The America I once knew is gone.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Are you referring to President Obama?

Well said.

reply to post by desertdweller1


I hate to tell you but unless you are over 100 years old it has always been pretty much a lie. The American dream was nothing more then to make you think you could have more then should have had.



The only thing and mean the only thing stopping them is the 2nd and 1st amendments. With out these we would truly be screwed.


THANK YOU THOMAS---THANK YOU




If TSFTF watch what happens in Europe. They were so stupid they bought into the lie.

IMHO American is the same today as 50 yrs ago. The difference now is that most of us are now aware of what is going on. The planet has always revolved around he wealthy and powerful.

When the "wealth" was shared, many assumed that we were safe. We let our guard down, and choose to back those that we thought would back us.

This is not the case, and frankly never was. We watched as other countries stood up to tyranny, and thought it could never happen here. It did and I think that it will get worse over time.

Those out there protesting thought that what happened in the media around the world would never happen here, and that were going to show them what we thought "American Freedom" was all about.

Now as we watched and felt bad for those abused, neglected, and mistreated by their governments, are now watching us go through the same.

The real question is.... what freedom will Americans now discuss when standing up for their country?

Peace, NRE/

reply to post by MysticPearl


I have had my fair share of experiences with cops.

But in these circumstances, the public eye is watching and in the case even the whole world. They followed standard protocol.

I agree- awareness is increased- but so too has greed and the tendancy to warmonger.
Something's going to break. I just hope it is for the best.

reply to post by thehoneycomb
We must have been watching two entirely different events. I'm FAR closer to joining this movement now than I would ever have believed I would be several hours ago. I wonder if they even realize that effect they are generating? The more they move on unarmed American citizens with force, the more these numbers will multiply.

It's hard to build sympathy for the photos I've seen and posted out of the park in New York. It's disgraceful. However, that IS NOT the type of people I've been watching in these other cities all over tonight. Those weren't college kids and stoners in Boston. Those were United States Military Veterans and they deserved...neigh..they EARNED...respect and dignity they were NOT shown by the Police this night. Forgive me, but I am outraged, as every American ought to be.

There IS a point where things have just gone too far. Tonight? It isn't there yet. However, they are running down that road with the pedal to the floor and wishing for more at the rate things are going. They WILL reach that destination as quickly as they went through Site 2 in Boston if they don't take a BIG step back and recall.....these are fellow American citizens they are putting night sticks to, not junkies or gang bangers.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Well before I once again get accused of trolling. Please read this thread at least before you do.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think you folks should take note of those accounts you see reflexively disparaging dissenters.

A man can feed his family by working as a influence operator.

This is just part of the new reality we have to deal with. Communities like this one are prime targets, so if you see someone pretending not to see something that everyone else saw, keep that in mind...

..It is about extremes, you saw extreme brutality, and influence operator will see extremely nothing. The casual observer of a thread will skim the posts then believe what happened is somewhere in between these extremes.

That is how influence operations work.

reply to post by thehoneycomb
The constitution isn't the problem. Perhaps OWS in NEW YORK want to see our precious documents shredded, but again, as I noted, that IS NOT the type of people I've been watching in other cities for the last several hours. I'll also fight as hard against THAT view as I will support those in the 'occupation' protests in other cities. Like any group of people, there are extremes. Please don't point to a few moonbats in New York and say that is the entire movement. That would be a serious mistake by what is clearly evident all over our nation right now.

We'll see how this develops Honey, and whether this gets legs....but count me in 110% if Boston is repeated. I'm only one man, but perhaps I'll find many others reached the same point at about the same time...and together the numbers will matter. We shall see.


Honeycomb, I checked the other thread and I take your point. To be honest..checking my previous threads on this show I've been very much on your side of how I've viewed this myself.....right up to tonight. What I saw from the overhead video in Boston was quite a stunner...from street level, I want to see cops in cuffs and being arraigned on charges. I can't say it simpler than that. The point being..and why I came back to add this note...I ask that you check the events of tonight and put what you've seen of OWS aside for a moment... Things are not entirely what New York City has depicted, apparently..... We all (who have been poking fun and generally against this) may have gotten this one wrong. I won't push MY bad position after realizing that. Perhaps.....you may see it differently too. Perhaps not....but try taking a look at the other cities with fresh eyes. Just a request and thought.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I understand that there are people there from all walks of life. It is not a well defined movement and it does not state a specific purpose.

I only ask that you read the thread in it's entirety, mainly the external text and see for yourself if that is something you believe in and something you are ready to get on board with. Maybe then you will see the events of tonight in a different light. You owe it to yourself. Our country is at stake.

Originally posted by desertdweller1
I am more furious than I have ever been in my life!
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Boston police beating our American soldiers????
...
Those in charge or TPTB will be waiting with baited breath for people to go ballistic. We must keep calm, remember the constitution of our United States that so many have died protecting. Let us honor them and ourselves by organizing rationally and calmly, but always focused on the goal of being united- the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the Republic for which it stands.

For now people should focus on this: for every person arrested, replace them tenfold. Better get the FEMA camps ready since we ain't all fitting in your overcrowded jails and prisons.

I can see the value and importance in these protests continuing in a non-violent fashion.

For now.

reply to post by Observer99


A common misunderstanding about the camps. Pushed by the ones who had them built. They will not be occupied with FEMA and US Soldiers will not turn on their own citizens, the camps are for UN troops who will turn on Americans in a heartbeat.

police from 25 states beating the occupy protestors in 25 states is a 100% track record on police brutality,

but considering our government's track records, those police beating protestors is just a walk in the park,

compared what America has in store for us yet!

reply to post by thehoneycomb


How many threads are you going to go into a say "look at this post" ?

Every time i have seen you get in an argument that you cant back anything in you tell the people arguing with you to "read this" and send them to a thread where you quote a whole website page after page.. stop commenting on things already lol theres a reason nobody is interested in your old thread anymore.

reply to post by Bonkrh


as many as I have to to expose OWS.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


You arent going to expose anything.

All you are doing is showing people you support the cops beating people that stand outside with a flag.

reply to post by Bonkrh


I saw folks getting arrested. But I guess that is getting beaten now?

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
IMHO American is the same today as 50 yrs ago. The difference now is that most of us are now aware of what is going on. The planet has always revolved around he wealthy and powerful.

true that and well said.

looking back 10 yrs or so, all we "knew" was what we read on the morning papers,

or what peter or conny reported in some half hour segment that was mostly everyday local news..

reply to post by desertdweller1


Not that I'm not outraged by this behavior but what world are you living in, op? There were protestors that came back from Vietnam during Nixon's era that basically turned into hippies and inevitably received almost the exact same sort of treatment in the 60's. Trying to fight for what the believe those protestors I'm sure were beaten from time to time as well there just weren't as many cameras to catch it.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by morder1

 

Because the 99% is going to attempt to bring us socialism.

Socialism is not less government and regulation it is more of it and they turn a blind eye to human rights and inalienable rights and freedom as well.

Socialism is not the goal. No matter what you've heard. Do you really think the "99%" wants any more regulation or laws or taxes or government? No, quite the opposite. If you listen to this movements opponents, then I can see why you would think this is some communist or socialist movement. This transcends any sort of social, religious, professional or political affiliations. The people involved in this movement are just that: people. People that see government as too big and unbridled. Whether you realize it or not, we already are a part of a socialist society. It isn't socialism in totality, but it definitely isn't capitalism either. Your views don't seem very well founded and rather basic and superficial. If you sat in on a high school history class you would see the blatant political propaganda laced throughout. "Socialism is bad!" "Communism is bad!" "Fascism is bad!" "Monarchy is bad!" "Colonialism is bad!" But really, are they inherently "bad"? Is our version of capitalism or democracy inherently "good"? In essence, all of these are government and economic systems, and none of which are either inherently good or bad, but it's how they're used that determines their character. Let me state this, I believe in capitalism and democracy. I believe in free markets. What we have today in the United States is a completely bastardized form of these structures. If you boil down this movement to its core, it's all about equity. It's about having the fair chance to have a decent life and not skewing the numbers and stacking the odds in anyone's favor.