Survey Results: Occupy Wall Street

reply to post by projectvxn


Sorry, but I don't demand free stuff, and I grew up in horrible living circumstances. I lived in tents from 13-16, slept on couches at friends, had parents whom which we're not all so stable at the time and dabbling in narcotics, and I am making something of myself and attending college and paying for it out of my own pocket so I'd have to go ahead and say I don't appreciate your tone friend.

Do I have any idea how hard it is to grow up homeless in LA? Yeah, I do actually. Because I lived on my own as a youth and had a horrible upraising. Don't think you're something special buddy.

If you'd so kindly point out where I asked for anything to be given to me for free, I'd highly appreciate it because I don't expect anything to be given to me for free.

And, if I have to be the voice for all those lost souls who couldn't handle the hardships I will be. Tough deal, I have a soul and can sympathize, sorry you have the hard-ass ego there. Watch Revolver or something. Get over yourself.

I'm absolutely sick and tired of people like you thinking you're something special. Grow up, realize that the world is screwed and the nature of humanity is unhealthy to ourselves and to the planet and that it needs to change.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Maybe I was wrong.
www.youtube.com...

That was dumb. Those guys weren't going in as Tea Party members supporting OWS, they were going in as anti-OWS and using Tea Party talking points to do it.

If true Tea Party members went in with honest intentions of lending their voices, they's be totally welcome. In fact, they are there and fit right in. The guys in this video obviously are part of the problem and are just spreading the MSM mentality because they are afraid.

Huh? Nope. It was a beautiful illustration of the hypocrisy of this "movement", like the guy who bragged about owning 67,000 shares of ATT railing against the "evil capitalists"

It illustrated the fact that most of these people have no informed idea of what it is they are protesting, like all the people who, when asked to clarify, had NO response other than "You're an asshole". In the words of the irrepressible Richard Pryor, "Yeah. GREAT answer!". Shouldn't they have been able to get just a tad more articulate than that in responding if they actually had thought out what it is they're "protesting"?

Dumb? Nope. It was brilliant... AND hilarious!

Afraid? The "evil capitalists" guys? They marched straight into the lion's mouth. How the hell is that demonstrating "fear" on any level?

This is just TOO funny!

reply to post by Anusuia


Not so sure its bots. This poll has an amazingly high listing on Google. Type "occupy wall street survey" into Google, you'll get the third listing. Anyone interested in public opinion who used Google would easily find this poll. In fact, I bet with such good SEO (search engine optimization) on this poll, ATS probably attracted a few thousand new members.

I am taking a small "Above Top Secret" break. Since most of the front page stories are about "Occupy", the 'alternative' aspect of this site has turned into a protest movement. I didn't sign up to join the "TeaParty", "Anonymous", and "OccupyWallStreet" movements. I signed up to talk about underground conspiracies, UFOs, and metaphysical theories. "Werewolves, aliens, ghosts... Oh my!"

Skeptic Overlord is still the master of 'alternative news', and I completely support his overall stance on issues.

I am just getting tired of "ATS" being used as a political board. I allowed myself to be sucked into everyone's fears, angers, and chaos. My head is starting to spin.

"OccupyWallStreet" scares the crap out of me. Even though 'some' of their grievances make sense, I just cannot get behind a group that is supported by political loyalists. Before the "TeaParty" was taken over by the Republicans, I thought their message was organized, logical, and powerful. Once they were taken over by the Conservatives, the "TeaParty" lost all of its luster and appeal. "OccupyWallStreet" has so many Democrat leaning supporters; thus, they are being turned into a political machine. Its not a movement. Its a political tool being used to gather votes for Obama. What ticks me off is that they just don't see the hypocrisy.

"Ad Busters", the creators of "Occupy", are a left leaning magazine.

As Buster's Blog: OccupyWallStreet Update

So … can we on the left learn some new tricks? Can we head off to lower Manhattan with a fresh mindset and a powerful new demand?

When will folks wake up?

"Ad Busters" is just spinning Democrat propaganda through the use of "OccupyWallStreet".

They are hypocrites.

reply to post by b3l13v3


Did I say YOU were asking for free stuff? no...But if you go to the OWS site they certainly are asking for free stuff. Here let me point you to THEIR website housing their LIST OF DEMANDS:

occupywallst.org...

Sounds like a bunch of whiny cry babies who want everything for free without having to work for it.

Now this is not an official list of demands...But it certainly makes for good insight into the mindset of these people.

reply to post by Section31


A large sum of the Occupy movement is non-political.

The fact is, it is a movement and it is an awakening and ideas and philosophy can be exchanged.

I currently moderate the local movement and I have informed all participants that in order for the best interest we need to keep it non-partisan.

reply to post by projectvxn


I'm aware but you're failing to take into consideration that one person's idea doesn't not represent that of the thousands joining the movement, many people from many walks of life are joining to express their own individual views.

The reason I support this movement is because the general consensus is change, and we as a whole race need it before this planet is destroyed.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by b3l13v3

 

Did I say YOU were asking for free stuff? no...But if you go to the OWS site they certainly are asking for free stuff. Here let me point you to THEIR website housing their LIST OF DEMANDS:

occupywallst.org...

Sounds like a bunch of whiny cry babies who want everything for free without having to work for it.

Now this is not an official list of demands...But it certainly makes for good insight into the mindset of these people.

edit on 11-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

From the very website:

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

You're letting one misguided person speak for everyone else? You're either shilling, or you're being disingenuous.

I suppose I was right then to brand the Tea Party as racists because of a few bad apples?

reply to post by Jason88

I am looking forward to the administrators who look at the ips of the voting public to show up and give the jiuce on nitty grittys . If its bots , if certain voting blocks come from certain sectors.
Now that would be informative . But if it is high on the google search , then there would be a heap of motivated people turning up thinking a poll makes any damn difference in the world .

Except when it comes to political elections and they the MSM start with the polls nonsense as part of a campaign in themselves to influence elections or just tell the people what the plans are for the election .
I have noticed that its most likely the latter as a pre warning to adjust people to the pre decided outcome

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by Section31

 

A large sum of the Occupy movement is non-political.

The fact is, it is a movement and it is an awakening and ideas and philosophy can be exchanged.

I currently moderate the local movement and I have informed all participants that in order for the best interest we need to keep it non-partisan.

After going through their list of accepted supporters, found on their site, "OccupyWallStreet" is definitely a left leaning political group. Unless they start fighting off the Democrat party take over, I just don't see them remaining neutral for that much longer.

If "OccupyWallStreet" wants my support, they should publicly reject all Democrat and Republican support.

I haven't seen that.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
I certainly hope that these movements do not spawn violence and the inheritance of martial law throughout these major cities, but at this point it is almost looking as it will become an inevitably thanks to our horribly manipulated judicial and policing system we have here in the "Land of the Free".

Due to a executive order on the books, the Potus can declare martial law in any of the US governed territories. For ANY national emergency. If you request a link, I WILL provide it. Citizens get moved to FEMA camps. Displaced from their homes.

Heck, here is the link:

in the event a "National Emergency" should be declared by the President — whichever president is sitting in office at the designated time. At the president's discretion "in any time of increased international tension or economic or financial crisis", the E.O.'s could theoretically be enacted.

Source. Bold mine. That encompasses a lot.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for something monumental and beautiful to happen that will change the way we see ourselves and the world.

I don't think the change will be pretty. We can dream, and create that reality.

Also, I'd recommend abandoning the guests from the polls. If they're so inclined to partake, then they should partake in the community as well. As a computer science major, I'm under the impression there is plenty of bot-polling occurring in this survey.

Then the bots agree with most people, a good step to AI, aye?

About guests. Hmmm. They are lurkers, average citizens, uncommitted. Leave them be. They don't take away from the ATS vote, and they also have their opinion. The survey's masters have that factored in, and I appreciate the return of the results. I saw the surprises, and it made me think.....

39% of guests think violence is a mandatory part of the movement, while 11% of members think it is. Disgusting.

Obvious psy-op if you ask me.

edit on 11-10-2011 by b3l13v3 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Section31

After going through their list of accepted supporters, found on their site, "OccupyWallStreet" is definitely a left leaning political group. Unless they start fighting off the Democrat party take over, I just don't see them remaining neutral for that much longer.

If "OccupyWallStreet" wants my support, they should public ally reject all Democrat and Republican support.

I haven't seen that.

Amen!!! Starred. I feel the same way.

reply to post by Rockpuck


THIS is what I think is going on, and what I still think is going on.

No, it's not a monolithic "movement" despite the same name and catchphrases being applied to all of the separate "protests" wherever they may alight. There isn't really any unity of direction or cohesion of purpose. Their reasons for being there are all over the map, even at the same locations.

The ONE thing they all DO have in common is being part of a herd, out in the streets. ANY herd can be stampeded given the right stimulus, and it matters nary a whit what the individual cattle think when the stampede starts. The herd itself defines which direction the individuals will move in. The key there, for the Puppet Masters then, is to direct the herd as a whole, and let the individuals within think whatever the hell they want to. They'll go where the herd carries them when the stampede starts.

It works the same way for any herd, whether sheep, cattle, or human.

reply to post by Section31


Commendable standpoint.

I however, hope the movement carries on because unfortunately with the masses this is getting stirred up they're not going to be able to steer it any direction what soever when it reaches a tipping point.

I can't believe, though I'm not surprised, at the high number of people that are in favor of "Entitlements".
No wonder we are in the shape we are in, we are now nohing but spoiled little brats.

We are entitled only to what we put in, nothing more.

Originally posted by Lynda101
reply to post by Silverkiss

 

Thats exactly what fascinated me most about this poll. 5000 members to 21000 guests.

The Occupy Wall Street idea is a wide-spread internet phenomenon. Isn't it realistic that a the survey ranked high in search engines? There are a lot of Occupy Wall Street websites. Couldn't they have been linking into the ATS survey? Thats two explanations off the top of my head that seem a lot more likely that purposeful manipulation.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by Section31

 

Commendable standpoint.

I however, hope the movement carries on because unfortunately with the masses this is getting stirred up they're not going to be able to steer it any direction what soever when it reaches a tipping point.

First, thank you for addressing my concern.

Second, "OccupyWallStreet" has accepted the support of unions, which are very politically motivated toward Democrats. Why don't they reject this support publicly?

reply to post by Jason88




My theory while still correct with the high placed Google listing rather than bot attacks, as you can see in the seven days not too many members joined that corroborate many people finding this site through a Google search of "occupy wall street survey".

Source is the "About" section of this website in stats.

reply to post by Section31


Some do. I saw a few pictures of people with signs that read "not with them -->" etc.

In fact, a few people tried to hijack the local movement and I had to put them in check, even though the area I live in is quite liberal the majority agrees that the movement should be non-partisan.

Interesting distribution as the OP said ....so many guests for violence, I suppose it is a bit like partying in someone else's house to the 'guests' ..and a great excuse (or as Janet Reno said about Waco, " a perfect opportunity" ) to call all protests "terrorism" it's not like that worked for the Nazi's ..er, did it ? , It's also nice to see ATS MEASURING the same . statistically, as mainstream (OLD) media, by polling numbers....