For those of you (bottom feeders) who would pay for a prostitute.

Originally posted by dainoyfb

If taking sex lightly isn't hurting anybody then why do you believe that it shouldn't be taken lightly?

As for accepted widespread prostitution, as I've said, it reduces the status and value of women. I believe it would only increase sexual violence.

As for casual sex in general, need I bring out the fatherless statistics? Not to mention STDs. The degradation of the value of sex is only destructive. You seem to only be able to comprehend the 'right here, right now', as most impulsive people do.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


I wasn't speaking in regards to long-term stable couples.

reply to post by Charmed707


I consider myself corrected. I misunderstood your post.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by dainoyfb

If taking sex lightly isn't hurting anybody then why do you believe that it shouldn't be taken lightly?

As for accepted widespread prostitution, as I've said, it reduces the status and value of women. I believe it would only increase sexual violence.

As for casual sex in general, need I bring out the fatherless statistics? Not to mention STDs. The degradation of the value of sex is only destructive. You seem to only be able to comprehend the 'right here, right now', as most impulsive people do.

the only degraditon of sex is coming from the feminists who wont to make people scared of it
sex is natural
trying to hide its only confusing peoples identity
if we accepted sex we would get rid of most of the problems feminists are worried about

reply to post by Charmed707


Ok, I've done what I can. Obviously you have your opinion and we have ours. I haven't got the energy to go around this circle all night. I'm going to go and get laid. All of this sex chat has got me in the mood for some inconsequential recreation.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by dainoyfb

If taking sex lightly isn't hurting anybody then why do you believe that it shouldn't be taken lightly?

As for accepted widespread prostitution, as I've said, it reduces the status and value of women. I believe it would only increase sexual violence.

As for casual sex in general, need I bring out the fatherless statistics? Not to mention STDs. The degradation of the value of sex is only destructive. You seem to only be able to comprehend the 'right here, right now', as most impulsive people do.

There is marginal risk in everything. You can't stop living for fear of it. If you think so then you better stop driving or getting in a vehicle for that matter.

Live a little. Good night.

reply to post by dainoyfb


This argument has raged for countless years and will never be resolved.

If prostitution was legalised and controlled/monitored in a competent manner, women would have the choice to do or not to do. They can reject undesireable clients, receive regular health checks, be protected by the law and do it only if they wish to.

Women should not be forced into prostitution as men are not force to visit a prostitute.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
For all of who support paying for sex. You need help. The long term psychological damage done to the women involved doesn't matter right? Forced into submission and aggressively raped for a fee.

You have obviously never had to go through a divorce and loss of your home and contact with your children. Men face this same thing every day at the hands of women and the legal system. What support do we get? NOTHING. Does anyone feel sorry for us? No.

I'd rather pick up randoms for one night stands or pay for it rather than risk being subjected to the grief and loss of family and income and property associated relationships ending. I'd rather the uncomplicated and up front exchange of money for sex instead of the agony of a relationship.

Personally I consider "love" to be nothing more than an addiction to brain chemicals produced by being with a particular person, and anyone that allows themselves to fall in love to be a junky.

I am not a love junky. I don't let myself get treated like crap or used by women. I want to get laid, and sometimes, I don't want to have to deal with womens issues and their constant drama. So I use hookers. Does that make me a bottom feeder? Or does it make me smart?

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by knightsofcydonia

 

Mary Anne Layden, Ph. D., Director for Women's Psychological Health in

Philadelphia states in a powerful way:

Most strippers, as with other women who work in the sex industry, are adult

survivors of childhood sexual abuse. Research indicates the number is between

60%-80%. One study found that 35% of strippers have Multiple Personality

Disorder, 55% had Borderline Personality Disorder, and 60% had Major

Depressive Episodes, These are severe psychiatric problems and many of them

are connected to childhood sexual abuse. These are women who when they

were little girls would get into their beds each night and roll themselves into a

fetal position and every night he would come in and peel her open...................

Porn actresses come from backgrounds of child sexual abuse.pdf



Makes you think.........................

I wonder how that report would read if the poll was done in a place where prostitution had been legal for sometime??

I'd expect a totally different outcome.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
For all of who support paying for sex. You need help. The long term psychological damage done to the women involved doesn't matter right? Forced into submission and aggressively raped for a fee. The orgasm is a powerful energy source that is unfortunately abused in our modern culture.

First, I don't support prostitution. Make this known right now...

But how come you are just talking about women here? Men prostitute as well.

Here is my thinking. Laws do need to be in place to prevent children and adults from being forced into prostitution, because it happens to not just women. Children and men to. This is fact.

Now, that said, if an adult chooses to have sex for money on their own and no one is making them do anything, quite frankly, that should be up to them.

I do not agree with prostitution but if an adult makes the choice on their own to sell their body for money, I say so be it... As long as laws are in placed and enforced, to protect children and adults who are exploited and forced into such things.

So what I am saying is... Be realistic and fair.

I am not going to sleep with a prostitute...But I am not going to tell an adult what they can or cannot do with their own body?

As long as they are an adult and it is THEIR choice and not being forced.....get over it.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Although I disagree on the prostitution aspect, well said. Protection of the innocents is paramount.
And if spell prostitute without a "t" one more time, I am going to scream.

Anyway. Star for you and sleep well.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by dainoyfb

If taking sex lightly isn't hurting anybody then why do you believe that it shouldn't be taken lightly?

As for accepted widespread prostitution, as I've said, it reduces the status and value of women. I believe it would only increase sexual violence.

As for casual sex in general, need I bring out the fatherless statistics? Not to mention STDs. The degradation of the value of sex is only destructive. You seem to only be able to comprehend the 'right here, right now', as most impulsive people do.

Its making prostitution illegal that encourages sexual violence. Instead of being in a safe environment, thats clean with security, people that choose that profession are forced to deal with criminals. Criminals that often abuse them and get them mixed into to drugs.

Legal brothels also control the risk of STDS. Condoms and contraceptives are readily available and girls get a good health care so they can get daily check ups.

Look, I'm a sap when it comes to the immediacy of sex myself. However am not going to impose my values on others. If some people don't value sex then thats their prerogative, it has nothing to do with the moral decay of society.

I would like to end this rant with one thing.

Absence doesn't work. What absence does is try to fool ourselves that people don't have sex or the urge for it in less love is involved. That simple isn't true and doing that is dangerous. It ignores education of safe sex in favor of dogma.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
reply to post by Screwed

 

i feel sorry for people who have to pay for sex...
my goal was to create discussion.

edit on 10-10-2011 by knightsofcydonia because: (no reason given)

On a broad premise I agree with you that the sex industry is largely a seedy industry filled with abuse and exploitation, and, ultimately I feel, demeaning for both the man and the woman.

Also though, some men may be absoloutely socially inept and not blessed with the best of looks, and, unfortunately it may be the only way they get to have sex- so whilst I feel a bit sorry for them, I can't get too righteous if they get a bit of comfort that way, obviously on the premise that nobody is being coerced..................................that last part is the tricky bit, I'm sure most people have no idea if the woman is being coerced or not

So I use hookers. Does that make me a bottom feeder? Or does it make me smart?

It makes you human.

It should be legal. In many European countries it is a tightly regulated industry. The women are regularly checked, there are no pimps, taxes are paid ect; A much safer system all around, and local government isn't inundated with the drain on their justice systems by busting hookers and johns.

Is this really what you want your tax dollars wasted on?

www.thesmokinggun.com...enis-765432

Originally posted by Merigold

So I use hookers. Does that make me a bottom feeder? Or does it make me smart?

It makes you human.

It should be legal. In many European countries it is a tightly regulated industry. The women are regularly checked, there are no pimps, taxes are paid ect; A much safer system all around, and local government isn't inundated with the drain on their justice systems by busting hookers and johns.

Is this really what you want your tax dollars wasted on?

www.thesmokinggun.com...enis-765432

there are still pimps in the likes of the Netherlands, if that is the sort of country you are referring to?

reply to post by Merigold


It is legal in my country. And regulated by the government.

reply to post by Charmed707


What planet are you from? There are plenty of men that can't get a women. Your view of what sex is, is just your opinion. Sex being something special is a puritanical western view. In many countries especially Asian and Buddhist cultures it means absolutely nothing except a natural thing that people enjoy doing. Not one person has mentioned the sex trade in Thailand or the Philippines. It is completely out in the open and much of the entire countries economy is based on the sex trade. I have many friends that have married Thai women and have been to the country many times. The women there are not forced into it by any mafia or sex cartel or whatever the hell some people make up to try to convince people that it is always forced and evil. If you offered to take the girls in Thailand away from it they would laugh at you. They don't want to go anywhere. They make a lot of money and they have fun partying with rich foreigners. The girls are happy that they don't have to go to college and work a 9-5. Most of them are from poor farming families and getting into the sex industry is like winning the lottery for them. They can take care of their aging parents with little to no education. look into it. Almost all of the statistics and evil things you do find will be bs. Fly there and talk to the girls that work there. Research the city known as Pattaya.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


This is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the world; a desire to impose one's own morals upon everyone else.

Prostitution has existed since mankind got down from the trees.
And it most likely always will.
It has been practised in every society and culture throughout time.

And even it's most ardent opponents must recognise that it's prohibition obviously doesn't work.

I could write a lengthy post highlighting the many moral, health and safety, economic, legal etc reasons why it should be allowed but unfortunately I haven't the time at present.

But I will take the time to relate an encounter I had once in Amsterdam, a city I have visited on at least ten or so times, for various reasons.

I was in a bar, not in the red light district, and I struck up a conversation with a young lady.
We had a bit of a craic on and it came out in the conversation that she originally came from Brazil and was a prostitute who was out on a social night out with some friends.
We had a bit of a laugh and eventually asked her why she did what she did for a living as she was quite good looking, intelligent, good company blah, blah, blah.
She told me that she had a very poor upbringing and had little opportunity for education and had to work, not as a prostitute to help feed the family.
I'm sure everyone is aware of similar stories - unfortunately it's not that unique in far too many parts of the world.
Anyway, she and some of her family emmigrated to The Netherlands when she was in her mid-teens.

When she was around 20 years old she decided to work as a prostitute to help finance her way through further education, send money back to her relatives who remained in Brazil.
She then started laughing and said there was an added bonus, she loves sex and gets as much or as little as she wants with no commitments whatsoever.

I remember buying her a drink, a rarity in itself some would say, we had a bit of humorous conversation about some of the things she'd been asked to do, I gave her a friendly kiss on the cheek then I left with my mates.

Was she being honest?
I had no reason to disbelieve her.

The point is she willingly did what she did and enjoyed every minute of it.

How many of us can say that about our jobs?

This may be one of the worst threads on ATS that I've ever read.

Cry me a river. Those girls know what they're doing and they make good money doing it.

reply to post by Freeborn


Well put together. I was waiting for you to show up.
I can relate to that. We have a family friend who is an ex-prostitute. She is intelligent, articulated and good company. Why did she do it? I her younger days, she was a wild child and simply did it for the thrill.
Plus, she made a small fortune. She adores sex and her reasonoing was, I love sex so why not get paid too?