How many of you would pay a prostitute? Or vote to make prostitution legal?

Originally posted by batgirl
reply to post by Mister_Bit

 

I know that it is not all men and that there are decent guys out there. But the dangers I speak of are not
perceived. They are real. My mom's life almost ended at the hands of a deranged man.

My own life has been threatened in the past and I am lucky to be alive.

I kind of wish that more men knew what it is like from a women's perspective. Especially if you are a woman
who lives alone. You have to be constantly on guard of being targetted.

Anyways, this is getting a bit off topic. The only thing that seems to be off limits these days is children, but children are now being overly sexualized. Do you not see this. Where is the line to be drawn, when people start screaming for the rights of children to be able to be in sexual relationship with adults. You may scoff but I can see this coming in the future. This over sexualization of women and now children needs to stop at some point, if that is moralizing and imposing my view on others then so be it. This constant barrage of open and over sexuality is IMPOSED on US all the time. And no, I am not religious but when is enough enough.

Maybe there needs to be a massive change somehow in our overall mindsets to see everyone as valuable beings beyond words and precious souls first and foremost. To treat eachother with dignity and respect and compassion, maybe that is old school nowadays.

The whole reality of prostitution is to me a sad thing that it even exists. We are worth so much more. Everything has been reduced to dollars and cents, even our vaginas. It is sad.

You said it yourself...
"Deranged men"...
I'm under just as much threat from the deranged as you are.

I just get sick of being told I'm a child rapist, woman abuser, pervert or whatever just because of my sex. It's people like you who make my life a living hell because of your prejudices.

In fear of derailing this thread I don't see the connection with "deranged men" and prostitution.
I personally know a prostitute who LOVES it, she loves sex and enjoys her work.

Originally posted by stellify

Originally posted by mutatismutandis

Originally posted by paxnatus
Prostitution is nothing more than degrading yourself.

Is working minimum wage flipping burgers at a Mc Burger Bell your whole life any less degrading?

Yes.

I work directly with those in the field, and a lot would argue otherwise. Of course I wouldn't say every one of them, but many I've worked with say they'd rather feel humiliated for 60 min. then feel humiliated 8hrs a day 40 hrs a week...

I actually just walked one out since my last post on this thread and asked her that very question...her response was "I have 2 kids to feed, no degree, and no family. I could get three minimum wage jobs to cover expenses at the cost of doing something I hate, and never see my kids..or I could do this twice a week and actually get to experience my childeren's childhoods with them."

Then she smiled and waved as she headed out the door saying "on to my next one!"

Of course not every situation is the same, but this is just one example...

reply to post by blocula


What meaning? You sound like every other norm I've met who whines about how unfair it is that he was born with a penis.

Play guitar. Or something. Make yourself interesting and stop trying to turn whores into housewives.

Oh -- and there is a space between a coma and the next word in a sentence.

I'm just saying.

reply to post by mutatismutandis


I'd rather my kids and their friends found out I was working at McDonald's than turning tricks on their schoolmates fathers.

Self respect is subjective.

If they're really happy, then good for them. If they're putting on a front of bravery, then I hope they manage to work through that.

reply to post by stellify


I agree with you completely, this discussion has just been very one sided (not u in particular).

I just wanted to make everyone aware there are two sides to this sword. A lot of the girls I've worked with would love to get out of the profession. Many of which are very intelligent, and some even with careers on the side. I would deffinately say its unfortunate a woman would have a need to resort to this, and its just as unfortunate so many people seek them out. I truely hope something is done to stop those being forced into this lifestyle, but the truth still remains there are many that choose the lifestyle as well. While I do belive that legalizing it and regulating it would remove a lot of the danger and child involvement, at the same time your always going to have those that will take advantage of someone regardless of if it is legal or not.

I think if the solution was as simple as many in this post want to believe it is, this discussion would have been ended years ago.

Originally posted by mutatismutandis

Originally posted by paxnatus
Prostitution is nothing more than degrading yourself.

Is working minimum wage flipping burgers at a Mc Burger Bell your whole life any less degrading?

Looks like you have lost your sense of right and wrong! Your damn right!! Number one it is legal. Number two,
You are not selling your body. What a bunch of dopes we have become if we can think of no other way to make a buck!! People are freaking lazy......and thinking like this poster, we deserve to lose our rights. I don't want to live in a trash can thank you very much.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Dude, give me a break.........You seem to think sex is some kind of right! Actually, sex is a privilege. If you would stop selling out you would probably find a nice woman. But honestly, when she finds out, and she will, that you have been with all these hookers, she will be history.......

Why don't you develop an interest other than cheap sex and see who comes knocking. if you are as nice as you say you are, you will meet the right one. But nothing turns a woman off faster, than someone with low self esteem, and anyone who would pay for sex does not think to highly of themselves.

I mean no disrespect, but stop whining and man up! If you want a lady, go get her!

Pax

"Actually, my man is getting his sex for free. I have supported him for the last five years while he has had a rest from the rat race and builds a business".
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and if that "future commodity" that you've been physically investing in,"his business" falls through,never comes to fruition and should he be left with zero or less. what will happen between you two then?...

anyways, it does'nt change the fact that most decent looking women, lease their sex to the highest bidder...

and personally i think that the praised and worshipped and idolized "beautiful women" of the world, are extremely over-rated...and extremely over paid...but it is that way, because of the millions upon millions of lonely men who are trapped in loveless marriages. who are willing to shell out lots of money for cheap thrills and temporary satisfactions...

Tricky question.

The core problem with prostitution is the abuse of the prostitutes, both by their clients and by their employers. legalization does not really change this aspect of the job, as seen in the brothels in Nevada, where the women are often treated as prisoners, isolated on "ranches," their wages withheld by the madams, and contact with the outside worl (via phone or mail) restricted by putting a price on it - from those withheld wages.

A person who wants to be an "independent" prostitute also runs the risk of abuse from clients, as well as intimidation from organized competition

But criminalization doesn't help this situation; in fact it just adds another layer of trouble, harassment by the police.

So, my take on it is, I see no reason to arrest a person for the "crime" of being a prostitute; it's ridiculous, like arresting someone for running a septic siphoning business. However, I'm uncertain of the institution itself being legalized without groundwork of strong regulation with regular inspection, and organization of sex workers to protect themselves from the dangers inherent to the job.

Originally posted by blocula
"Actually, my man is getting his sex for free. I have supported him for the last five years while he has had a rest from the rat race and builds a business".
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and if that "future commodity" that you've been physically investing in,"his business" falls through,never comes to fruition and should he then be left with zero.what will happen between you two?...

anyways,it does'nt change the fact that 99% of decent looking women,lease their sex to the highest bidder...

The actual problem you're looking at is that most women don't want to hop in the sack with someone who insists that 99% of women are gold-diggers. See, having that sort of attitude is directly detrimental to your chances of meeting up with a woman who'd like to spend time with you.

Who knew, right? Women are turned off by misogyny. Weird.

Originally posted by blocula
"Actually, my man is getting his sex for free. I have supported him for the last five years while he has had a rest from the rat race and builds a business".
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and if that "future commodity" that you've been physically investing in,"his business" falls through,never comes to fruition and should he then be left with zero.what will happen between you two?...

anyways,it does'nt change the fact that 99% of decent looking women,lease their sex to the highest bidder...

If it fails, then we'll stay together and find another way to work together to build a future "together'.

What's so hard to understand about partnership? We've been together 11 years and have actually invested a lot of love, trust, hope, faith and loyalty in each other. Neither of us are perfect...but we do respect each other and each of us has a value to the other that isnt monetary.

So, because I am talking partnership and not selling my 'sex'...that makes me a 'howler' (not decent looking?).

You crack me up!

reply to post by paxnatus


So, you'd say 'telling the truth' is a bad idea? I thought women prefer a guy who tells the truth!!

BTW its not low self esteem... as i said i've joined sites and got nowhere.... been lied to on the sites by women/girls claiming to live in England when in actual fact they live in Africa, Indonesia or Russia! Trying to get my personal info or get me to pay for them to come over here.... so, who is it with the low self esteem?

One reason i havnt had a chance to meet someone outside is because i'm not working at the moment.... but when i do and i meet someone they are either married, have a bf or arent interested in a relationship!!

Sex and marriage are related, but only superficially.

Sex is a human need/desire. It can (and should) be met by your spouse. However, if your spouse is unwilling/incapable of meeting that need, then what should you do?

I suppose the answer to that is between the person and their spouse. Their arrangement is not my, or anyone else's concern.

Why do people feel that they have to nose into what others are doing in the bedroom? It is no wonder this world is so effed up.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by paxnatus

 

but when i do and i meet someone they are either married, have a bf or arent interested in a relationship!!

Yep - all lines we've heard before and generally mean they are not interested in you as a sexual partner. Plain old excuses.

I do feel for you TIITM. I do hope you find a decent girl.

Maybe you'll find her on ATS...but I'd delete any posts about using hookers. Tends to put women off of you.

Dont worry about not having a job. Maybe your frustration is shining out of you and acting like a barrier.

My grandma has a saying of "what's for you, wont go past you".

I think that is utter crap - grab what you want...but get your head right first and it will be in reach.

Originally posted by paxnatus

Originally posted by mutatismutandis

Originally posted by paxnatus
Prostitution is nothing more than degrading yourself.

Is working minimum wage flipping burgers at a Mc Burger Bell your whole life any less degrading?

Looks like you have lost your sense of right and wrong! Your damn right!! Number one it is legal. Number two,
You are not selling your body. What a bunch of dopes we have become if we can think of no other way to make a buck!! People are freaking lazy......and thinking like this poster, we deserve to lose our rights. I don't want to live in a trash can thank you very much.

Glad people read previous posts before responding...nice try moron, try reading first. It was said to prove a point, which quite obviously went over your head...

William Blake once said:

"Prisons are built from bricks of stone. Brothels are built with bricks of religion".

It's because sex, sexuality and the pleasures of the human body were made taboo by religions that prostitution is such a successful industry. Make something forbidden and we want it all the more, but not in a healthy, animal way - in some twisted, neurotic, human way. And that's the real shame.

reply to post by GrOuNd_ZeRo


Or these women can find the internet. The women & men working the streets are very poor and don't have access to the internet. Nowadays, most people do this online. Online its much safer and they tend to charge a lot more. No pimps are needed nowadays. Each person has their own technique. One guy I know will fly to varies cities, put up an ad, get a room in a nice motel and then get guys for a few days. He leaves when he makes what he wanted. A few weeks later, he'll do the same thing in a different city. Others stick to the same city and mostly rely on regulars. It depends on what they prefer.

On a personal note, I've never paid for sex, but I did have sex with my friend that's a prostitute a few times. We did it just for fun though. I was surprised by how good he was at sex. He'd get into every position perfectly. He'd go from position to position flawlessly. Normally, most guys are not pros at this. Everything about the sex we had was smooth and flawless. Since he does this for a living, he perfected it. I can see why someone would pay for sex as they get older and their wives/husbands mostly just lay there and take it missionary style. This guy put on a performance. The finale involved a chair I gotta admit, it was a unique experience to have sex with a guy like him.

He told me he makes about $4,000-$7,000 in each city. He does this about 2-3 times a month. Do the math, he makes a very good living. Plus, he does not pay taxes on the money he makes. I asked him if his bank ever asked questions since he makes very big deposits on a months basis, he says they never have.

reply to post by paxnatus


That is your opinion and this poster has theirs.

How in any way would legalizing prostitution make it so you are living in a garbage can? What would be wrong with keeping your sex life to yourself and letting others have theirs? You need to be involved with other peoples sex lives so much that you support laws making their brand of sexual fun illegal?
In another setting, you might be known as a pervert. How about minding your own bees wax?

"Sex and marriage are related, but only superficially"
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sex and love are two very different things..

a lot of marriages are money making schemes...just ask the millions of men who were lied to and were stupid enough to get married and get a house with lying,scheming, women and then were thrown out and divorced...

those men who are now living in their mothers basements.while the women who said they loved them are living in what is "now her house", that "use to be their house", with their new boyfriends. houses that the tossed out men are forced to still pay for...boyfriends that these women will never marry,to ensure the in-flow of alimony $$$