July 4 Not Independence Day, George Washington Not 1st US President, Stars & Stripes Not Real Flag

So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not Independence Day. It is actually July 2nd.

2. George Washington was not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of the US. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

4. Betsy Ross did not actually create the stars and stripes. Actually, it was not known to exist until around the US Civil War era.

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

reply to post by Red Cloak


Whats the name of the show on the History Channel?

reply to post by Red Cloak


And there's a lot more things historically false, Apparently Jesus wasn't even born at Christmas yet that's when we celebrate his birthday

Society has become a testament to everything incorrect

Originally posted by Red Cloak
So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not independence day. It is actually July 2nd.

2. George Washington is not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of America. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

The History Channel also says that aliens have been enslaving humans for thousands of years. And that weird guy with the crazy hair on Ancient Aliens is sane.

Originally posted by billy197300

Originally posted by Red Cloak
So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not independence day. It is actually July 2nd.

2. George Washington is not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of America. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

The History Channel also says that aliens have been enslaving humans for thousands of years. And that weird guy with the crazy hair on Ancient Aliens is sane.

Giorgio Tsoukalos?

Hmph. Next thing ya know they'll be claiming Jesus wasn't even a Christian....

reply to post by Ex_CT2


He wasn't, he was Jewish

reply to post by Red Cloak

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of the US. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

Makes sense since America is perpetually at war.

Originally posted by billy197300
The History Channel also says that aliens have been enslaving humans for thousands of years. And that weird guy with the crazy hair on Ancient Aliens is sane.

4th of July is the Anniversary of the Templars losing the Holy Land to the Saracens.
The Red and White flag come from the Viking's of Denmark who where in America long before Columbus. America actually belongs to The Dane's.Hence Bush celebrating a birthday there,Obama groveling for The Game's (yeah right,getting instructions from the hidden hand that feeds)and back again months later for the G20 Global Warming Scam.Hmm yeah they now control NATO too,such a tiny over looked little country.
There you go,you learn something new everyday. Ops I said to much already.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not Independence Day. It is actually July 2nd.

2. George Washington was not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of the US. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

4. Betsy Ross did not actually create the stars and stripes. Actually, it was not known to exist until around the US Civil War era.

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

edit on 13-10-2011 by Red Cloak because: (no reason given)

Take some of that with a grain of salt and a good serving of interpretation -

1) Congress VOTED to declare independence on July 2nd - the wording of the *declaration* of independence (when the US actually declared itself independent) was approved on July 4th (as you can see here, the declaration is dated July 4th) - so I'll call this one false.

2) John Hancock was president of the Continental Congress for awhile, not president of the US after it was declared as such and claimed independence - that was Washington. If we're not going to pay attention to specifics such as the US actually having been formed or declared independent, there were actually several presidents in these territories prior to Washington and Hancock (the first being Peyton Randolph).

3) Flags originated as naval ensigns to ID ships and their countries of origin on the seas...this argument's a little...'meh'?

4) The 1777 flag resolution by the Marine Committee of the 2nd Continental Congress declared that:

"Resolved, that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new Constellation."

...so, other than possibly not having been designed by Betsy Ross, the general layout of the flag other than specifics of the star orientation was pretty much set soon after declaring independence.

Be careful with what you see on TV as it might give false suggestions that aren't quite what they seem.

EDIT:
I probably should clarify that somewhat - by no means do I intend to say "common" knowledge or that as is usually taught is always correct, either (i.e. Marie Antoinette probably did NOT actually say "Let them eat cake!" in regards to the common poor, etc., and there are MANY other examples - some more current and much more disturbing that are usually taken for granted - like the Waco/Branch Davidian issue).

Don't ever take *anything* as granted, and verify everything regardless of the source before you believe it completely.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not Independence Day. It is actually July 2nd.

I don't know how you determine what is Independence Day and what is not, but the Declaration is dated July 4, and that is the day it became nominally effective. You can see it yourself at the National Archives.

2. George Washington is not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

John Hancock was President of the United States in Congress Assembled, i.e. presiding officer of the US legislature under the Articles of Confederation. The office of President of the United States did not exist under the Articles; it was created by the Constitution. George Washington was the first President of the United States.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of the US. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

No, the Flag Code pretty clearly defines the US flag as the stars and stripes. We don't have a "war time flag."

4. Besty Ross did not actually create the stars and stripes. Actually, it was not known to exist until around the US Civil War era.

The stars and stripes were ordered by a 1777 resolution. And anyone familiar with the Star-Spangled Banner would know was written during the War of 1812, and you can still see the flag, so the stars and stripes were obviously around before the Civil War era. I have no idea if Betsy Ross sewed the first flag, or dropped her design in the Continental Congress Suggestion Box, or had nothing at all to do with the flag.

Perhaps you were watching some kind of show on debunking historical myths, and you turned it off half way through.

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by Ex_CT2

 

He wasn't, he was Jewish

Oh, for christ's sake. Yes, I know. For those of you who didn't get it, you might try looking up the word "facetious."

reply to post by Ex_CT2 & post by TedHodgson
I'm confused. In what way, does a character from a fictional book, have anything at all to do with the history of the U.S.?




reply to post by Red Cloak

Originally posted by Red Cloak

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

OR don't instantly believe everything that you are told, without giving it a bit of thought, and maybe a little researching too.

Praetorius has explained it very well.

Interpretation vs. misinterpretation.

reply to post by TedHodgson



It's well known that Jesus wasn't born in December, but most likely in spring. The Christmas holiday was placed on Dec. 25th as an answer to a pagan fesitval.

I was taught in high school back in the early 70's that Washington was technically not our first president. Hadn't heard anything about that since then.

As for that crazy History Channel guy, George Tsoukalos(sp) or whatever his name is, I think he's just on there to make the UFO 'believers' look nutsy.

Here's another one: America was not named after an obscure Italian geographer named Amerigo Vespucci. According to a book by the title The True Story of How America Got Its Name, "America" was named after a Bristol merchant by the name of Richard Amerike. It's an interesting, even fascinating read.

BTW, didn't this country have like three presidents under the Articles of Confederation?

I've notice the US flag in most court rooms and at most christian churches have a yellow fringe around the flag. have you ever read what the yellow fringe symbolizes?

FLAG Martial Law; "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The president of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief.

FLAG Martial Law;The Placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a Yellow Fringe border on three sides."

FLAG Martial law; "The use of such a fringe is prescribed in current Army Regulation no. 260-10." 34 Ops. Atty. . Gen. 483, 485.

FLAG Martial law; "Ancient custom sanctions the use of the fringe on regimental colors and standards, but there seems to be no good reason or precedent for its use on other flags." The Adjutant General of the Army, March 28, 1924, (1925); 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 483, 485.

source: US Flag code

Originally posted by Praetorius

Originally posted by Red Cloak
So according to the History Channel...........

1. July 4th is not Independence Day. It is actually July 2nd.

2. George Washington was not the first President of the United States. John Hancock was.

3. The stars and stripes is not the actual flag of the US. It's actually the war time flag of the US military.

4. Betsy Ross did not actually create the stars and stripes. Actually, it was not known to exist until around the US Civil War era.

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

edit on 13-10-2011 by Red Cloak because: (no reason given)

Take some of that with a grain of salt and a good serving of interpretation -

1) Congress VOTED to declare independence on July 2nd - the wording of the *declaration* of independence (when the US actually declared itself independent) was approved on July 4th (as you can see here, the declaration is dated July 4th) - so I'll call this one false.

2) John Hancock was president of the Continental Congress for awhile, not president of the US after it was declared as such and claimed independence - that was Washington. If we're not going to pay attention to specifics such as the US actually having been formed or declared independent, there were actually several presidents in these territories prior to Washington and Hancock (the first being Peyton Randolph).

3) Flags originated as naval ensigns to ID ships and their countries of origin on the seas...this argument's a little...'meh'?

4) The 1777 flag resolution by the Marine Committee of the 2nd Continental Congress declared that:

"Resolved, that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new Constellation."

...so, other than possibly not having been designed by Betsy Ross, the general layout of the flag other than specifics of the star orientation was pretty much set soon after declaring independence.

Be careful with what you see on TV as it might give false suggestions that aren't quite what they seem.

EDIT:
I probably should clarify that somewhat - by no means do I intend to say "common" knowledge or that as is usually taught is always correct, either (i.e. Marie Antoinette probably did NOT actually say "Let them eat cake!" in regards to the common poor, etc., and there are MANY other examples - some more current and much more disturbing that are usually taken for granted - like the Waco/Branch Davidian issue).

Don't ever take *anything* as granted, and verify everything regardless of the source before you believe it completely.

edit on 10/13/2011 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)

You basically confirmed the History Channel's claims. You simply put your own BS spin on it.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by Ex_CT2 & post by TedHodgson

 

I'm confused. In what way, does a character from a fictional book, have anything at all to do with the history of the U.S.?

 

 

 

reply to post by Red Cloak

Originally posted by Red Cloak

Now, considering all of this, we have to accept the reality that there is an enormous conspiracy by the US government, media, and certainly all the educational systems and the book publishers. Since they all continue to perpetuate these myths, that are historically false.

OR don't instantly believe everything that you are told, without giving it a bit of thought, and maybe a little researching too.

Praetorius has explained it very well.

Interpretation vs. misinterpretation.

All he explained was that "accepted history" is lying about all of those things and the History Channel is correct. That people choose to "interpret" it as they are told to by schools, the government, the media - instead of actually taking it for how it really happened.

Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by TedHodgson

 

It's well known that Jesus wasn't born in December, but most likely in spring. The Christmas holiday was placed on Dec. 25th as an answer to a pagan fesitval.

I was taught in high school back in the early 70's that Washington was technically not our first president. Hadn't heard anything about that since then.

As for that crazy History Channel guy, George Tsoukalos(sp) or whatever his name is, I think he's just on there to make the UFO 'believers' look nutsy.

A lot of occultists teach that Jesus Christ was born on September 11th. It's actually a well held belief amongst the Masons, Illuminati, Satanists.......