How many of you would pay a prostitute? Or vote to make prostitution legal?

If a guy wants to do hookers (charlie sheen) who
no one can say is a poor looser then they should be able too.

Women make (like Eliot Spitzers prostitutes) 5 thousand AN HOUR!!

There are high class hookers...


Not very degrading..

If your selling your body for 5 bucks and a crack rock YES very degrading, but
your making 5 thousand dollars an hour and driving a BMW with a three story house, your
damn right that is less degrading then working at a minimum wage crap hole!!

It is all perspective..

Prostitution IS LEGAL.. What do you think Porn is?
Maybe it is not the two performers exchanging money but the studio
exchanging money to them, they are still selling their body for money, men included!!

a $40 dollar a trick prostitute and a $4,000 a trick prostitute are almost the exact same thing...except for...

the publics perceptions of them are different. the $40 dollar a trick girl works out on the street corner and is demonized for doing so...the $4,000 dollar a trick girl works out of swank hotels, casinos and four star restaurants and is not demonized or stigmatized...

"out of sight out of mind"

the $40 dollar a trick girl is relentlessly harassed by the law and is constantly being arrested and imprisoned and her low and middle class clientel are treated the same way...

the $4,000 a trick girl is not harassed by the law and hardly ever arrested and will not go to prison for doing the exact same thing as the $40 dollar a trick girl,because she has money to afford a good lawyer and is also sheltered and protected by her wealthy clientel...

the $4,000 a trick girl is smart enough,to find men stupid enough,who willingly pay that much for her "highly overrated body"...

frankly i dont see what the fuzz is about,
humans do more "degrading" things to each other
then sharing time well spent.

im all for it as long as its done by free will where no means no.

Originally posted by blocula
"Sex and marriage are related, but only superficially"
_____________________

sex and love are two very different things..

a lot of marriages are money making schemes...just ask the millions of men who were lied to and were stupid enough to get married and get a house with lying,scheming, women and then were thrown out and divorced...

those men who are now living in their mothers basements.while the women who said they loved them are living in what is "now her house", that "use to be their house", with their new boyfriends. houses that the tossed out men are forced to still pay for...boyfriends that these women will never marry,to ensure the in-flow of alimony $$$

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I could propose the flip side. What about the one woman who was stupid enough to believe the guy who told her he'd love her and take care of her and be faithful to her and then found out that for twelve years he had been screwing every Kim, Mary and Sally he could get his hands on. In addition to spending money on women he picked up in bars instead of paying the electricity bill or buying diapers. Now SHE'S stuck with 4 of his kids in a 2 bedroom apartment trying to pay the rent by working 3 part-time jobs. Lost the house cause he went to live with one of his girlfriends and wouldn't pay the mortgage payment anymore and then went to work for cash when he found out how much it was going to cost in child support. That's when sex between consenting adults can and does hurt somebody else. When talking about prostitution, how about the parents of the girl walking the street? You think all of them don't give a crap? I know for a fact that there are lots of mothers and fathers out there who weep every night because their daughters are doing that for a living. And what about that mother who was raising 2 kids and making lots of money and spending lots of time with the kids? You think she's sat those kids down and explained to them what she does for a living? How do you think that would make a kid feel if his mom told him she was a hooker? Seriously?

Originally posted by blocula
a $40 dollar a trick prostitute and a $4,000 a trick prostitute are almost the exact same thing...except for...

the publics perceptions of them are different. the $40 dollar a trick girl works out on the street corner and is demonized for doing so...the $4,000 dollar a trick girl works out of swank hotels, casinos and four star restaurants and is not demonized or stigmatized...

"out of sight out of mind"

the $40 dollar a trick girl is relentlessly harassed by the law and is constantly being arrested and imprisoned and her low and middle class clientel are treated the same way...

the $4,000 a trick girl is not harassed by the law and hardly ever arrested and will not go to prison for doing the exact same thing as the $40 dollar a trick girl,because she has money to afford a good lawyer and is also sheltered and protected by her wealthy clientel...

the $4,000 a trick girl is smart enough,to find men stupid enough,who willingly pay that much for her "highly overrated body"...
war is socially acceptable...sex is not...we are living in a fallen world...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by blocula
a $40 dollar a trick prostitute and a $4,000 a trick prostitute are almost the exact same thing...except for...

the publics perceptions of them are different. the $40 dollar a trick girl works out on the street corner and is demonized for doing so...the $4,000 dollar a trick girl works out of swank hotels, casinos and four star restaurants and is not demonized or stigmatized...

"out of sight out of mind"

the $40 dollar a trick girl is relentlessly harassed by the law and is constantly being arrested and imprisoned and her low and middle class clientel are treated the same way...

the $4,000 a trick girl is not harassed by the law and hardly ever arrested and will not go to prison for doing the exact same thing as the $40 dollar a trick girl,because she has money to afford a good lawyer and is also sheltered and protected by her wealthy clientel...

the $4,000 a trick girl is smart enough,to find men stupid enough,who willingly pay that much for her "highly overrated body"...

war is socially acceptable...sex is not...we are living in a fallen world...

Originally posted by blocula
"Sex and marriage are related, but only superficially"
_____________________

sex and love are two very different things..

a lot of marriages are money making schemes...just ask the millions of men who were lied to and were stupid enough to get married and get a house with lying,scheming, women and then were thrown out and divorced...

those men who are now living in their mothers basements.while the women who said they loved them are living in what is "now her house", that "use to be their house", with their new boyfriends. houses that the tossed out men are forced to still pay for...boyfriends that these women will never marry,to ensure the in-flow of alimony $$$

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You're making me feel differently about men - I am so sorry for every wrong that the female gender has put poor men through.

I never realised that men were the victims of absolutely everything.

Do you know something? I am thinking of starting a charity for all of those poor male victims of women out there - because it sounds like if '99% of decent looking women are leasing their sex' cynically, then that's a hell of a lot of men to help out, support and reinforce that victim mentality to.

If you play the victim...then you'll get treated like one.

I feel your perception - and hence your responses - are either coming from being unlucky in love a few times, or you're exhibiting pig headedness (a male and female trait) and are looking for any narrow, extreme argument to push the view that pigheadedness has made you decide to have today.

The parallels to calling all women whores is to tar all men as rapists and to call all muslims potential suicide bombers.

Originally posted by lazydaisy67

Originally posted by blocula
"Sex and marriage are related, but only superficially"
_____________________

sex and love are two very different things..

a lot of marriages are money making schemes...just ask the millions of men who were lied to and were stupid enough to get married and get a house with lying,scheming, women and then were thrown out and divorced...

those men who are now living in their mothers basements.while the women who said they loved them are living in what is "now her house", that "use to be their house", with their new boyfriends. houses that the tossed out men are forced to still pay for...boyfriends that these women will never marry,to ensure the in-flow of alimony $$$

edit on 10-10-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I could propose the flip side. What about the one woman who was stupid enough to believe the guy who told her he'd love her and take care of her and be faithful to her and then found out that for twelve years he had been screwing every Kim, Mary and Sally he could get his hands on. In addition to spending money on women he picked up in bars instead of paying the electricity bill or buying diapers. Now SHE'S stuck with 4 of his kids in a 2 bedroom apartment trying to pay the rent by working 3 part-time jobs. Lost the house cause he went to live with one of his girlfriends and wouldn't pay the mortgage payment anymore and then went to work for cash when he found out how much it was going to cost in child support. That's when sex between consenting adults can and does hurt somebody else. When talking about prostitution, how about the parents of the girl walking the street? You think all of them don't give a crap? I know for a fact that there are lots of mothers and fathers out there who weep every night because their daughters are doing that for a living. And what about that mother who was raising 2 kids and making lots of money and spending lots of time with the kids? You think she's sat those kids down and explained to them what she does for a living? How do you think that would make a kid feel if his mom told him she was a hooker? Seriously?

Yep - my aunt was with my uncle since she was 16. The only man she ever slept with.

She went to the gynae for a check up and he asked HER how many 'johns' she saw in a day.

Turns out my uncle was a frequent user of prostitutes and serial philanderer. He'd brought a lot of it home with him.

She didnt have a clue till she was exhibiting the first symptoms of cervical cancer - apparently can be caused/kicked off by various STDs. She found out through a gynae that her husband was addicted to them.

I remember being with her the day she found out.

There's victims on both sides.

Do I hate my uncle bill? Yes - although that's fading.

They're no longer together. She was so lonely after 20 years of marriage she took up with another loser who beats her when he's drunk. He actually partially removed her ear with a shovel one night.

She puts up with it, because he was sexually abused and prostituted by his own father, so she feels he cant control his behaviour fully yet at 58.

She can be annoying and confrontational - but she doesnt deserve that. Neither did her current husband deserve to have been used as a child.

Did his father get punished? No - it was pushed under the carpet by his family until the father died.

Do I hate men? No.

There's good and bad in every gender. But we just need to try to treat each other with at least a modicum of respect.

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You're on ATS, home of the angry white libertarian male. Don't expect your reality check to get through the skulls of the MRA-types.

My problem with debates on prostitution is they tend to ignore the act itself and focus instead on the consequences of it being prohibited - drugs, gangsters, trafficking - as if they are the direct result of a person selling sex. Now if it were legal and licensed, not all of this would go away, but then neither has crime vanished from the alcohol industry. And yet we walk into a bar and get drunk with impunity. Then it's down to the customer to understand why they consume as much as they do (see my previous post).

The publics perceptions of them are different.The $50 dollar a trick girl works out on the street corner and is demonized for doing so...The $5,000 dollar a trick girl works out of swank hotels,casinos and four star restaurants and is not demonized or stigmatized...

"Out of sight out of mind"

The $50 dollar a trick girl is relentlessly harassed by the law and is constantly being arrested and imprisoned and her low and middle class clientel are treated the same way.They are literally "rounded up" by the cops...

"Just another way to get rid of the undesireable elements of society"

The $5,000 a trick girl is not harassed by the law and hardly ever arrested and will not go to prison for doing "the exact same thing" as the $50 dollar a trick girl.Because she has money to afford a good lawyer and is also sheltered and protected by her wealthy clientel...

The $5,000 a trick girl is "smart enough" to find men "stupid enough" who willingly pay that much $$$ for her "highly over rated body"...

The $50 prostitute "has exactly the same body" as the $5,000 prostitute...The only difference being...One hangs out in the ghetto wearing $20 jeans and sneakers and the other hangs out in the financial district wearing $200 mini skirts and heels...

Those kind's of societal stigmatism's and favoritism and demonizations and class seperations,literally make me sick and ashamed to admit that i am a part of the human race...We are living in a fallen world...

Man, you're right. Boring misogynists who hang out on the Internet all day and fail to develop any marketable skills or interesting personality traits should totally pull as many hot girls as guys who actually do stuff, in spite of their obvious hatred of women.

If only there was some way to make the world live according to your edicts and pronouncements? Have you considered forming your own religion?

Prostitution has two sides to it. There are a few who do enjoy that lifestyle and consider merely satisfying a natural human desire. Then there are those who fall into it and are forgotten about by society. These are the weak and exploited victims of the crime of prostitution.

A woman by herself in the business is easy to take advantage of. Thus they need a pimp for protection. That pimp then has the full power to exploit the victim.

The pimp cannot be blamed for his role in the whole debacle. He is doing what he has learned he must do in order to advance in this world with what he has been given. Had we not had a world based on competition to survive, then none of this would be an issue.

Those who would do it because they genuinely enjoyed it would, and perhaps more so without the stigma, and those who fell into it through victimisation would be pulled out and healed.

The solution has nothing to do with our laws. It has entirely to do with how we relate with one another.

Laws cannot fix our social ills. Only we can by finding worth in all, and helping each bring out their very best. Even if that best happens to be sensual pleasures.



With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by lazydaisy67

When talking about prostitution, how about the parents of the girl walking the street? You think all of them don't give a crap? I know for a fact that there are lots of mothers and fathers out there who weep every night because their daughters are doing that for a living. And what about that mother who was raising 2 kids and making lots of money and spending lots of time with the kids? You think she's sat those kids down and explained to them what she does for a living? How do you think that would make a kid feel if his mom told him she was a hooker? Seriously?

The fact that something makes someones relatives feel bad is not a reason to ban it by law. If prostitution makes parents or children of the prostitute feel bad, they just have to deal with it. As an adult, the prostitute should not be in any way obligated to stop despite their wishes. So much for this argument.

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No doubt. I mean what does a cop, a Marine, or a Wall Street Banker tell their kids?

"The pimp cannot be blamed", 'he is only doing what he has been taught" oh please. As if there is no other way for these parasitic pimps to have a roof over there heads. The poor pimps just have no other way out in this competitive world. Sympathy for pimps whoulda thought.

I hadn't realized until reading these threads just how many men on this site are 'pro-john'.
Of course most of them would be for legalization, that would make it so much easier for the 'johns'.

They would no longer have to worry about being stigmatized 'themselves', no need to worry about arrest, getting caught, catching a disease and of course the women would be servicing them because they just love and thoroughly enjoy having strange men entering their vaginas for money, so no guilt either.

It is kind of shocking to see how many men here think of ALL women as prositutes. The level of antagonism and outright contempt for the female gender in general in some of these posts is mindboggleing.

It leads me to at least suspect that the 'concern' for the rights and safety of prostitutes here could at least be a
bit of a cover for what is perhaps a more prominant subconscious concern, the rights of the 'john'.

I can't find the numbers, but statistically, legal prostitution eliminates rape almost to nothing. Most women are also against the idea of making prostitution legal. IE: "When the girls away, the boys will play"....

Originally posted by zerbot565
frankly i dont see what the fuzz is about,
humans do more "degrading" things to each other
then sharing time well spent.

im all for it as long as its done by free will where no means no.

Well said... there are a lot of sick people out there.... paying for sex doesn't make anyone a sick person!!

Originally posted by Propulsion
I can't find the numbers, but statistically, legal prostitution eliminates rape almost to nothing. Most women are also against the idea of making prostitution legal. IE: "When the girls away, the boys will play"....

Two things - rape and paid-for sex are not analogous to each other. Rape is a more complex and brutal act than paying for sex. I really don't follow your logic. Secondly, you can't make a sweeping statement about how (all?) women view legalisation and just expect people to take your word for it.

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You asked for sources. UNESCO. Lots and lots of data.

humantrafficking.org...

humantrafficking.org... A study specific to Europe.

Here's an excerpt, dealing with Dutch prostitution and human trafficking;

‘Lover boys’ are pimps who recruit girls by pretending
to be in love with them while hiding
their true aim of sexual exploitation.11 Since the
mid-1990s, the practice has received much public
attention in the Netherlands, although it is neither
new nor typically Dutch.
Exploitation begins when a lover boy targets
a girl, seduces her and makes her believe that
they are having a serious relationship. Gradually
the lover boy drives his victim, often a girl under
18 years old, into extreme social isolation and
dependence and, eventually, into sexual exploitation.
Lover boys also use girls for other exploitative
purposes, such as stealing, smuggling drugs,
money laundering or obtaining loans. Within
the Netherlands, the lover boy phenomenon is
considered a form of trafficking if a girl is taken
away from her social environment and moved to
another place to be exploited. In some cases, this
movement occurs across borders into neighbouring
countries.
Lover boys are reported to be mostly Dutch citizens,
typically 20 to 30 years old, and often from
immigrant families. Underage boys, often with
criminal backgrounds, have also been reported to
use this technique. Recruitment of the child victims
often takes place in schools, with the majority of
victims being Dutch girls, some with immigrant
backgrounds. Non-nationals – asylum seekers and
migrants with or without legal residence – have also
been reported as victims. Girls who have low selfesteem
or come from dysfunctional families are
particularly vulnerable to this form of exploitation.

That's on page 20, verbatim of the above linked study.

Hope that was kind of what you were looking for.