Apologies (by Obama for the atomic bombing of Japan) Not Accepted

reply to post by kerazeesicko


OK, Let me try and understand you here:

The source of all this BS does not state that it was Obama's idea, just that it was an expectation from Japanese people and the Japanese government did not want it.

Are you saying Obamas and his Administration did not want to Apologize? Being the Fact this is Obamas Administration, Then it was His Idea!
I mean,,,,, Come On,,,The Obama Administration Just Sent An Apology to:

News of the cable comes just days after Obama’s government “expressed its condolences” to the family of al-Qaeda propagandist/ recruiter Samir Khan – who was killed in a recent American airstrike that successfully took out terrorist leader Anwar al-Awlaki.

YES, They Just Said They Are SORRY,,, For us Killing One of Their Family members.
I'M Not Sorry! Obama, Don't Apologize For Me and My Family, We're Happy He's Dead and We Wish and Hope Many More Follow!
Source: www.fitsnews.com...

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Did you actually read the cable? I did, and you know what? Nowhere in the cable is it said, hinted at, intimated, telepathically placed in anyone's mind, smoke-signaled or anything else that President Obama suggested apologizing.

¶5. (C) VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public will have high expectations toward President Obama's visit to Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public's expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a "non-starter." While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit. Yabunaka recommended that the visit in November center mostly in Tokyo, with calls on the Emperor and Prime Minister, as well as some form of public program, such as speeches, an engagement at a university, or a town hall-like meeting with local residents. Highlighting the busy political calendar in the coming weeks, including the election of the new Prime Minister, launching of the new Cabinet, and the Prime Minister's participation in the UN General Assembly and the Pittsburgh G-20 Summit, Yabunaka noted that both sides should begin working quickly on the President's November visit. The Ambassador conveyed an TOKYO 00002033 003.2 OF 003 informal invitation for the new Prime Minister to attend the Pittsburgh Summit, adding that an official invitation will follow once the Prime Minister is elected.

The only people who seemed to be suggesting it were the public and "Anti-nuclear groups".

Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your daily constitutional on Obama with pesky things like facts.

Your Source Please, I think there is Much, Much More there that needs to be read.

reply to post by guohua


Sure. My source is the actual Wikileaks cable in question

Here are the other sections of the cable; please make sure you read them all. I've bolded the only relevant section of the cable which I have now read in full three times:

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WARNING: U.S. SERVICEMEN, UNCOORDINATED "DEALS" WITH DPRK
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DPRK POLICIES IN SYNC, "GRAND DEAL" MAY BE NEEDED
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POTUS VISIT TO JAPAN: TOO EARLY FOR HIROSHIMA VISIT
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WORKING GROUP ON HAGUE CONVENTION
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reply to post by NoArmsJames


Your Link Does not work.
I have tried to go there, All I Get Is NPR Stuff.

reply to post by guohua


The link works fine. You're either having a problem on your end or lying. http://__._/cable/2009/09/09TOKYO2033.html

Well Bin Laden's wife was with him when they buried him at sea, so I think his family already knows, and if not I'm sure Bush will tell them. So when will they apologize for the internment camps?

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
reply to post by guohua

 

The link works fine. You're either having a problem on your end or lying. http://__._/cable/2009/09/09TOKYO2033.html

No problems my end, I was able to open the link without any issues.

I think Obama should apologize for his, ahem,
"mannerisms"

Obama needs to start apologizing for himself. He likes running around blaming everyone else (yes apologizing for something someone else did is blaming) for anything but when it comes to him, he is the second coming.

reply to post by NoArmsJames




The relevant sections of the cable have already been posted. You posting some other non-relevant parts of the cable shows nothing except perhaps a deflection attempt. an analogy would be you quoting from the 4th amendment to the constitution and then saying, "There's nothing here about a right to bear arms".

Facts - whether "pesky" or not - are still the facts.

You also waiting for a signed statement of admission from obama?

If so, kindly apply that litmus test to every other thread you post on.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Obama bowing to a bunch of foreign leaders was bad enough, but now leaked secret cables show that he was also planning to apologize to Japan for the atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki -

They show nothing of the sort

Here is the exact cable that was leaked

POTUS VISIT TO JAPAN: TOO EARLY FOR HIROSHIMA VISIT
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¶5. (C) VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public will have high expectations toward President Obama's visit to Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level of popularity among the Japanese people.

Anti-nuclear groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech on non-proliferation.

He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public's expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a "non-starter."

While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit. Yabunaka recommended that the visit in November center mostly in Tokyo, with calls on the Emperor and Prime
Minister, as well as some form of public program, such as speeches, an engagement at a university, or a town hall-like meeting with local residents.

The Japanese diplomat, Yabunaka, warned that if President Obama visited Hiroshima, Anti-Nuclear groups would "speculate" that an apology might be forthcomming.

He warns that even a simple visit to Hiroshima would cause speculation and controversy and that " both governments must temper the public's expectations on such issues" meaning that he wants to avoid anyone even discussing a potential apology and that everyones expectations must be managed to understand " the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a "non-starter."

He is discussing the debate that would ensue by President Obama visiting Hiroshima...not plans for the President to Apologize.

That is what the cable says. Plain as day. You have to skip words and twist context to create the "story" that President Obama was "planning" on apologizing.


You mentioned NPR was covering it...did you mention this part of the NPR story?

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor says that while the administration does not comment on leaked cables, "there was never any plan for the president to apologize. The President's visit speaks for itself."

Nowhere in the cable does it speak of President Obama planning to apologize.

It speaks about how a USA President visiting hiroshima will result in certain segments of the Japanese public expecting or calling for an apology, it even is specific "the anti-nuclear" folks.

"Idea"...not "plan"

And though you cite ABC as well, you forget this part of the story from ABC

The cable does not state that the idea was from the U.S. Rather, Roos writes that Yabunaka thought that following President Obama’s call earlier that year for a world free of nuclear weapons, anti-nuclear groups would speculate as to whether he would visit Hiroshima.

Yabunaka recommended that President Obama’s November 2009 visit be focused mostly in Tokyo.

abcnews.go.com...

THE OP IS BUNK...contradicted by the very cable it cites as a source

Originally posted by NoArmsJames
reply to post by guohua

 

The link works fine. You're either having a problem on your end or lying. http://__._/cable/2009/09/09TOKYO2033.html

The First Thing I'd Like You To Understand Young Man Or Woman, I DO NOT LIE!
At The Age I am, i DON'T NEED TO LIE.
I get a 404 every time I try your link.
The one time I got through it took me to TWO NPR sits on that subject matter.
I For One Do Not Like Being Called A Lier.
I Still Have Not Found Your SO-CALLED Expedience, But with every News Agency and Even Other Countries to Include My Own Old Home Country Writing About This a Being FACTUAL!

I'd Have To Say,
And By The Way:

Originally posted by Indigo5

"Idea"...not "plan"

It takes a very sharp "knife" to try and split hairs that finely.

And so what do your plans start out with?

Mine start out with ideas ...

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Indigo5

"Idea"...not "plan"

It takes a very sharp "knife" to try and split hairs that finely.

And so what do your plans start out with?

Mine start out with ideas ...

The idea was not Pres. Obama's...the "idea" was that a visit to Hiroshima would start an "apology" debate in Japan and strain relations. THe "idea" was held be Anti-Nuclear groups and the "public" and those are who they were looking to manage expectations with in the form of letting them know an apology wasn't going to happen...a "non-starter"

Are you able to read? Because that is precisely what your own source says...the cable.

ABC and NPR, both who you mentioned, have figured this out (excerpts in my last post)...as any rational mind that reads the cable can.

I'm still waiting for any proof that Obama did, or intended to, apologize to the Japanese people.

It seems to me that this cable actually would prove the opposite of what the OP claims.

Obama had no intention to apologize.

Japan had to put the people in check so that they did not expect one.

So is this political trolling or a hoax?

"...but...but...Obama's name was in the cable and if you take the fact that he bowed to another foreign leader out of respect than you must conclude that he was going to apologize!"

That reasoning doesn't jive.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I'm still waiting for any proof that Obama did, or intended to, apologize to the Japanese people.

It seems to me that this cable actually would prove the opposite of what the OP claims.

Obama had no intention to apologize.

Japan had to put the people in check so that they did not expect one.

So is this political trolling or a hoax?

It is both...one half Hoax, one half troll.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Indigo5

"Idea"...not "plan"

It takes a very sharp "knife" to try and split hairs that finely.

Takes a very sharp knife...and an incredibly dishonest one to cut my words out of context in that manner.

But I expect no less from someone that just posted a Hoax and refuses to acknowledge their own source disputes the claim they are fabricating from it.

Originally posted by Alxandro
I think Obama should apologize for his, ahem,
"mannerisms"

Wow...The fact that you scoure youtubes looking for video's of Obama ...ahem.."acting pretty"

Anything you want to share with us?

reply to post by guohua


I think you may be trying too hard to make something out of nothing.

Would you also agree then that Bush was wrong for trying to kill terrorists....and then apologizing?

Bush apologizes for Airstrikes

I'M Not Sorry! Obama, Don't Apologize For Me and My Family, We're Happy He's Dead and We Wish and Hope Many More Follow!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by masqua

 

we've had 3 years of compounding assinine wanting to make a two term of compounding assinine

when the assinine gets too deep its time to flush.

HAHAHA! For sure!

Apologies at this juncture--whether Obama's idea or not--are ridiculous. These incidents have come and gone and should be viewed as a lesson for future generations who wish to avoid such atrocities. Killings of this magnitude on either side should never have happened in the first place. When will humanity learn?