is a pretty straight forward philosophy" atleast try to exemplify somewhere that you have bothered to read the OP thoroughly and on subjects you are too stubborn to admit little knowledge in- check the links provided for explanations.

Peace kid.

i said capitalism=communism because capitalism leads eventually to communism. this is MARXISM KID.

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A lot of the Marxist ideas sprang up during the hot and heavy industrial revolution.
TPTB needed a way to control "production" as any slowdowns would now cost big money.
"production" = "population control"

Some "uprisings" in Europe in the mid 1800's had Marx himself watch'n real close....
as if he had nothing to do with any of it

The European Revolutions of 1848, known in some countries as the Spring of Nations, Springtime of the Peoples[3] or the Year of Revolution, were a series of political upheavals throughout Europe in 1848. It was the first (and only) Europe-wide collapse of traditional authority, but within a year reactionary forces had won out and the revolutions collapsed.

Revolutions of 1848

From 1848 to 1852, Europe was convulsed by a series of Revolutions which all ultimately failed by 1852 with the restoration of either dictatorship or the reestablishment of conservative rule. The revolutions started in a part of Italy in 1848, but the real spark was in France in 1848. From there, as news spread, revolutions broke out in other parts of Italy, Prussia, Austria and the German Confederation. However, internal divisions based on nationalism and on a radical/liberal split soon weakened the revolutionaries. By 1852 conservatives had taken advantage of the weaknesses and regained power. In France, Napoleon Bonaparate's nephew, Louis Napoleon took power in a coup d'etat.

The Revolutions first started out in France 1848 where the people wanted universal suffrage which was led by Louis Blanc. King Louis Philippe was overthrown and Louis Blanc's revolution established the second republic. The February revolution in France gave ideas to other countries in Europe which in turn started other revolutions. The February revolution in France also gave to Liberals in the German states the idea to make a proposal for a unified German country with a national parliament. But the old order was restored because the provisional government couldn't decide on a constitution for the new government. The Italian states of Europe also had a revolution which made Pope Pius IX flee Italy. This gave a leader of unification, Gieuseppe Mazzini the chance to unify Italy. This plot of Mazzini was a failure because of the Italians overwhelming protectiveness of their independence.

Within the Austrian Empire there was increased Nationalism among the Czechs, Hungarians, Germans, and other groups. This increased nationalism in March of 1848 led to riots and the ousting of Prince Klemens von Metternich and Ferdinand I, the Hapsburg Emperor. This led to the making of a constituent assembly which freed the peasantry. However, liberals and radicals were soon squabbling and subject nations began to demand autonomy from Vienna. Finally, along with Russian troops, the Hapsburgs restored themselves and regained control.

Revolutions of 1848..cont


History repeating itself?

Those days in Europe look a lot like the "Arab Springs" and a little like OWS

"a new revolution is possible only in consequence of a new crisis"
-Karl Marx

Marx

The worker becomes all the poorer the more wealth he produces, the more his production increases in power and range. The worker becomes an ever cheaper commodity the more commodities he creates. With the increasing value of the world of things proceeds in direct proportion to the devaluation of the world of men. Labour produces not only commodities; it produces itself and the worker as a commodity -- and does so in the proportion in which it produces commodities generally.

-Marx, Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)