Washington Post: "Americans favor Occupy Wall Street far more than Tea Party"

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by negativenihil

 

yeah well i seem to remember republicans in wisconsin as so many threads on ats made it out to be

but they still have their jobs your free to believe everything you read your right but those dreams always seem to be shattered case in point.

not to derail your thread it is about a left leaning liberal magazine poll your right.

What?

What do Wisconsin Republicans have to do with the poll conducted by Time showing Americans favor OWS over the tea party?

Please stop trying to derail and disrupt this thread. Again, I'm sorry the numbers didn't pan out with your world view, and I know that must hurt, but please... Let's stay on topic.

reply to post by neo96


people who choose sides are not trying to help this country, they are trying to tear it apart.

i listen to everyone, maybe you should try it out before you no longer have the option?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by BohemianBrim

 

my attempt? hitler,chez,chavez,stalin and mao worshippers at ows thats not twisted thats the fact.

so many people on this site are in denaial ows its nothing what people are making it out to be take a good look at those demands on their website.

hard left wing extreme ideology.

edit on 13-10-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

I dare say that most of the people doing the protesting are far far far removed from the ideas of " hitler,chez,chavez,stalin and mao" Communism was a big deal a long time ago - not so much now. These people seem to be protesting because they have been screwed. Of course it probably doesn't help your argument when the biggest communist country is building all those sweet sweet consumer items and the really socialist countries are consistently ranked as the places people are happiest and most satisfied with their lives. Bummer

That is if I follow your post - a bit hard to do.

Originally posted by spyder550
I'm an American from a family that goes waaaay back and I find most of what the Tea Party wails about shallow and simplistic - some of it just mean spirited. I don't agree with them at all -- I am an American am I less of an American than them, because they say so.

My assessment was based upon personal experience and a perceived reality, not a poll.

Might I ask what are three main aspects of tea party ideals you consider shallow and mean spirited, or that you disagree with?

I would say that anyone who believes in infringing on someones rights and property is unAmerican. Not that you believe that, but many of the OWS people tend to.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by BohemianBrim

 

my attempt? hitler,chez,chavez,stalin and mao worshippers at ows thats not twisted thats the fact.

so many people on this site are in denaial ows its nothing what people are making it out to be take a good look at those demands on their website.

hard left wing extreme ideology.

edit on 13-10-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

the ideology of the French Revolutionists wasnt the greatest either, but ignoring them hardly helped those who found themselves next in line to lose their head.

this whole mess has only reached this point because people, such as yourself, refuse to see eye to eye and understand where the other is coming from. you all refuse to compromise and come up with better ideas than the crappy ones you both have.


now it may be too late im afraid. those in TRUE power have rode this wave of distraction far up out of our reach.

reply to post by negativenihil


you linked another thread what did that have to do with the op i have heard the same old song rights in trouble heres a thread theres the proof.

so here hows it related to your point the tea party is in trouble same thing that was said about them and the Rs and the wisconsin elections proved those accusations to be false.

my point of contention here is do not believe everything you hear or read rather simple.

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by spyder550
I'm an American from a family that goes waaaay back and I find most of what the Tea Party wails about shallow and simplistic - some of it just mean spirited. I don't agree with them at all -- I am an American am I less of an American than them, because they say so.

My assessment was based upon personal experience and a perceived reality, not a poll.

Might I ask what are three main aspects of tea party ideals you consider shallow and mean spirited, or that you disagree with?

I would say that anyone who believes in infringing on someones rights and property is unAmerican. Not that you believe that, but many of the OWS people tend to.

When you base sweeping generalizations upon personal experiences and perceived reality you have to be aware that you are perhaps falling into the "inside a bubble" syndrome.

Shallow and simplistic -- Taxed too much -- in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world.
Don't transfer wealth -- and ignoring the fact that the wealth has been transffered to the the top
Mean spirited -- don't have to delve to far into google for that -- or personally work the democratic both at a north Ga. county fair -- there be some hateful people that call themselves Tea Party.
I could go on but it is getting near bedtime.

How do you mean infringing on rights and property -- just what does that mean. These are the generalizations that frustrate me. There is nothing beyond the slogan that is repeated and repeated -- The Tea Party is like the Platte River - a mile wide and an inch deep.

A Fox News poll will show that Americans favor the TEA Party more than OWS. Time is a very left-leaning publication, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the type of person that took the poll.

Personally I'd like to see both of them put on a deserted island somewhere with no food. Maybe they'll eat each other.

/TOA

I'm no statistics expert, but this poll only polled 1001 people. How can that possibly provide a correct sampling of American opinion?

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me you'd need ten times that to get a more realistic answer.

Originally posted by negativenihil
reply to post by Chance321

 

I'm sure you're the first to speak up any time a hard right leaning source is used to start a thread... right?

Back on topic - Do you not have any constructive input on the subject of Americans favoring OWS to the tea party?

Show me a totally unbiased poll, then we can talk, ok? Cause I haven't seen any real unbiased proof that Americans are favoring them. Look at the way the MSM already lied in the way they portray the Tea Party as a bunch of uneducated racist rednecks.

reply to post by negativenihil


Most of my friends that were with me at Tea Party protests in the beginning are currently at our local Occupy protest.

I think people favor OWS more is that the TP is old news, it's a has been that was infiltrated at every level by the Republicans and have since produced the laughing stock of politicians..

You can't forget that the Tea Party swept the elections in 2010 .. in 2012 I believe, with the aid of the DNC and the proper amount of infiltrating the OWS will lead to a Liberal resurgence in the polls.

Then, in 2014 we can all talk about how much we hate sell-out OWS protesters.

reply to post by Chance321


lol the poll he wants is sitting in the congress right now and every election up and after 2010 midterms.

Originally posted by spyder550
When you base sweeping generalizations upon personal experiences and perceived reality you have to be aware that you are perhaps falling into the "inside a bubble" syndrome.

No person can can interact or judge the world beyond their knowledge and perception of it. I live my life as I understand the world, until new information comes along to change any understanding.

Shallow and simplistic -- Taxed too much -- in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world.

So people who complain that the government already takes and mishandles enough of their money should be grateful and let them take more because other countries pay more. Clearly America should be emulating the other beacons of freedom and prosperity in the world.

Don't transfer wealth -- and ignoring the fact that the wealth has been transffered to the the top

The question then becomes transferred how? If by work, then its fair. If it is by taking from one to give to the other, then it is not. This is one reason the tea partiers were mad about the bail outs.

Mean spirited -- don't have to delve to far into google for that -- or personally work the democratic both at a north Ga. county fair -- there be some hateful people that call themselves Tea Party.
I could go on but it is getting near bedtime.

The tea party had nothing to do with racial issues, so to identify any such group is completely in error.

How do you mean infringing on rights and property -- just what does that mean. These are the generalizations that frustrate me. There is nothing beyond the slogan that is repeated and repeated -- The Tea Party is like the Platte River - a mile wide and an inch deep.

Most americans would understand what infringing on someones rights and property means. Quite simply, taking from one to give to another.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by negativenihil

 

Most of my friends that were with me at Tea Party protests in the beginning are currently at our local Occupy protest.

I think people favor OWS more is that the TP is old news, it's a has been that was infiltrated at every level by the Republicans and have since produced the laughing stock of politicians..

You can't forget that the Tea Party swept the elections in 2010 .. in 2012 I believe, with the aid of the DNC and the proper amount of infiltrating the OWS will lead to a Liberal resurgence in the polls.

Then, in 2014 we can all talk about how much we hate sell-out OWS protesters.

Still 13 months to go, but yea, I see your point. It may happen, then again it may not. We'll see won't we?

Political Polls though always reflect the ideology of those conducting it. Too many leading questions with simple yes / no answers. I like a poll with more options to choose from.

They are easy to spin the viewpoint when it comes to politics.

I'd like to see a joint FOX News/MSNBC poll.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Interesting poll questions, but I think they should have added a line to this poll question...

Q17. OVERALL, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO REDUCE THE FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT — BY CUTTING FEDERAL SPENDING, BY RAISING TAXES, OR BY A COMBINATION OF BOTH? Read more: swampland.time.com...

Or reduce military spending by half, closing our military bases overseas, ending our occupations and bringing our troops home.

Also how about cutting the $16 muffins, the $2,000 toilets and the billion dollar give a ways in green energy projects to companies that either go BK or move their operations to Mexico after getting the loans.

reply to post by negativenihil
What this tells me is that the class warfare propoganda brought on by the progressive left and Obama is woirking.
Yay!
Time to celebrate the hate!

I can't see TEA Party members camping out in filth, prostituting themselves, and selling or doing drugs at their rallies, like the FLEA Party is doing.

Originally posted by negativenihil

Time released a new poll this morning finding that 54 percent view the Wall Street protests favorably, versus only 23 percent who think the opposite. Interestingly, only 23 percent say they don’t have an opinion.

OK, how about this for an interpretation of this poll=

54% voted in favor of OWS
whereas
46% did NOT vote in favor of OWS.

That is only 4% away from break even 50/50.

Now let us imagine for a second that 100% of the American's polled were regular readers of TIME.
That 46%, nearly half of the 1001 polled regular readers of this Left leaning periodical, did not automatically give a thumbs up to the Leftists OWS would be very telling.

Originally posted by negativenihilMeanwhile, the poll found that only 27 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party.

Here is another interpretation =

27% is roughly 1/4 of all polled. (more actually)
That means 1 in 4 have a favorable view of the Tea Parties.

The poll a presented does not distinguish which group this percentage came from.
How many who have no opinion of the OWS have a favorable opinion of the Tea Parties?
If we assume that all 23% who dislike OWS automatically favor the TP then that leaves us with 4% crossover into the latter categories. So if all 54% automatically dislike the TP then that 4% must come from the undecided section. So that tells us that that nearly 6% of undecided voters has already decided in favor of the TP.
That is a slim margin and can be spun either way. It could mean that there are some who favor the right leaning TP who may be swung over to the OWS or that that 6% will eventually go against the OWS.

But here is a monkey wrench....what are the chances that the results are that cut and dried and perfectly portioned?

That is to say, how many who hold a favorable view of the OWS movement ALSO hold a favorable view of the Tea Party movements?

What would THAT answer do to the spin of this poll????????????????????

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by negativenihil

 

you think but time polls reflect their readership and they lean left apparently someone here doesn't understand that concept the same with any other media source.

Know why Time readership leans left?
because the right is largely illiterate.
Ba-dum-TISH!

The magazine itself has a political bias like Jerry Seinfeld has a sense of humor. That is, it doesn't; it's not even stalwartly objective. It's just... blah. Media oatmeal. They (and Newsweek) try so, so hard to not take a stand that it's not even worth reading. Seriously, read a Time magazine. Then read, Oh I dunno, Mother Jones. You'll see a massive difference (especially since Mother Jones doesn't give George Will the closing word)

poll conservative what they think about ows and you will get a very different result

Yeah, poll conservative, and you'll find a bunch of people who want to increase their own tax burden so that the rich pay less. You'll find people who don't want to send their kids to school because those kids might accidentally learn something not found in Leviticus. Poll conservative Americans, and you'll find them rampant with fear of the government getting involved in their Medicare. So yes, go ahead and poll conservative Americans. Just be sure to include a poll result that covers incoherent prattle about gay Muslim Mexicans.

but i dont know too many conservatives that read time magazines or participate in their polls.

I don't know too many conservatives that understand that Western text is read from the left to the right, from top of page to bottom.