Local terror plot suspect described as more a 'joke' than mastermind

Originally posted by Truth4Thought
You must really hate me now.

Not at all. I don't do YouTube. If you can't be bothered to type it up, or link to a reputable text source, it's not worth my time. So I have seen nothing to provoke any kind of emotional reaction. NB, I consider "my friend in the FBI said" and "former alphabet soup employee thinks" somewhat lower on the totem pole of evidence than sworn depositions.

It turns out that even mainstream media is admitting that this plot was a set up by the USA as a carefully placed distraction and not an actual Iranian plot.

The mainstream media's record for probity and accuracy is somewhat tarnished, and few members of the media are remotely qualified to report on most of what they report on. I'll wait and see what shakes out of official channels, and what the media's saner voices say as more information comes in.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


[color=;imegreen]Man,

ya need to come down to Earth here.

This "incident" is NOT an intellectual think tank project.

They are addressing the public as if we are idiots.

Wheeeewwwww.

"Overthinking" is dangerous !!!!

Nice find, Me personally I trust nobody as I suspect some are like me. I chalk it down to some people are just in the hyper-aware zone 24 hours a day.Alot of people think something is going to happen on US soil again, I believe this to be true.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


I can tell that you and I will never agree.

The main reason being is that you are unwilling to see the facts. Even as confirmation out of the White House that this whole thing was a set up, you are still willing to believe that Iran may have had a hand in this.

Members have provided news videos, documents, and logical explanations of how this is all false and you still refuse to admit that your government is in the habit of using false flags to forward their agenda. I know it's tough to swallow, but the American government are terrorists who lie, cheat, and steal from their citizens in the most horrible ways possible including murdering thousands of people as a false pretext to invade the Middle East.

Until you are willing to accept or even consider this as a possibility, nothing we say to each other will ever make a difference. Please be aware that this post is not meant as any disrespect towards you, but only an observation I have made on where we differ in opinions and beliefs.

Take care.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

I don't do YouTube. If you can't be bothered to type it up, or link to a reputable text source, it's not worth my time.

There's one little problem....

There might not be any "reputable text sources"

everybody is scattered all over the place....

like an old wise man once told me .....

a dog rarely craps in the same place twice

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by GovtFlu
The fact politicians are spinning this case into self serving "news" is a sign whatever happened is being used for propaganda.

Of course politicians are trying to use the events to their advantage. What bearing does that have on the truth or falsehood of the allegations? Wouldn't politicians be more likely to incorporate true facts into their political narrative, knowing that standing on falsehoods could be embarrassing?
[color=;imegreen]not if their this dumb, or have a hidden agenda.....READ between the lines

Maybe it's not a crime?.. govts, like the US, kill people called 'terrorists' on foreign soil in the name of the war on terror. Could be the Iranian govt felt the target was a threat to their national interests, a terrorist.. Like the Nazis did, they had a lawyer write a tortured logic legal contortion opinion making it legal.

I'm sure it was completely legal under Iranian law. Even commendable. But that doesn't matter. This is the US, and what they attempted to do was illegal under US law. When the Iranian Revolution succeeds in toppling the Great Satan and they establish their particular brand of sharia over this land, then they can say it's not a crime. But I'll be dead before that happens, so I'm not too worried about it.
[color=;imegreen]Gee..WHAT Iranian law would THAT be ?

As a matter of fact.. any govt that wants too can fly drones of the US to target threats to their respective interests.. there's a war on terror going on, cant dick around in courts man!..lol.. CIA Drones killing people isn't terrorism because US munitions don't terrorize.. they bombard people with flowers and lady bugs as they're tickled to death.

Well, no, CIA drones killing people isn't terrorism because the targets are lawful, collateral damage is minimized, and the intent is not to effect political or social change among the civilian populace. If the UAVs were targeting credentialed diplomats of non-hostile states, then maybe it would be terrorism.

[color=;imegreen]Wheeeew

I swear sometimes I just come to ATS for comedic relief, especially lately! If you ever want a good laugh just turn on the mainstream news or come to ATS and read what the tap water drinkers have to say.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

The mainstream media's record for probity and accuracy is somewhat tarnished, and few members of the media are remotely qualified to report on most of what they report on. I'll wait and see what shakes out of official channels, and what the media's saner voices say as more information comes in.

Tarnished is the understatement of the year !!

Holder made the "miracle announcement" ON the MSM !!

Now tell me,

What do you learn from THAT?

AND, which "members of the media are remotely qualified" ?

and by the way, Holder IS the Attorney General of The United States.......

how more "official" did you want ?

Originally posted by xuenchen
[color=;imegreen]not if their this dumb, or have a hidden agenda.....READ between the lines

Close the quote tags at the end of quoted material, please. You have just attributed your words to me, and I would hate for anyone to think I can't spell they're/their/there. Anyway, why don't you read between the lines and tell me what you see?

[color=;imegreen]Gee..WHAT Iranian law would THAT be ?

I'm not intimately familiar with Iranian law, but article 150 of the constitution charges the IRGC with guarding the revolution, and thirty years of history shows that Iran interprets that to mean exporting the revolution, so it stands to reason there is an implementing law. If not, I am guilty of giving them too much credit. Maybe they really are just a failed state hosting an uncontrollable paramilitary force that exports terrorism around the world. You remember what happened to the last country in that condition, right?

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


well OK i admit I forgot to use my spellchecker on the word "they're" (I think)
as in "they are"

but i did get the color right, right?

that should clear up any questions on who said what.

Anyway, why don't you read between the lines and tell me what you see?

well,

I see Iran with both hands in their pockets.

Same as Obama.

Both have their hands in everybody's pockets....as in OIL.

The exported revolution is gonna start a big fat war reel soon.

The Shah's son is on the warpath.....he wants his maypo......reel soon.

The whole thing is controlled by TPTB who have all the money.

Iran and the US are simple puppets.

We all have to swim in the same water.

Iran has been a miserable scapegoat for 30+ years....

All by controlled planning.

Wake Up.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Holder made the "miracle announcement" ON the MSM !!

Now tell me,

What do you learn from THAT?

I'm not sure what you're driving at. Holder's statement constitutes a primary source, not MSM reporting or analysis. Note that I haven't referred to Holder's statement in any of my posts anyway; when discussing the case, I always refer to the FBI special agent's sworn statement or my own speculation.

AND, which "members of the media are remotely qualified" ?

Like hard-core pornography, I know good reporting when I see it. Unfortunately, I rarely bother to note bylines. Another thing the media has in common with pornography.

and by the way, Holder IS the Attorney General of The United States.......

how more "official" did you want ?

I don't think you understood what I wrote. Perhaps that was my fault. Perhaps not. I'm not going to worry about it, and suggest you take the same approach.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Assassinating an Ambassador inside the US would cause tensions between the Us and Saudi. Foreign diplomats are suppose to be protected, regardless of country relations. Kill the Saudi ambassador inside the US and it would create issues.

Partially right. but planning an assassination and thinking about the consequences and seeing the outcome of 9/11 will stop Iran to do such foolish action.

Saudi has been implementing reforms - allowing women to vote, hold some political offices etc. Those actions will create pressure on the Iranian government from their own people wanting the same.

I suggest you to read more about Iranian govt.Women had the right to vote from first moment after Islamic revolution. Right now, Iran has woman minister of Health.

So, Saudi Arabia is far behind Iran in bringing democracy to it's country.

There were discussions about Bahrain actually joining with Iran (being annexed)

Any document or proof ??

The US / Saudi have been very vocal about Iran and their military programs.

Sounds to me like the Fast and Furious plan was a result of cooperation between SA an US.

Factor in the political termoil in Iran (issues between Ahmadenijad / Ayatollah) and you could see this action coming down the pipeline.

MSM has just magnified some ignorable issue for you. Ahmadenijad was the one who Ayatollah Khamenei was supporting from the begging and Ahmadenijad is the most loyal president to Ayatollah Khamenei.

Right now Iran denies it all and will use this incident to distract their own people from the internal issues while playing the game of rally 'round the leader.

I haven't seen such thing.

There were some ignorable issues in the country and people are now aware of America.

IF it worked, Iran could use it as propoganda which would satisfy the hard line elements in the government.

Iran hasn't done such thing in after Islamic revolution and you are just supposing that Iran is as sinister as US govt.

Who knows...

I am talking about what I know based on history and documents.

So , there should be something to get the conclusion or we are just using our imaginations.

Comparing Iran govt and US govt and based on history , I see that America is a threat for Muslim world and Iran is an independent country who wants to have it's way of doing things.

Us has already imposed lots of sanctions against Iran to make the people suffer in Iran , but Iranian nation has shown signs of faith and backing the government.

Recently has established it's Persian news networks to fool Iranian people like they do in US.

But most Iranian know that US is not spending money for god sake.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


I like discussing the people who think that Iran is doing just like America.

Because they think that Iranian politics are just trying to stay in power and support the 1 %.

It is not true in Iran. They stand for their faith and they have shown it as they have been assassinated after the Islamic revolution.

That is why they-people hate US govt so much

The main issue about Americans is that they think that bread is cooked the same way they cook in their kitchen.

And Iran govt will do every sinister thing they to benefit the 1 %.

Never true.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


"Amended" court complaint

read the real official court complaint file by the US Government.......

see how they word everything.

this propaganda is so embarrassing I can't stand it !!

I'm ashamed that this government would put out such a sordid pile of bulldrek.

we all need to step back and rethink.

this is a psyop......

it's a "false positive" false flag.

they are attempting reverse psychology.

at least prior false flag and propaganda psyops had some substance and genuine Intrigue.

this has been to easy.

they are on to the fact that too many people are on to them.

Iran is going to be sent back to pre-Komaniac days.

TPTB need to consolidate the money and oil.

simple as that.

reply to post by xuenchen

TPTB need to consolidate the money and oil.

simple as that.

Some times you have to explain most simple issues for some people over and over again.

You keep on explaining and they keep on confusing.

It is because they are disillusioned.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Partially right. but planning an assassination and thinking about the consequences and seeing the outcome of 9/11 will stop Iran to do such foolish action.

I doubt it would stop / deter Iran. According to Iranian military leadership they would win in a war with the United States.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
I suggest you to read more about Iranian govt.Women had the right to vote from first moment after Islamic revolution. Right now, Iran has woman minister of Health.

So, Saudi Arabia is far behind Iran in bringing democracy to it's country.

You missed my point. Also the rights women had in Iran were severly curtailed after the Islamic revolution, not expanded.

Women and the Iranian Revolution

Women participated heavily in the Iranian Revolution of 1979 that toppled the shah.[5][6][7]

Notwithstanding this, the Islamic republic of Ayatollah Khomeini severely curtailed rights that women had become accustomed to under the shah.[6] Within months of the founding of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the 1967 Family Protection Law was repealed; female government workers were forced to observe Islamic dress code; women were barred from becoming judges; beaches and sports were sex-segregated; the legal age of marriage for girls was reduced to 13; and married women were barred from attending regular schools.[5]

Almost immediately women protested these policies.[6][8] The Islamic revolution is ideologically committed to inequality for women in inheritance and other areas of the civil code; and especially committed to segregation of the sexes. Many places, from "schoolrooms to ski slopes to public buses", are strictly segregated. Females caught by revolutionary officials in a mixed-sex situation can be subject to virginity tests.[9]

We could go down the road of how the Green revolution went and the Iranian governments response to those protests. The more rights that women / minorities are granted in arab countries, the more pressure that is applied to the Iranian government.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Any document or proof ??

Aside from history -
Iran's Bahraini Ambitions - Tehran has been seeking to destabilize and annex the island nation for decades.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Sounds to me like the Fast and Furious plan was a result of cooperation between SA an US.

Fast and Furious deals with Mexico, not Saudi Arabia.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
MSM has just magnified some ignorable issue for you. Ahmadenijad was the one who Ayatollah Khamenei was supporting from the begging and Ahmadenijad is the most loyal president to Ayatollah Khamenei.

Lets see -
When Ahmadenijad fired the justice minister, the Ayatollah reinstated him.
Several members of Ahmadenijads cabinet have been arrested.
Ahmadenijad appointed roving ambassadors and the Ayatollah forced them to be recalled and disbanded.
When the female hiker was going to be released, Ahmadenijad stopped it, and was again overruled by the Ayatollah.
Calls for the impeachment of Ahmadenijad

etc etc etc

Originally posted by hmdphantom
I haven't seen such thing.

Then you should check the news

Originally posted by hmdphantom
There were some ignorable issues in the country and people are now aware of America.

Not sure what issues you are trying to downplay as ignorable.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Iran hasn't done such thing in after Islamic revolution and you are just supposing that Iran is as sinister as US govt.

If you read my comment, the word if was all capital letters. As far as the sinister comment, I very much believe the Iranian government is sinister.

The Iranian government is hurting the Iranian people, not the US.
The US is not the only country with sanctions against IRan, which is conveniently ignored by people.
Media in the US can criticise the government, its policies and leadership without being dreagged out of their houses in the middle of the night and thrown in jail. Western Media determines is free to check facts and challenge statements where as Iranian media is more akin to a court stenographer, reporting on what the government tells them to.

Independant media that has tried to spring up have been smacked down and then shut down y the Iranian government.

People really need to put the coolaid down and do some research on what free media actually is.

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Excellent point

You are absolutely right !

It's not like this is a dissertation exercise for a PhD at the Yale school of political science !

In fact, I wonder what a political science major at Yale would think?

Is there a Doctor in the house?

FurvusRexCaeli seems very smart, but needs to see this as more of a kindergarten crayon and coloring book game. Because that's the level we are dealing with here.

The government is directing this at the "kids in the peanut gallery", not the rest of us !

In fact, here's a good idea......somebody please go to a ball game today and ask the peanut vendor what he thinks.

I bet ya get the right answer

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

 

I can tell that you and I will never agree.

The main reason being is that you are unwilling to see the facts. Even as confirmation out of the White House that this whole thing was a set up, you are still willing to believe that Iran may have had a hand in this.

Link? There are many fast-moving threads, and I haven't been able to read them all, but so far I haven't seen anything out of the White House confirming that this was anything other than what the DoJ alleges. In this article, updated an hour or two ago, the government is sticking to its story. In the video, timestamped by CNN at 4:09 today, President Obama himself confirms general facts of the indictment. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that the White House has confirmed that the whole thing was a set up.

Members have provided news videos, documents, and logical explanations of how this is all false and you still refuse to admit that your government is in the habit of using false flags to forward their agenda.

Whether or not the government is in the habit of using false flags to forward its agenda is an interesting question, and one I haven't taken up. In this thread, at least, I wanted to stick to the "joke or mastermind" question, and how that ties in to the way secret services operate. There's been some thread drift, but I don't think I've drifted into the general question of a false flag habit.

I haven't seen any convincing argument on ATS that this is all false; the best argument advanced so far is, "Quds Force is really good at what they do; this was executed poorly; therefore, Quds Force didn't do it." That's a non sequitur, of course, because even a really good organization can occasionally execute something poorly. And, to be perfectly honest, this wasn't really executed that poorly. If Arbabsiar hadn't met our DEA asset, he might have pulled it off.

I know it's tough to swallow, but the American government are terrorists who lie, cheat, and steal from their citizens in the most horrible ways possible including murdering thousands of people as a false pretext to invade the Middle East.

If you like.

Until you are willing to accept or even consider this as a possibility, nothing we say to each other will ever make a difference. Please be aware that this post is not meant as any disrespect towards you, but only an observation I have made on where we differ in opinions and beliefs.

Anything's possible. I considered the possibility, and dismissed it in this particular case because the arguments against it are stronger than the arguments for it. Like most amateur conspiracy theories, it requires an arbitrarily large number of completely dedicated, yet completely amoral, conspirators. Or just a few conspirators, working round the clock for years, backstopping their story. And this case also requires very stupid conspirators who push their patsy into the courts, and a self-destructive patsy who confesses to the conspirators' crime ... or he is one of the conspirators, and he wants to go to prison ... or he'll officially go to prison, but actually go into witness protection, and the Bureau of Prisons will be suborned to lie and say he's in prison for the next 25 years ... or at some point very soon they'll come clean, and they'll pay us all off and we'll all be co-conspirators .... Every scenario is either absurd, or it causes the already large number of conspirators to balloon even further, or both.

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I sincerely apologize for saying confirmation. It was used incorrectly.

Nothing has been confirmed so thank you for pointing out my incorrect statement.

My point of that sentence I mistyped was that all evidence points t0 this being an FBI set up. Those videos the other member posted actually explain it better than I could. I know FOX news is garbage, but those two videos are clips of a FOX newscast. They make some rather bold statements that they claim to be fact.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


Actually the White House went another step farther, and announced they have been in direct contact with the Iranian government over this incident.

Also -
Terror plot aids Iran hardliners, fuels enmity with U.S.