Mass Graves Discovered at Closed Mohawk Institute Residential School

reply to post by sherlock2k2


You got a star from this Yank ! Sorry for my fellow Americans rude comments.

So run this past me again......

Some bodies have been found in a mass grave
These bodies haven't been exhumed and so cause and time of death haven't been established
The site where the bodies were found was used from the 1830s to the 1970s - a span of 140 years or so
Person "A" alleges another person "B" took 10 people on a picnic and "A" never saw them again
Person "C" alleges "B" possible ritually killed those 10 people

Doesn't this all sound a bit of a stretch from that first statement? And how about if we factor in that child mortality during the 19th century was high throughout the World? Over a 140 year period, what annual mortality rate (as proportion of the establishments population) would account for the number of bodies found? How does this compare with an average rate across the 140 year period generally in the local area? And so on....

Isn't it a bit lazy to just say the big lizard and her papal buddies did it?

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by karen61057

 

I think if it turns out that the story is true then someone will take the bullet for her. Royals command such loyalty from some of their well trained minions that someone always takes the blame for Queen and country. If it comes down to it someone will fall on their sword for her I am afraid.

edit on 12-10-2011 by wayouttheredude because: dyslexic

Tee hee, tell that to Marie Antionette ! But you are probably correct. Money can buy anything including an acquittal.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by dizzie56

 

You are pretty innocent if you believe that the media will be all over a story that hurts the church and state in any way. I am a bit less innocent on this issue. I know that the media will not cover a story that is damning to church and state.

They will crucify the church in a heartbeat but they probably wont go pubically after the Queen.

reply to post by karen61057


The power of the church and state to deligitimize someone like they did Kevin Annett is a frightening power. When the press sees this happening to someone they know instinctively that it can happen to them if they pursue this story.

As an example the press ran a story on protests of Bradly Manning's treatment and the White House called the company and told them they would lose their White House press privileges if they ran another story. This self censoring by the corporate media is not new.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by sherlock2k2

 

I see that you took out your location as the UK which was in your profile earlier. Is there a reason for that? Perhaps you are ashamed of what your government and church may have done to these native people and no longer wish to be directly associated?

edit on 12-10-2011 by wayouttheredude because: dyslexic

If my location has come out of my profile then i don't know why....

Firstly i am pretty neutral on religion so personally i don't mind if it stays or goes but I'm grown up enough to realise some people need this in their life to give them purpose so who am i to say millions of people are wrong.

Secondly Your right i am English to the core and would die for my country just like most respectful Americans would for theirs. In all i am Neither ashamed or embarrassed of my country or government as although they have faults and committed possibly many crimes during its time, to use a interesting quote..... Let him without sin cast the first stone

lets get back to the issue please

I was wondering how much de legitimisation was done to him for sure, i know what they said on the film and clips etc but how much was he heading that way anyway and i mean how high did it go do you think, was it more a kinda local thing or do you reckon it went higher

reply to post by sherlock2k2


Institutional genocide is a pretty big crime. If the church and state collaborated together to wipe out the indigenous people of the Americas then I think that this is some dirty laundry in need of airing. This needs to be discussed because the people harmed in this are still around and hurting and in need of closure. They want to bury their children and they are going to want compensation and that is why the church and state want this to go away.

Originally posted by sherlock2k2

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by wayouttheredude

 

Well. The brittish aren't so high and mighty with their noses in the air now are they? All those years of snubbing americans and now they get a piece of the pie. It would be funny to see the queen in prison stripes and anyone else involved (but i see their wealth getting them out of this jam). Damn thats alot of literal skeletons hiding in their closet. Truly horrifying, but we are talking about the decendants of the ango-saxons here. A relatively modern day English Inquisition. Maybe the mohoawk nation should take those priests and the queen and put them on the rack for some ritual torture and see if they like recieving as well as they liked giving the torture.

So is that how you see us then ???....I take it you don't like the English very much.......What a stupid single minded piece of crap you just wrote. Without no facts as to why these people died or as to who if anyone was responsible which really counts, your willing to jump straight in and be judge and jury and persecute possibly innocent people. Before you go shouting your mouth off about the English please research your own history in the treatment of the native populations.This is the sort or rubbish that gives Americans a bad name. Luckily not all Americans behave like you and your in a minority.

The Queen is head of the Church of England but this is a default position she inherits and she would have no control Over the actual running of any of the institutions and she would really have no idea about what goes on.

Anyone here that has one ounce of savay will realise this is just being used to inflame a situation of some kind.

To any situation like this i just hope an answer is found and my thoughts go with the children.

I already know my lineage, i can trace it back 1000 years tyvm. My family were welsh and as i recall it, it was the anglo-saxons (whom were norse that decided they wanted land) that also tried to wipe out the brittonians and drove them into their mountain fortresses in what is now wales when they went about conquering England after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The mere fact that your queen was even involved and had knowledge of this implicates her. Did you not read the article? There was 15-20 feet of dirt hauled in and dumped ontop of the mass graves to cover it up. Thats alot of dirt over such a large aread to bury bodies 15-20 feet down. Not to mention they actually found a rack hidden in the building. How many children died horribly at the hands of red robed priests claiming to follow Jesus Christ? people like that make me sick and they give true christians a bad name. Tell me what verse in the bible does Christ ever condone murdering people? As i recall it he said "love your neighbors as you love your enemies" and "
forgive those whom offend you".

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Doesn't surprise me, I'd expect such from a christian organization. They probably believed the children were devils just on the sole basis of their difference in nationality.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


On my European side of the family we can trace back all the way to the 12th century. At that point the linage is no longer carried as paternal. Earlier than the 12th century my European ancestors were the Picts which were maternal carrying the line by the female side. Basically my heritage traces to the Picts on one side and the Kainai tribe on the other.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by sherlock2k2

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by wayouttheredude

 

Well. The brittish aren't so high and mighty with their noses in the air now are they? All those years of snubbing americans and now they get a piece of the pie. It would be funny to see the queen in prison stripes and anyone else involved (but i see their wealth getting them out of this jam). Damn thats alot of literal skeletons hiding in their closet. Truly horrifying, but we are talking about the decendants of the ango-saxons here. A relatively modern day English Inquisition. Maybe the mohoawk nation should take those priests and the queen and put them on the rack for some ritual torture and see if they like recieving as well as they liked giving the torture.

So is that how you see us then ???....I take it you don't like the English very much.......What a stupid single minded piece of crap you just wrote. Without no facts as to why these people died or as to who if anyone was responsible which really counts, your willing to jump straight in and be judge and jury and persecute possibly innocent people. Before you go shouting your mouth off about the English please research your own history in the treatment of the native populations.This is the sort or rubbish that gives Americans a bad name. Luckily not all Americans behave like you and your in a minority.

The Queen is head of the Church of England but this is a default position she inherits and she would have no control Over the actual running of any of the institutions and she would really have no idea about what goes on.

Anyone here that has one ounce of savay will realise this is just being used to inflame a situation of some kind.

To any situation like this i just hope an answer is found and my thoughts go with the children.

I already know my lineage, i can trace it back 1000 years tyvm. My family were welsh and as i recall it, it was the anglo-saxons (whom were norse that decided they wanted land) that also tried to wipe out the brittonians and drove them into their mountain fortresses in what is now wales when they went about conquering England after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The mere fact that your queen was even involved and had knowledge of this implicates her. Did you not read the article? There was 15-20 feet of dirt hauled in and dumped ontop of the mass graves to cover it up. Thats alot of dirt over such a large aread to bury bodies 15-20 feet down. Not to mention they actually found a rack hidden in the building. How many children died horribly at the hands of red robed priests claiming to follow Jesus Christ? people like that make me sick and they give true christians a bad name. Tell me what verse in the bible does Christ ever condone murdering people? As i recall it he said "love your neighbors as you love your enemies" and "
forgive those whom offend you".

I will leave the history lesson for another time as i think you might need it.

Yes i did read all and watch the film mate with interest but i do like to understand all the picture before sending possibly the wrong people to trial.

Can i explain what i mean,

First of all How much did she know....there is not one piece of single evidence been shown that she knew anything about this and the only real proven fact is that she is head of the English church in name but the actual leader is the Arch bishop of Canterbury... There is a supposed eye witness on film talking about her and the 10 kids....but tell me where is the film and who else was there and what happened before and after cos of this film i aint seen it or heard anything on it and i don't think one persons account from when they was 5-6 is enough to implicate anyone without any facts or details.

Yeah dirt was brought in and put there as he mentioned but what wasn't mentioned was, how deep were they buried before the dirt was placed there as it wouldn't have been an open mass grave for a 100 years or was it only put there or was it spread all over the area for some other reason possibly as it seems a lot of dirt to cover something that was known to be already there and no matter how much dirt it can be moved, think about it for a moment please. It only seems at the minute he is telling us what needs to be told to convince us there is major state connections. I am hoping that they can get forensics or whatever they need to conclude what's happened here to the kiddies

I heard the rack mentioned but where is it ?

The guys wearing crimson robes was a aboriginal native seer's vision or shamans whatever you will not something that they was actually caught doing.

Please don't think im defending guilty people i am not, i just want to see the evidence laid out and then the people no matter who it is held accountable.

reply to post by wayouttheredude



As being Partial Mohawk Myself Im loss for Words but Im not Surprised at the Slightest

I would have No Doubt in my Mind that the English did the Same with the Irish ! in Ireland as around the Same Time Period give or take a Couple of Years The Potato Blight Famine was Going on

This Should be In the World Wide MEDIA NEWS! The Sickness of Religion !
The Catholic Religion ! Involved with Mass Genocide ! North Americas Inquisition
We Will see what the Mohawk Community's have to say about this around the Rochester and Toronto Areas

I Know Defiantly what The Akwesasne Mohawk Areas Would Think .. if this was discovered around the Churches around the Area

Well if Anyone look at the Track Records of Catholics and Naziism They are the Same

Doug Stanhope - Catholics vs Nazis.mpg


Mass genocide of Mohawk children by UK Queen and Vatican uncovered in Canada-Rev Kevin Annett


50,000 kids die by torture, fatal medical experiments done by Catholic, Anglican, United Church -1/3
www.youtube.com...

Unmarked graves of institutionalized children dug up in Canada (Breaking News)
www.youtube.com...

Genocide of Natives committed by Church and State in Canada: Victims attest Genocide still in place
www.youtube.com...

The Catholics did some Trafficking !

???
Catholic Church Organized OPERATION PETER PAN - 14,000 stolen children from Cuba taken to USA
www.youtube.com...

I would of tried to find a tribute video but im way too sadden for the Fallen Children that im Genetically part of


I Hope Justice will be Done !

Well I haven't seen anything in Our Local News around Our Community as of yet

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Why is it so hard to accept, that one person can justify the killing of 1 to millions?, why is it so hard to understand, that the face of humanity, is infinite in it's direction?

I have no problem believing that a "self important" individual, would kill 10 children, as I have no problem believing, that a war kills millions over decades..

The Governments of the world kill with ambition and malevolence, a single individual, is not insulated from the same dark corners of the human psyche..

Why do people have a problem believing, that a simpleton belief system of killing the innocent, will gain them power, wealth, and fortune ? .. this is well documented throughout the ages, that this civilizations humanity, is not exclusive to barbarism in the name of some physical/spiritual belief system..

I believe that they did do that, I also will state, that theses individuals, are "still" doing such things (if they are alive) as well as many others in this world we tend to refer to as "TPTB" ..

A corporate assassin, will have no problem stepping on a newborns head, if it gains a fractional percentage point in return, for their "employer".. why do most people "pretend" that humanity is innocent as a primary?, when in fact, quite the opposite, innocence is "rare", and a very limited shelf life after your born, from then on, innocence rapidly degrades in this world we live in, and injustice is a common, rather then the exception..

I doubt that many here, could handle reality, "REAL" reality, as it would remove any doubt one may harbor, over just how cruel and corrupt humanity is...

Been there already, and I decided we are better off never having existed....

Hope is for the frail, and the blind, if you are unwilling to see what is right before you, then you might as well bury your head back in the sand, and go to the appointed FEMA camps for registration when it happens..

Humanity is cruel, That is fact, not fiction, and killing babies, is a common, not an exception.. Face it..

reply to post by wayouttheredude


What a great post! I'm horrified by the treatment and deaths of these children and grateful that there are people out there uncovering the hideous crimes of church, state and monarchy. How many more of these schools around the commonwealth have had hundreds of children mysteriously go missing while under the care of people running the institutions? Push for real punishment, not the reward the Vatican gives the perpetrators. WE need to keep a watchful eye over and protect the children of our communities, regardless of whom they belong to.
That is what will make it more difficult for predators because they only ever look for the easy prey.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000The mere fact that your queen was even involved and had knowledge of this implicates her.

If this was a fact then yes - entirely correct. I'm not sure exactly where the evidence of the Queens involvement, or even her awareness, of this is coming from. The quote from someone saying she took some people on a picnic? The fact that this establishment was church funded and she's the titular supreme governor of that body? That's not exactly damning evidence.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000Not to mention they actually found a rack hidden in the building.

Not exactly true. Person 1 states that Person 2 gave him a diary written by Person 3. In that diary it was stated that a rack was onsite. That's a lot of hearsay. Also consider that there are a number of period household implements that do resemble instruments of torture - e.g.Torture device or cleaning device?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000How many children died horribly at the hands of red robed priests claiming to follow Jesus Christ?

Globally? Lots. And in their eyes they were following the words of their God. You'll find similarities on practically every continent where any form of religion or social / political movement was established. It's not a good thing and every citizen of every country should look at what is being done in their name, as citizens or believers, to prevent these things from happening again.

As an aside, and quoted out of sync as it's not entirely pertinent to the thread:

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I already know my lineage, i can trace it back 1000 years tyvm. My family were welsh and as i recall it, it was the anglo-saxons (whom were norse that decided they wanted land) that also tried to wipe out the brittonians and drove them into their mountain fortresses in what is now wales when they went about conquering England after the fall of the Roman Empire.

All true except the Anglo-Saxons were really from mainland Europe (Germanic tribes). The Welsh are the remnants of the original inhabitants of England (the "old English") and the Anglo-Saxons filled the void and became the "new English".

reply to post by Wolfenz


I feel for your loss truly and although i may come across that i don't agree to any of it that's not the case.I just want to see the right people punished and sometimes to get there some people have to play the messenger to provoke the reaction that may uncover the truth.

reply to post by redrose123


But what I was saying is the current pope responsible for something that happened before he was elected?

reply to post by MollyStewart


I agree we need to watch over our children. In the case of the church school / death camps for native children in Canada it was pretty hard though as the RCMP gun boats went around to the native areas and physically took the children under the color of law and forced their parents to let them take them to these church schools / death camps.

How do we defend our children from being taken by the state under the color of law?

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


Yes they are saying that... both the Canadian Government and Church was found guilty and paid out 10K$ to each child that spent even a single night in one of these "residential schools" which was run by the church on behalf of the government of canada.. they were then given another 3K$ for each subsequent year that they spent in such a school from like... 1929 to 1992. The last "residential school" was closed in 1992.

They paid out these sums because they knew that the children were seriously being physically, sexually and mentally abused! They could also not really be considered "schools" because many of the children who attended these schools were not taught to read/write or count.

From Examiner article

International Tribunal for Crimes of Church and States (ITCCS.org) is expected to commence judicial proceedings starting in late October 2011 in Brussels, Belgium and Dublin, Ireland for child genocide crimes against humanity against defendants Elizabeth Windsor, head of state of Canada and head of the Church of England and Pope Joseph Ratzinger, both of whom knowingly participated in the planning and coverup of the child genocide, according to forensic evidence

Well well, the usual suspects, Royal scum and Vatican slime. Anyone really surprised? Most won't care until their children are raped or murdered. It's not real when it's someone else's child.

A curse on anyone who bows before these demons, because you are the enemies of humanity.