Survey Results: Occupy Wall Street

These polls cracked me up:


Do you supoort the over all direction and intentions of OWS movement:
Strongly support Total 48%


Do you believe the OWS movement and protests are communication a well defined message.
No Message Total 34% now grant it members were 41%

I ask how is it possible to STRONGLY support something with NO defined message?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

I think you'd be even more surprised at how many think violence is necessary - but are completely unwilling to participate in said violence. Dying is just such a pain in the ass these days.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

It's a sad state of affairs when one can't win on the merits of their ideas, but on the ferocity of their animalistic instincts.

I think that is the heart of the matter.

It is both the ideology of realism, and the failure of idealism.

We see, in the US, and in the West in general, an almost universal understanding of what is just and right, and yet those with power and influence, agreeing, will still deny the justice. That goes against the American self-identity.

We, as Americans, do not want to face that justice is perverted by a few, because injustice serves either their ideological ends (agendas) or the wallets. The rest of the world has long endured such injustice, and when we have not fought it elsewhere it is often "not our problem" and when have fought it, it has been in the name of "furthering our way of life."

It is becoming apparent that neither is true.

We must fight for justice on behalf of others if we are to fight for justice for ourselves. And that is both the ideal and the realism of justice-- it is the marriage of the two that gives birth to freedom and security. To my knowledge, history shows no other way.

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

Nothing will change without violence, to be blunt. This country was established through violence, and its successor or successors will be established the same way.

When the "let them eat cake" moment arrives, and people realize that holding a sign while being beaten by pig sticks isn't getting anything done, you'll see what happens in the streets of this country.

I grew up in a rough area, so violence is nothing new to me. For some folks who have had sheltered lives, it will be quite sobering to see how barbaric things can get when you push people into a corner.

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I assure you that no one will find it surprising - our society has become so desensitized to violence via video games, youtube, and cable tv that curb stomping is now used as a slang phrase.

Brutality rules the day - just ask any 12 year old with a flip cam and a youtube account.

You know who I think WILL be surprised? Those who've been purporting violence and brutality on an otherwise civil society... I think THOSE folks have no idea what's in store for them.

When the sheltered suburbanites unlock their gun safes and arm themselves, things will get VERY interesting.

The real question is how long do you think the "Community Organizers" can control this situation before it grows too big for them and the "us v/s them" class warfare actually breaks out into the streets?

Who wins?... Nobody.

Originally posted by Annee
Where is the questions:

Is this happening at the right time?

Should this have happened four years ago?

Were we too blinded by the waving flag to create a movement under Bush?

Is this the right movement under Obama's administration? And why.

Anne, as often as I disagree with you - I'm intrigued by your questions here... can you PM me with YOUR answers to those? I can't be sure to find your response in these threads... that's why I asked if you would PM me with your answers.

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by aaron2209
It wouldn't have mattered which way the polls went, people would be crying foul.

I'm not. I fully expected the majority of ATSers to support OWS.

Especially when you consider the fact that these same people don't know the difference between a lenticular cloud, earthquake lights, and what HAARP ACTUALLY does.

If it's not some BS logic about HAARP, Obama's birth certificate, and aliens controlling the government, then it's not worth knowing.

So you know all about everything!! I didn´t know that God himself was an ATS member. Excuse us for our ignorance and our curiosity about new topics and subjects and for trying to figure out and imagine and create new ideas or explications.
Never thought that God´s mind were sooo flat and boring.

PD/ I fully support OWS and I fully understand why they are doing that. If you don´t want change ever you´re destiny is extinction.

Disappointed, there should have been a question regarding the "co-opt" of this movement, as its plain as light to most of us who are "awake" that this has DEFINITELY been co-opted.

This graph makes me proud of ATS, and tells volumes about media manipulation at the same time:

I for one initially read more into this question, mulling that it was inferring police violence against protesters. I almost answered it "Strongly Agree." But at the last minute, I gained a little clarity and switched to "Strongly Disagree."

I'm totally willing to give that benefit of the doubt to the 11%, cause it almost tripped me up.

As for the "Guests"...I am just glad the results are broken down the way they are, cause it exposes the Bot Polling's intentions quite well.

Imagine if it was lumped together: "A popular conspiracy site polled over 1/3 Strongly in support of protester violence. In related news, Congressman Bought-Off has introduced a bill that would legalize the shutdown of seditious websites, and allows the DHS to arrest and detain website members as enemy combatants."

/shudder

Originally posted by mkultracanuck
Disappointed, there should have been a question regarding the "co-opt" of this movement, as its plain as light to most of us who are "awake" that this has DEFINITELY been co-opted.

It´s so funny that "awake" people are doing nothing to change themselves, and are full of criticism to people that are actually doing something to change. My friend, that behaviour isn´t what you´ll expect from "awakened" ones. Is the behaviour of a heavy sleeper one.

Originally posted by megabytz

I can guess the type of person who thinks Wall Street is blameless for our economic crisis and our government is completely responsible.

I've yet to run into anyone on either "side" who holds Wall Street "blameless". What the opposition is saying is that it makes more sense to put pressure where pressure will have an effect. Consider a car engine as an analogy. If you timing chain (or timing belt, if your into that sort of thing) breaks, that car is dead in the water. Now, you can stand there and yell at it all day long, and nothing is going to happen, other than YOU being dead in the water, too. If you get a wrench, and go to work on the housing so that you can get TO the timing chain to fix it, well, THEN you'll be getting somewhere.

You'll never get the chain fixed without working to remove the protective housing for it first, though. As an aside, perhaps, that repair is going to involve cranking on a few nuts first...

I think it would be smart to take some cues from some of the countries who have a mixed economy, that is some socialist policies and some capitalist policies, seeing as they are some of the happiest, advanced, hard working, and intelligent countries in the world.

I'm happy for them, I really am. I'm almost beside myself with ecstasy that they are happy with what they have governance-wise. I DO NOT want it here. Perhaps if they'd stop trying to export their own "revolutions" to us, we might actually stop the stupid practice of trying to "export" an alleged "democracy" to them. Honestly, we aren't supposed to have a democracy here to even make it exportable - can't sell what you don't have - but more importantly our solution may not be for them, and trying to force it on them is only going to result in resentment, same as their "solution" being forced upon us. Still, when you're up to your ass in alligators, you have to do something, even if it's wrong - just DO something!

Which I suppose is one way to view these "protests".

Originally posted by Optimistprime78
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Unions are paying these agitators.
It's their MO. Just like ACORN who paid for forged election signatures. Nothing ever came of that either. It's all rigged but liberal think tanks and unions. van Jones said start bottom up and out then you have a prison planet. Wow and they protest for freedom when they don't even see they are giving up freedom for handouts.

I believe you're right, but have only illuminated a part of the puppet masters in this post, or perhaps just the strings - we can see the puppets, we can follow the strings, but the hand working it remains hidden so far.

I also believe that if this "movement" takes off, which is looking increasingly unlikely, that this will be my last stand, the end of me. I will NOT just sit back and quietly accept a collectivist "solution". When I'm dead and gone, my kids will carry on where I left off, because I've taught them to think for themselves and be their own person, regardless of what the herd is doing.

They seem to be decidedly less than enthusiastic about these "protests" too. That could be the erasure of my family from the planet, but if it is, so be it. Who the hell wants to live in a world that's modeled on an ant hill any how?

reply to post by greenCo


It´s so funny that "awake" people are doing nothing to change themselves, and are full of criticism to people that are actually doing something to change. My friend, that behaviour isn´t what you´ll expect from "awakened" ones. Is the behaviour of a heavy sleeper one.

Wtf are you talking about lol?

Im making a comment/suggestion of the poll, which I participated in. I live in Vancouver BC so a trip to NY to explain things to a bunch of yuppies isn't really in my best interest, however Occupy Vancouver starts Oct.15 so Ill go toot my 9/11 - Banker Bailouts are the problem not capitalism horn there.

Originally posted by greenCo

PD/ I fully support OWS and I fully understand why they are doing that. If you don´t want change ever you´re destiny is extinction.

I'm fully prepared to be "extincted" if they can't figure out the right kind of change. I won't be alone on that journey. Some of them are coming with me.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

I might be alone, cynical, elitist even, I don't know.....

But I get the feeling the "guest" participants are a bunch of morons? Just judging by the huge difference between "guests" and members ...

Just saying.. Lurkers are idiots.

I woke up with curiosity about the guest myself, today.

Seems many are brave enough to condone violence at the OWS but not brave enough to join in the ranks of membership.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Interesting..
It seems that the Guest's.. are a violent crowd.
That's sad..

At least, the Members does not promote violence.

reply to post by the4thhorseman

I ask how is it possible to STRONGLY support something with NO defined message?

How true.

I sit back and read the post quietly taking in all the drama, be an observer, read everything you can and try to remain objective,

The thing is mass confusion,

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by greenCo

PD/ I fully support OWS and I fully understand why they are doing that. If you don´t want change ever you´re destiny is extinction.

I'm fully prepared to be "extincted" if they can't figure out the right kind of change. I won't be alone on that journey. Some of them are coming with me.

... sigh.
There is no "they". Its only us. What im trying to say (and failing miserably because my poor english ) is there is no "they" to blame. OWS are protesting "they" and I agree with you in there is no point in protesting ourselves. But at least we are seeing something wrong in the system where we are living, no matters if is in Egypt, Libia, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Chile, USA or in every place where things aren´t working for the 100% of us.
Anyway i love the input of ATS members like you, in fact I give you stars because you´re clever in your points, and put your heart on every post.
Shame on me because i live in a poor country in Latin america with endless needs, and its kind of refreshing to see people from almighty America sharing the same concerns, and i find quite interesting that human suffering is the same no matters how powerful is the country in which u´re living.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

Unfortunately it's the only thing that will break away the layer of apathy covering most American's. The problems are obvious but the politicians refuse to adress them. It's like an army of deckhands rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.


A question,

Do you think Libya's future will be better because of the cost in human lives?

I do.

Something earned is cherished more than something given to you.

As you and I well know blood is shed in the name of good and of evil, only time will tell with Libya,

How is Egypt doing?

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

What is most striking to me is the significant discrepancies between members and guests on many of the fine points.

How much do you want to make a bet that those 'guests' are members who voted more than once?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


It is interesting that there was not a question phrased something like the following, to which the vast majority of respondents would have answered in the positive:

"Do you think that all current crises can be solved through government implementation of yet more intrusive, overbearing, unconstitutional legislation, regulations, and programs funded by other people's money for your benefit?"

It boggles the mind.