Room for one more? World population to reach 7 BILLION in next few days

If you are a cornucopian who believes in unlimited or nearly unlimited growth, here is something to consider. www.albartlett.org...

The human population can’t grow forever. We live on a finite planet with finite resources. I don’t know at exactly what level the population will outstrip our resources, but I would not be surprised if it happens towards the middle of this century. Of course something could happen to reduce our population before that point.

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I dont really care about Casement and what he had to say, that history isnt what is driving the problems today and there was nothing racist about my thread. Mention India and how it is fast becoming one of the largest economies, why, because of its colonisation and when they left, India was given a fast push into the modern era, were they raped, perhaps at the time, but what was left were the tools and opportunities and infrastructure to become what they are today.

As for paying for my healthcare, thats the point, I do pay for it, I also pay for all the people out of work and all the people too ill to work, and guess what, that NHS i pay for is so overloaded that I have to pay for it again, privately so dont try and make out I am cheap, I pay for it, the NHS isnt free, its paid for by the workers. In fact everything that I pay for is so undermined by the increase in population and the corruption of the country I find now I have to work beyond 65 years of age. Its you that doesnt understand how the system works in the UK.

I wouldnt know anything about Combat 18, I am not a skin head or supporter of that, what I am a supporter of is keeping my house in order before I let every tom dick and harry from overseas to come along and bog down the country whilst not contributing. I am talking about poor eastern europeans willing to work for peanuts cos they dont pay tax wilst my friends lose work to them cos they have to charge more cos they contribute, same as the Oirish 'travellers'. And where did Ireland come from anyway, what have they got to do with anything? Or is that something else you think we should be paying for today because of dcisions in the past? I suppose you think we should return the Falklands to Argentina, well in that case, return America to the Indians, or again, is that the English's fault and we should be paying for it.

And there at the same time are millions on this earth getting hand outs - gods gifts, what god, I meant their hands, find something the country can offer the earth instead of just bumming off the rest of us, waiting for us to come up with cures and ways to improve their lives.

7 Billion people on this earth and they arent all pulling their weight, thats what Im saying. Nothing racist or bigoted about it, fact, there are too many leechers. Africa was one example.

As for me thinking I have a right to anything because great grandpa whoever fought whoever, not really, what happened back then happened, i cant change that and I certainly dont have any obligation to put right what was done in history because I am English and they did some pretty bad things back then, I have no debts to repay.

I live by the laws and rules of my country, work hard and pay my taxes, recycle what I can, cut down on pollution where I can.

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That was a whole lot better than your first post(which was bigoted if not racist).And you've made some fair points about the symptoms of overpopulation.However I think you are misidentifying the root cause.We in the developed world, and to a greater extent, our ancestors have collectively allowed this to happen.

We were the first to overpopulate, driven by commerce and industrial progress, and let's face it, blatant greed.We can't simply start blaming the bottom of the pile.Given the pyramidal power structure in our politics and economics, I'd say this is a top-down problem, not a ground-up one.

We endorsed and participated in a capitilistic orgy of profit and cut throat competition.Competition, so desired by capitalists,free markets, deregulation, winner takes all.

And that's the thing we forget about with competion.Competitions only have one winner. All the other participants are varying grades of loser.

What the world needs is co-operation and understanding of the situation we are in and what we need to do to resolve it .At a global level we haven't overpopulated yet.But in a few generations we will .

The easily impose a tax on people having 3 or more kids, or at least means test the family.If we were mature enough as a society we could all volunteer to do this without any rules or laws or fines etc.But unfortunately we are not.This would only slow growth. Something simply has to be done or future generations will wish they were never born

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thanx for the info, i generally dont get all my info from just one source and just thought that in this specific case it sounded like a plausable veiw, and still does. with all the births and deaths that take place every day, we cant ever predict (accurately) the exact world population.
but like i said thanx for the info, what are your oppinions on 'BBC Focus' and 'Scientific American' as i frequently read these publications too

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No, no, I wasn't suggesting that about this thread at all.
Sorry if it came across that way.

It would be helpful if they could come up with a more precise way of knowing exactly how many people there are.
If it is 1Billion less, it makes all the difference on whether we are on the teetering point or not.
So these numbers should be accurate.
But I've read from specialists in the field that is impossible to really know the exact population of the Earth.

When numbers are exaggerated it then makes me ask what is the Agenda behind it.
Because there nearly always is and it very rarely is to help the common person.

Originally posted by blah yada
Would it not be frugal to get a head start then. Where are all these hauliage space craft. Who owns them. Where and when were the launch tests and docking tests.

Delta IV Heavy lifters... Boeing

Launches from Kwajalien Atoll, Sea Launch and several other places

United Launch Alliance

SPACE TRANSPORTATION FOR A LUNAR RESOURCES BASE (LRB)
Hubert P. Davis, Starcraft Boosters, Inc.
www.lpi.usra.edu...

One of several thousand papers on Lunar and Martian mining resources and projects on the go at Lunar and Planetary Institute.. Read that paper carefully... follow the leads. It is only one page of one meeting abstract, yet has so much information

See the company? Starcraft Boosters, Inc. Who owns that?
buzzaldrin.com...

In the paper you see the Aquila Cargo transport... what is that?
buzzaldrin.com...

Yes we have the tech... yes we are working on it.... but NASA has various levels of information 1) for the public, 2) for serious researchers and scientists and 3) the secret stuff. Don't believe me? On any NASA page read the fine print at the bottom... under "Freedom of Information Act"
then click on "Availability of Agency Records to Members of the Public"...
then click on "1206.200 Types of records to be made available. "
then click on "Exemptions"

(b) The requirements of this part to make Agency records available do not apply to matters that are--

(1)

(i) Specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive Order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and

(ii) Are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive Order;

(2) Related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of NASA;

(3) Specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than 5 U.S.C. 552), provided that such statute:

(i) Requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or

(ii) Establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld;

(4) Trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person which is privileged or confidential;

Exotic tech

William Lear worked wit TT Brown ubder the DoD in 1952 on Anti Gravity tech
Project Winterhaven

Today Buzz Aldrin, head of Starcraft Booster Inc is Senior Science Adviser to Gravwave LLC a company doing anti gravity work with the CHINESE
Page 9
www.gravwave.com...

CHINESE & US GRAVWAVE JOINT HFGW PROJECT
www.gravwave.com...

Problem is that Obama just told NASA that he is cutting funding for them to go to the Moon and no Mars for 20 years, but they can go to an asteroid

NASA patent on a LIQUID cargo ship This is a special version of the Aquila designed to carry liquified HE3 from the moon.
Publication number: US5092545
A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.

www.thelivingmoon.com...

HE3 is a fusion fuel that exists in TONS on the moons surface 25 tons, the capacity of one shuttle, can power the entire USA for one year, there are several million tons up there

HH Schmitt, Apollo astronaut, senator and head of InterLuneInterMars inc mining company and teaches HE3 at Wisconsin/Madison U Fusion department

REPORT ON THE CONSTRUCTION AND TESTING OF A BUCKET WHEEL EXCAVATOR
The Northern Centre for Advanced Technologies Inc. (NORCAT), in partnership with Electric
Vehicle Controllers Ltd. (EVC), is presently engaged in the development and adaptation of
existing mining technologies and methodologies for use extra-terrestrially as precursor and
enabling technologies for ISRU and for use as ISSE in support of longer term missions.
More specifically, NORCAT, in collaboration with Colorado School of Mines, has developed,
constructed, and tested a bucket wheel excavator. The unit is based upon the design developed by
CSM’s Mike Duke and Tim Muff.

Tim Muff now works for Lockheed Martin Skunk works
www.lpi.usra.edu...

All this exotic tech is a long way off and we will be far too busy fighting for survival on an infested Earth to ever make much of it happen.We will drown in our own excrement long before that.

No its not, it is simply hidden from the average public's view, because they are to busy to LOOK


Date Taken: 01/12/86


But heck... I have been showing this stuff for years... where have you been?

Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
I'm glad most people are willing to destroy national parks and kill off wildlife and other land so we can introduce millions of more useless people in this world so we can eventually have a big cesspool of human waste on this planet. People keep thinking of short term solutions but fail to realize in a little over a century, the majority of land will be covered by human settlements with the way we are breeding. What happens then?

What right do you lay claim to in order to call other people USELESS??? These types of posts simply slay me...And we have already demonstrated the majority of land will NOT be covered by human settlements...The fact you are so easily deluded into believing nonsense and are so capable of calling other people useless is really quite disturbing...

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
One question I've never seen answered by the populationalists to any degree of satisfaction is why do we need a world with 10 billion people? Why in a world of depleting natural resources is 10 billion preferable over 4 or 5? We can't even manage a balance with under 7 million. FFS! Drop the insane, utopian fantasies!

What we need is a major reduction.

IRM

First, in order to adequately answer your question, you would need to provide a list of what natural resources you are so concerned about...I have been hearing this nonsense about overpopulation for half a century, so be careful about what you provide...

Originally posted by bekod
so you will let an other 1billion starve? www.globalresearch.ca... from the link

The number of starving people in the world has exceeded one billion.

Every sixth earthling is underfed. This follows from a report made public by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, FAO, Director-General Jacques Diouf.

The official pointed out that the situation owes to the economic crisis and high food prices.

The FAO Chief warned that unless urgent measures were taken, the number of those starving may have exceeded 9 billion the world over by the year 2050. The recent St. Petersburg international grain summit took up food security and urgent moves to be made amid the current world crisis.

so is this humane nature or is it human nature to let one starve?

Actually, it is due to people in charge NOT allowing the food to get to the people who need it...the San Joaquin Valley ALONE grows more than enough food each year to more than adequately feed the world's population, with enough left over to throw away...

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by HellsTruant

 

Yeah someone said that earlier. Unfortunately that's the size of my condo; the condo I'm moving from because it's too small even for just me. Also remember that wouldn't include infrastructure, farmland, businesses etc. Hell if we wanted to we could just stack people one on top of the other all the way to the Moon.

You are the one who started this thread, and then you have the unmitigated GALL to come up with this as a response!!! I cannot believe this!!! You, of all people coming here to say that a 1400 sq ft condo is to SMALL FOR YOU!!! I CALL BS on the whole thing!!!

Human population growth is not sustainable and if left to run its course it will be the cause of the biggest conflict the world will ever know. Nuclear weapons exist. It is therefore logical to assume that it is only a matter of time and those nuclear weapons will certainly be used. Over population has already caused major conflicts.

As a child in the 1970's I read the book by the Club of Rome called the "Limits to Growth". It was obvious to me that I must not contribute to the over population problem. Thus I decided to be celibacy. Even still here I am all these years later still being celibacy. I have no wife or children. I am therefore not contributing to the over population problem. The lack of resources necessary to sustain our human population growth is already a problem. How many millions are suffering starvation ? Perhaps using the nuclear weapons on them will be seen as a merciful end to their sufferings ?

The law that I live by and which is holding us all bonded is called PRAECEPTAE CAELENIUM (tm). I did not read it in a book. You will not find it in any book. It was revealed to me by audio clairvoyance during the celebrations of the New Millennium in 2000. Summed up it basically means no sex no drugs and no violence. (1) From eternity to eternity, infinity to infinity, there be the one absolute. The One True God. Her names are many but she be the one true God there be no other God. The one judge there be no other judge. (2) La Deus Nostra, Notre Dame, Our Lady, The Holy Spirit, the cause the maker Cosmica. (3) Angelic powers of truth and beauty and righteousness be sure to be loving Her Holiness Above with all your mind and with all your heart and with all your strength. (4) So as to be pleasing to Her Holiness Above therefore do not be serving the masculine. (5) Do not be and do not allow masculinity into positions of government. (6) Honour and respect the virgin pureness of the christae. (7) Honour and respect the Immaculate Conception [parthenogenesis] reproductive process of the christae. (8) Do not fornicate or adulterate or sodomize. (9) Do not bully or torture or murder. (10) Do not lie. (11) Do not steal. (12) Do not be covetous. (13) Do not be jealous. Copyright NGL(c)2000.

He who trusts in violence to be his security cannot speak that he trusts in God to be his security.

AVE RAEGINA CAELINA LA DEUS NOSTRA CAELI LA VERA DEUS

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While I respect your right to believe as you wish, relying on a Malthusian-influenced, outdated papal discourse, that actually happens to CONFLICT with Holy Scripture, seems to be an unwise course of action... In addition, I would like for you to provide some concept of the word, "starving."

Originally posted by blackhillsbrutality
Wow I had no idea North America had one of the lowest populations. I'd figure we'd be up there higher with all the baby factory women we have here in the midwest.

Given that most of the worlds population is non-white (over 6 billion).
Good on them for doing so.

Also most of the growth in population comes from Africa and Asia.

China would be in chaos now if it hadn't adopted the child-limit policy's etc.

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How do you substantiate the last statement in your post?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


You need to either wake up or stop supporting the ptb agenda of over-population.

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I think you need to re-read the post that you just responded to as being in support of the PTB position of overpopulation...

The only ones who are "worried" about "over-population" and come up with "solutions" for it (as in restricting the number of children one can have) are those who think they will live forever - they think the earth will be here forever and do not really believe in the ultimate truth, which is: the End is much nearer than they think. So, no, do not worry about not having enough resources and space for all the humans, because before it comes to that, the Earth will be no more.

... and do not kill your children out of (fear of) poverty; We will provide for you and them. - Qur'an, 6:151

They ask you about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." - Qur'an, 7:187

Originally posted by jeichelberg

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
One question I've never seen answered by the populationalists to any degree of satisfaction is why do we need a world with 10 billion people? Why in a world of depleting natural resources is 10 billion preferable over 4 or 5? We can't even manage a balance with under 7 million. FFS! Drop the insane, utopian fantasies!

What we need is a major reduction.

IRM

First, in order to adequately answer your question, you would need to provide a list of what natural resources you are so concerned about...I have been hearing this nonsense about overpopulation for half a century, so be careful about what you provide...

No. You don't need that information to tell me why 10 billion (arbitrary number) is preferable to 4 or 5. I set the rules of discourse by asking the initial question. Either you play by those rules or don't play at all.

Yet another person who uses lazy tactics when they can't provide an answer to a simple question.

IRM

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... and do not kill your children out of (fear of) poverty; We will provide for you and them. - Qur'an, 6:151

But they do not provide for them.

reply to post by InfaRedMan

You don't need that information to tell me why 10 billion (arbitrary number) is preferable to 4 or 5.

Id say 2-3 billion max is ideal, and even that is pushing it. To come up with this number, I just need to look around the world and see how many people live a medium-high quality of life lifestyle.

Then there is the question of oil, the major factor fueling population explosion. If peak oil coincidences with peak population in the future, the results would be disastrous.