Washington Post: "Americans favor Occupy Wall Street far more than Tea Party"

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The article should have been titled "Liberal America favor . . blah blah blah. the protest is full of conspiracy theorists, rich lazy kids, 9/11 truthers, Communist, Marxist, Criminals. If these represent the true America then America is sunk.

there were 800,000 minimum in Washington for the Tea Party Event. These guys at the "Flea Party OWS" event can't get over 5,000 at any given time.

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
reply to post by negativenihil

 

The article should have been titled "Liberal America favor . . blah blah blah. the protest is full of conspiracy theorists, rich lazy kids, 9/11 truthers, Communist, Marxist, Criminals. If these represent the true America then America is sunk.

there were 800,000 minimum in Washington for the Tea Party Event. These guys at the "Flea Party OWS" event can't get over 5,000 at any given time.

edit on 14-10-2011 by ChesterJohn because: spelling

And there we have it. Can we get the "Sheepie" award of the year for this member?

Thanks.

reply to post by ChesterJohn


Gee whiz, sounds like you know first hand, 'course you had to walk past the laid off steel workers, the homeless middle class families, the soldiers, the police officers, the banker who are still employed but agree that it's time to change and thousands of other living symptoms of systemic cancer. There's alot of them down there, with more joining every day and the fun part is that the worse things get, the more there will be. That's what America does. We fight.

I'm so sick of the media trying to divide this country more than it already is. Its time for us to stand up together and take it back from the corporations and banks.

Every American should join the Occupy protests that are taking place around the country.

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Just to illustrate the utter hypocrisy:

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
There is no doubt that OWS will be MUCH BIGGER than the Tea Party for the simple reason that the Tea Party became the party that represents only the 1% of Americans. OWS is the movement that represents the other 99% of us.

Its very simple, do the MATH folks. 99% vs 1%

OWS =

TP =

The Tea Party is the losing party.

Its GREAT to be for a WINNER. Winner = OWS.

Too bad for those bitter TP folks, battered, bruised, and humiliated. Waaa, waa!

edit on 14-10-2011 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)

May I ask a few questions?
What are the OWS goals?
Would they encourage a smaller government ideology?
Would they support restricting lobbying towards government?
Would they endorse a return to personal responsibility?

Thanks and regards in advance.
Beez

Smaller government means less regulation which means more corporate influence of our legislative process and more pollution and less equality for the working man.

Do you honestly think the corporations would behave themselves in a world without government regulation? If you do, please read up on the events that led to the formation of the EPA. I'll give you a hint, The lakes had started on fire because of how much pollution was pumped into them. After which the people protested by the thousands and Nixon formed the EPA to shut them up.

And who might i ask is going to regulate your lobbyist? The big government you hate so much? By the way, lobbying is actual an appropriate thing in our republic (or representative democracy). It gives special interests and other groups a way to voice their opinions to their representatives. The problem isn't the lobbying, the problem is the money the lobbyist are allowed to donate to the election campaigns of the politicians. Publicly funded elections would solve this problem.

double post

reply to post by negativenihil


The protestors are not protesting the products the corporations make, they are protesting the influence they wield over legislation and public policy.

There is no hypocrisy only your ignorance.

Obviously corporations are very good at some things, like the production of useful devices. But when they donate large amounts of cash to the very people we elected to regulate them, their is a serious conflict of interest. One that should be called out.

oh and by the way, your signature is hilarious considering the context of your post.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
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Really? This is hilarious... anyone with half a brain and just a little bit of common sense can see that this is nothing more than Progressive propaganda designed to influence the ignorant, young, and impressionable voters. The Obama admin is scared to death and they know that their days are numbered. Just look at the number of people that attend the large, national Tea Parties compared to the number of people at the Occupy Wall Street protests. There is no comparison, because the tea parties are numbered in the tens of thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands), whereas the OWS protests are numbered in the hundreds and the thousands. Hell, Glenn Beck's 8/28 rally had roughly 300,000+ people there. The Washington Compost is a very left leaning media source, so what else would you expect from them but a "story" like this.

Where was this poll taken? D.C... NYC... San Fran... or any other city from the great Utopia known as Libtardia? If a poll is taken in a bunch of left leaning areas then these results are clearly going to be the result. To be fair, if it were taken in right leaning areas the results would be the opposite. Polls are always skewed. I believe what my eyes and ears tell me, not what some lefty newspaper tells me.

Finally the vast majority of people that are at the OWS protests or are supportive of the OWS protests are ignorant followers. They are useful idiots. They are incapable of realizing the hypocrisy and the nonsensical aspect to their message. Just look at all of the people tweeting their garbage about corporate greed, and how big corporations are the problem. Again, they are TWEETING... so where did TWITTER come from? What is TWITTER? It's a very large, international corporation that exists solely because of CAPITALISM, and the freedom for someone to come up with an idea and then run with it. The same can be said about Facebook and Google, and yet none of these "socialists" protesting the large corporations have a problem with using the aforementioned large corporations as a medium for getting their message across.

These people are not against capitalism

They are against corruption that exists between the banks and the government.

I suppose conservatives should stop using Facebook or watching movie because of
the liberal connection?

I would stop drinking your own wine, it is probably why people are not attracted to the
Tea Party... You guys are petty and pessimistic much of the time.

I'm not a member of the Tea Party... because they aren't radical enough for me. I make Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal. Anyway, the OSW protesters aren't against capitalism?! Have you seen the signs? Socialism this... Socialism that. I want free, free, free. There are very few people that have actually articulated any rational points or ideas. Having said that, I do realize that my perspective is limited, and my opinion is solely based on what I have seen and heard from the MSM and talk radio, but these OSW people are the same type of ignorant "activists" that have always reared there heads with their illogical and ignorant ideas. The vast majority of them are incapable of performing even the most basic of critical thinking processes. They are motivated by uninformed rhetoric and misplaced emotion. I'm all for these protests because the idiots are exposing themselves for what and who they trully are, and that will make it much easier for real Americans to distinguish between the truth and the lies next election, although I personally believe that our problems can not be solved through the electoral process.

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Wow. Awesome picture. It shows people who are angry with corporate takeover in Washington with cameras. What's your point? Oh it's suppose to show hypocrisy?

I think you kinda failed with your objective to be honest.

Originally posted by VivaDiscordia
reply to post by ChesterJohn

 

Gee whiz, sounds like you know first hand, 'course you had to walk past the laid off steel workers, the homeless middle class families, the soldiers, the police officers, the banker who are still employed but agree that it's time to change and thousands of other living symptoms of systemic cancer. There's alot of them down there, with more joining every day and the fun part is that the worse things get, the more there will be. That's what America does. We fight.

Our steel industry was sunk when the FDA, the EPA and the rest of the letter gangs decided to shut down the steel industry in the US. And the Unions dictate how much salary will be for only 4 hours of Actual working time and demanded far above normal retirement packages and medical packages which many of these companies were forced to accept at the violence of Union Thugs. So out of the need to make affordable steel/metal products to compete in the world market, these corporations took the Industry to China, Brazil and elsewhere.

Even our computer industry has gone over seas not because of Corporate greed but because of common sense decisions to produce a product that is affordable on the world market. The EPA, USFD, and other groups decided we can't mine our own rare earth in California, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona and Utah. And that we are not allowed to make plastic any more in the US because of its highly carcinogenic pollution.

The sheeple are people like you who will wake up one day and find yourself being herded down the broad way of destruction. it will be then when you ask how did we get here? and the answer will be, we the people stood up against the wrong people and all along the REAL puppet masters who spin the free thinking society expressed here on ATS goes unpunished and ignored.

See you at the finish line.

Outrageous claim that Americans like the OWS better than Tea Party. OWS gets fussy wussy over people not wanting their Socialist Utopia, yelling on videos and stirring up violence. The whole premise is ridiculous. The MSM chewed up the Tea Party and spit it out, but got all fussy when Tea Partiers made inroads into the political process. Now comes the Leftist version of T Party and the lib media is eating it up now that MoveOn and the Soros team has given their nod.
What a disgusting display. Average Americans do not appreciate the violence.

reply to post by ChesterJohn


Did it ever occur to you that the steel industry might have scaled back the corporate salaries to make up the difference in wages paid to the workers? The reason they relocated is not that the American worker demanded too much or put out an inferior product, but that they didn't want to invest in new plants and wanted to increase corporate salaries.

Most of the steel industry in the US was pre-World War II based, and was showing signs of age, in pointof fact, much of it was worn out.

In contrast, the steel industry overseas was mostly new, due to the fact that our air forces bombed the holy crap out of them during the war, and they had no choice but to rebuild new. Consequently they were more efficient than the 19th century relics in the US. So my goodness, why build a new factory in your own country and employ your own people when you could strengthen the countries of your former enemies and employ them cheaper, plus get your own people to subsidize your profits?

In another era, such behavior was considered treason.

Now it's just smart business.

Smart business for an individual, catastrophe for a nation.

That is what this protest is about: a desire to end the selfish, useless accumulation of wealth for a few individuals at the expense of the nation.

From where does one derive the "right" to unlimited wealth anyway?

No moral, ethical, or legal system I know of justifies it, and it shouldn't be allowed just because someone wants it.

Wealth should be capped.

Originally posted by apacheman
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Did it ever occur to you that the steel industry might have scaled back the corporate salaries to make up the difference in wages paid to the workers? The reason they relocated is not that the American worker demanded too much or put out an inferior product, but that they didn't want to invest in new plants and wanted to increase corporate salaries.

Most of the steel industry in the US was pre-World War II based, and was showing signs of age, in pointof fact, much of it was worn out.

In contrast, the steel industry overseas was mostly new, due to the fact that our air forces bombed the holy crap out of them during the war, and they had no choice but to rebuild new. Consequently they were more efficient than the 19th century relics in the US. So my goodness, why build a new factory in your own country and employ your own people when you could strengthen the countries of your former enemies and employ them cheaper, plus get your own people to subsidize your profits?

In another era, such behavior was considered treason.

Now it's just smart business.

Smart business for an individual, catastrophe for a nation.

That is what this protest is about: a desire to end the selfish, useless accumulation of wealth for a few individuals at the expense of the nation.

From where does one derive the "right" to unlimited wealth anyway?

No moral, ethical, or legal system I know of justifies it, and it shouldn't be allowed just because someone wants it.

Wealth should be capped.

I would be interested in what the average income is of foreign steel workers-- particularly in the non-capitalist countries.

I also recall how the industrial companies in the US had complained bitterly that the tax and depreciation schedules required by the IRS were forcing US factories to run ancient equipment while other nations tax structures provided incentives for updating equipment.

So where the problem really is, and where blame is placed is not so cut and dried.

I think that is reasonable to consider without regard to ideology.

Originally posted by apacheman
What gets me is how the conservatives rail against the government and Washington, usually ending with the assertion that if only businessmen with practical experience were in charge, everything would be just fine.

Excuse me?

Last time, and every time I've checked, the government and Washington were filled with nothing but businessmen. Every politician I know or am aware of is either a businessman, a corporate executive (not exactly the same thing, but close), or a toady to the business community who never worked a minimum wage job or had to actually compete in the economy on their own.

Businessmen pretty much don't know or care about anything but making money, and governments aren't in that line of work, rightfully so.

The paradigms businessmen bring to the table are ill-suited to deal with problems of governance, because governance shouldn't and can't be about making money. They are oriented to promoting individual wealth-building over addressing collective needs. "Running government like a business" ensures corruption and failure every time.

Most Americans support OWS because they find it impossible to side with the opposition and still maintain touch with reality.

When being unemployed constitutes disqualification for employment, no one in their right mind can NOT support OWS.

Left/right/upside down doesn't matter against the reality of massive unemployment, massively obvious fraud, massively obvious corruption, and massively obvious destruction of the environment.

Au contraire!

From Report: Majority of Congress with no education in business

Almost 80 percent of lawmakers have no academic background in business or economics, even as Congress grapples with deficits, unemployment and other economic issues of tremendous complexity, according to an independent analysis released Tuesday.

The Employment Policies Institute (EPI) found that only 8.4 percent of lawmakers majored in economics or a related field, while just 13.7 percent studied topics related to business or accounting.

and ...

Most Capitol Hill lawmakers (55.7 percent) focused their studies on government, law or the humanities, EPI found, while 11.5 percent majored in science- or technology-related fields.

In other words, when you wrote

Last time, and every time I've checked, the government and Washington were filled with nothing but businessmen.

You actually never checked at all.

Please, feel free to assert uninformed opinion as fact-- everyone else does, and don't forget to imply intimate studied knowledge of what you never bothered to look up.

You will make a fine politician. Good work.