Can we stop calling Nibiru/Nemesis a hoax..? It is a hypothesis which is yet to be proven.

hmm, well i think the problem is with the fud surrounding it, its always an end of the world scenario and thats upsetting.

take the unicorn for instance, its kindly regarded as a creature of fantasy. however the existence of one would be considered speculative, rather than hoax. if however somebody claimed that unicorns were going to destroy the world in 2013, that would be quickly shot down as a hoax.

reply to post by mockrock


If you want to stick strictly to scientific journal articles why do you refer to Nemesis as Nibiru? In no legitimate research paper are they considered one in the same. In fact I can't even think of a single paper that uses the term nibiru outside Assyriology. The reason so many people are referencing Sitchin is because he is the one that proposed that the term nibiru actually refers to a planet. No legitimate researchers support this theory. So if you want people to discuss Nemesis maybe you shouldn't have associated it with Nibiru. Considering that there is nothing similar between the two I don't even know why you claimed they are the same object.

Sitchin has been proven completely incorrect in his translations so I am afraid that you must accept that Nibiru is not a theory. It is a hoax.

reply to post by mockrock


You are confusing two very different ideas:
Nemesis - a disproven scientific idea, once serious, but not now
Nibiru - a fictional planet, never serious

reply to post by mockrock


You think that YU55 is a planet 4x the size of Jupiter with a 3600 year orbit and has aliens on it that steal gold from Earth?

reply to post by mockrock

There is more evidence to support the theory than there is to discount it completely.

There is no evidence at all for Nibiru.

reply to post by mockrock

I would not bother so much with Sitchin's work and the aliens etc.. stick to the science papers

Nibiru is from Sitchin. There are no scientific papers involved.

reply to post by mockrock

It is fascinating how the science articles are ignored and we go back to trying to link it to Mayan/alien themes.. Forget these.. Lets stick to science for this thread.

So for this thread I am trying to argue Nibiru/Nemesis needs to be treated as a serious theory..

If you are so interested in this discussion then why are you mixing together these ideas?

reply to post by noonebutme


I think we all know what OP is referring to......Nibiru (crossing of the planet), Nemises (hypothetical Star), Wormwood (bible prophecy - Death Star), Planet X (not sure where this came from...Stitchen, I think). So lets not get technical about the name of which OP is referencing, huh?

And could it be possible that the reason we've never had any published facts is because someone or something is surpressing them? All things are possible. There does seem to be more evidence surrounding that this is possiblity rather than not. Weather patterns are not normal (mile wide tornados in the mid-west a few months back)....animal / fish die offs by the "masses", "sink" holes turning up all over the planet (with no explanation)..now granted there are some pretty silly claims out there, however there are also some that are worthy of our attention....for example:
The fact that Dr. Robert S. Harrington, head of our Naval Observatory in 1993, died before he could supposedly publicize the fact that Planet X is approaching our Solar System.

It is extremely unlikely that a man would contract cancer and die within a matter of days, suffering the sudden impact of pain and debilitation characteristic of rapid onset cancer, while miraculously traveling on a physically demanding expedition and performing intensive astronomical operations.

From his obituary:
Robert (Bob) Harrington died on Jan. 23, 1993 after a short, but determined, battle against esophageal cancer. He left his wife, Betty, two daughters, a sister, and his parents.

Furthermore, in publishing Dr. Harrington's obituary, the U.S. Naval Observatory went out of its way to gratuitously lie about Dr. Harrington's final achievement, stating that "in his final years, Dr. Harrington had lost interest in the" [two-century astronomical] "search for Planet X." The obituary had the following to say about Planet X:

Considerations on the stability of the solar system led Bob to collaborate with T.C. Van Flandern in studies of the dynamical evolution of its satellites, and to an eventual search for "Planet X", conjectured to lie beyond Pluto and to be responsible for small, unexplained, residuals in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. Late in his career Bob seemed quite skeptical of such an object, however.

Secrecy about the approach of Planet X could have been much better achieved by NOT mentioning Harrington's interests in his later years; so why did they concoct this lie gratuitously? Because they are not very clever, this brain trust ensconced within the bowels of the national intelligence apparatus.


As long ago as Dec. 30, 1983, the Washington Post published a front-page article announcing the discovery, by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite, of this very same celestial object, calling it "a heavenly body, possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter, and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of our solar system"; yet, this great scientific heralding was immediately reversed as the news media fell astoundingly silent, and has been silent for the past quarter-century.

"Possibly as Large as Jupiter"

"The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time."

yowusa.com...

in addition science is now saying that it is vey possible that we are living in a binary solor system....is it possible that this planet is our SUNS COMPANION?

www.astrobio.net...

If a massive planet and its entourage was approaching our Solar System one quarter-century ago, and the media chose to conceal it, does this wrecking ball suddenly become a soap bubble? Or does the fear-bred silence of the powers-that-be suggest that they are desperately protecting their empire of social, political, and economic domination for as long as possible before they duck into their elaborate underground cities in a wishful attempt to survive God's promised wrath, now hurtling toward us all?

Now ar far as it being s "DOOMSDAY PROPHECY".....I disagree with. "I" do NOT believe that it will be an extinction level event. But it is possible that it WILL create some havoc on Earth. So preperation is key, is what I say. If nothing happens...well all the better. But if it does....you will be prepared.

As much as I am intrigued by the theory of Nibiru/Planet X, until proof is in front of me, I can't logically "hope" that it is real...

Why would people want it so bad... to cleanse the earth? To cleanse a corrupt human civilization? I am no genius when it comes to these things, but what makes people think they are going to survive it IF it ever happens?

Granted I will be prepared for the worst, but I'm crossing my fingers daily that I can see my boys continue to grow and my daughter frolicking in the sunshine as these are the things important to me.

However, if wormwood, planet X, nibiru, whomever comes... I will be a mother f*&#ing warrior of light rest assured.

reply to post by moonpoet




Absolutely!! I hope and pray that nothing drastic takes place at the levels these fear mongers predict....I also would like to believe that we have a furture on this planet that has a bright outlook. But it's I'm also open "realistically" to the fact that it may not be so bright....for several obvious reasons. But I continue to live in the light!

Originally posted by mockrock


Why do you keep referring to a load of christian nonsense ? and Stitichin's interpretation. This thread is to discuss the science behind Nibiru/Nemesis theory.

he's not referrng to christian nonsense....

its the name of the person who translated it...

Translation by Christian and Barbara Joy O'Brien

reply to post by Angelicdefender2012


As it says about Harrington, he was looking for Planet X. This is a very specific term coined by Percivall Lowell in the first decade of the 20th century. It was a hypothesized planet that would explain the perturbations in the gas giants first observed with the discovery of Neptune. These perturbations disappeared however in 1989 with the Voyager 2 flyby of Neptune when its mass was recalculated. At this point Harrington's and everyone else's search for Planet X ended.

As for the 1983 article from the Washington Post, it was a highly sensationalized article based on the research of Houck et al. Within the IRAS data there were ten unidentified signatures. Houck and his team hypothesized a number of possibilities for these objects, one of which was a new planet within the solar system. In 1985 Houck et al. published a follow-up paper which identified nine of these objects as distant, ultra-luminous, young galaxies. In 1987 Houck and his team finally identified the last object as an infrared cirrus. So, the story wasn't hushed up, it just wasn't interesting enough for the Washington Post to write a follow-up article.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Its Real just not a celestial object.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


could this be a good example of our solar system?.and what we are talking about...what i see in the image,is what would be considered our sun,,a jupiter sized planet,,and what we are calling a nemesis in what would be called the oort cloud ,or the kuiper belt ...thoughts?

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard
reply to post by mockrock

 

I don't know what is worse... The bandwagon that calls NIBIRU a hoax or the bandwagon that knows SH*T about Sumerian cosmogony, that has absolutely NO astronomical information from Sumerian tablets, that doesn't know what NIBIRU, but pretend to be experts in the subject, based in YT videos of people who point every single sun flare, star or even a smudge in the lens, as a brown dwarf near the sun. Ironically most of these people asking for credibility in threads about this subject, have NEVER read a single book of Zecharia Sitchin, who brought the name "NIBIRU" into the knowledge of modern society and these very people, most of time, ignore real astronomical information about the noticeable effects of the hypothetical presence of a brown dwarf star in the inner system, as sunlight reflection and orbital disruption in the inner planets.

Despite the fact that nor a single amateur astronomer of world wide, has reported anything in the inner system, suggesting such object, these people DON'T WANNA know it. They desperately want the morbid thrill of a planetary cataclysm in the next video of Terral or any other doom preacher.

I do believe that NIBIRU does exist, but in what concerns me, the Sumerians could have referred to ANYTHING they saw in the sky. An alien mothership, a space station, a hologram, ANYTHING. But if it was really a brown dwarf star or a giant rogue planet, what they saw and named NIBIRU, better you guys come with some solid evidence that is within the inner system right now.

What I would say too, though I wouldnt even think there is a far and large planet in our solar system causing anything. The furthest planet-dwarf recognized is afair Sedna.

OP, what do you give all who werent believers in 2012 when nothing unusual happens? The Mayan cycles ending in important events could be true but it is only a speculation that researchers are doing. And important event does not necessarily mean the Earth will crack? This would happen gradually unless something hits us in the mean time.

How can you be so certain about a specific date? No one knows what next decades will look like but thinking in exactly that day likea schedule smth will happen... give me money when cataclysm doesnt (not that I want it, not for all)

Oh I have an idea - delete button for this forum.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Actually what is says....is that he found Planet X and died before he was able to get the message out. And your reasoning behind the "FACTS" I posted in reference to the oddities taking place currently and in the last year or two with our planet? Have noticed our extreme weather conditions lately?

www.guardian.co.uk...

Listen I'm not stating that I believe 100% that this thing is real. What I am stating is that there IS a possibility that this planet is REAL. Strange the story just won't go away, don't you think? What do you make of the sink holes? And how about all the animal die offs? Maybe they are related maybe they are not.....the point is that we can NOT rule out ANYTHING. And we CERTAINLY can NOT trust our government to come clean and be honest for once! If we could we wouldn't have all this speculation on both sides of the issue, would we?

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by OzTiger

Originally posted by mockrock

Originally posted by OzTiger
Michael S Heiser, a scholar of Aramaic and Hebrew languages disputed Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of the Sumerian Tablets and explains why here:

www.michaelsheiser.com/nibiru

If Niburu was a planet, inhabited by the Anunnaki, on the elliptical orbit that Sitchin claims, it would be an ice-ball.
Sitchin also predicted that Niburu would arrive here in 2003.
Not to be totally ignored but some of Sitchin's interpretations are seriously flawed.

I would not bother so much with Sitchin's work and the aliens etc.. stick to the science papers, there has been so much evidence to back it up without needing to use any of the Mayan information either.. too easy to be labelled as misinterpretation.

There has been no scientific recognition of Niburu. It does not exist.
Nowhere does the Sumerian Tablets refer to "The Anunnaki" or "Niburu".
Translation by Christian and Barbara Joy O'Brien refer to "The Shining Ones".
Whereas I do believe that our DNA has been interfered with and it could well have been those 'Gods' referred to by the Sumerians, talk of Nibiru is purely Sitchin's interpretation which no one else has confirmed.

Why do you keep referring to a load of christian nonsense ? and Stitichin's interpretation. This thread is to discuss the science behind Nibiru/Nemesis theory.

Sorry my friend, I am not here to annoy anyone but Nibiru came from Sitchin's imagination and not from any scientific research so therefore we have to bring Sitchin into the equation.
Whereas I am not a practicing Christian I admire people who have 'found the faith' regardless of their religion and respect their opinions. To describe some-one's opinions as 'a load of christian nonsense' is hardly fair and constructive comment.
There will be much discussion on this subject in the future where I hope we can all agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

reply to post by Angelicdefender2012

So lets not get technical about the name of which OP is referencing, huh?

That is the problem. You want to mix together all sorts of completely different issues. Maybe you don't understand how different they are to appreciate the problem.

You provide 3 ideas for possibly suspecting a new large mass in the soalr system

Weather patterns are not normal (mile wide tornados in the mid-west a few months back)....animal / fish die offs by the "masses", "sink" holes turning up all over the planet (with no explanation)

Not sure why you believe that a new planet would cause any of these issues.

Do you think that Jupiter causes any of these? It's a known large mass in the solar system.

As to some of the other issues:
Harrington died about the time the Planet X issue was resolved with the Voyager II flyby of Neptune. The flyby was in 1989. Up to that time there was a reason to look for an unknown planet. After that the search was moved beyond 70AU to a position far enough out so that a planet would not be detected by measurements of planet positions. Now the search has moved out to 320AU for a Mars sized object.

The Washington Post article does not state that any object was found inside of the solar system. It makes a list of objects that might exist from a possible planet to a distant galaxy. The objects in question were strange in that there was no visual counterpart. The objects turned out to be distant galaxies and a so-called interstellar cirrus cloud.

You can read the original Washington Post article and the articles written by the people named in the article to see what a crappy article it was. You can also see how people have lied about the contents of the article.

reply to post by Angelicdefender2012


You claim to have listed facts. You actually misrepresented the situation. That's hardly listing facts.

Listen I'm not stating that I believe 100% that this thing is real. What I am stating is that there IS a possibility that this planet is REAL. Strange the story just won't go away, don't you think? What do you make of the sink holes? And how about all the animal die offs? Maybe they are related maybe they are not.....the point is that we can NOT rule out ANYTHING. And we CERTAINLY can NOT trust our government to come clean and be honest for once! If we could we wouldn't have all this speculation on both sides of the issue, would we?

There are no reasons to believe that there is a planet out there. Gravity and whole sky surveys demonstrate that there is no large unknown mass out there, well anything within 340AU for an Earth sized or larger planet.

I have no idea why anyone would think that a distant planet would affect the solution of rocks and cause sinkholes. Animal die offs? How do you connect those to a distant planet?

To claim that nothing can be ruled out is ludicrous. To use the ludicrous claim suggesting government involvement is ridiculous. All this suggests is that you have no idea what you are talking about.