Answering Questions At The Gate

reply to post by mathematic


How about its as simple as what you project or reflect upon this existence is mirrored back onto you. SO YOU HAVE YOU THERE AND ALL THOSE YOU ENCOUNTERED IN YOUR LIFE AND DEATH PHASES OF EXISTENCE on earth and in cosmos "OTHERS" YES INTERIOR UNIVERSAL INHABITANTS PLACING ENERGY ON THOSE THEY ENCOUNTERED. THEY ARE ALL SIMPLY SCANNED OR ASKED WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT YOU AND KNOW THEY MUST SAY TRUTH. SO THEY SPEAK ON YOU AND WHAT YOU DID.

NOW YOU GOT SOME DEATHS/MURDERS YOU CAUSED WELL THEY ARE ALSO THERE PRESENT PUTTING YOUR DATA ON YOUR SOUL SCALE DENSITY SCALE INTEGRITY SCALE. AND THATS IT AFTERWARDS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID WRONG. TAKE GOING TO LOWER OR TRY AGAIN OR JUST SENT LOWER DEPENDING.

BE WELL

very metaphysical day it seems..

Originally posted by mathematic
reply to post by OldCorp

 

We have to remind St. Peter that Christ died on the Cross? Why's he still the bouncer into the Golden Gates?

Bouncers are the same everywhere you go.Doesn't matter if the owner said you can come in. Doesn't matter if your name is on the list."Sorry, not tonight buddy". I've been refused entry to places I just happened to be passing,with no intention of going in..

As an atheist if I get woken from death to get ID'd by Pete the bouncer, I'll be very very pissed.

reply to post by relocator


Thank you for your kind encouragement. I really do appreciate your sincerity.

I will be honest. Unfortunately it will be very controversial and brutal at the same time. Please understand that I say these things out of care and concern FOR ALL PEOPLE. My intention is not to upset people - only to present facts that may help others find truth and meaning. This website caters for many people on that very journey - to find truth. That is done by lots of different people explaining their own beliefs and experiences, and the ' searcher ' taking from those testimonies what generally suits their character and lifestyle. Therein lies the problem.

By definition, truth is solid, unchanging, steadfast. It will hold up to any scrutiny and endure through all scepticism and critique. It can not bend, sway, or flex. It can not be reshaped, remolded, or reduced to certain parameters. It is not opinion but fact. It is the same yesterday as it is today - and will be the same tommorrow. It doesn't change with the tide or with the times or with the trends. Truth doesn't apply to some and not others - truth is the same for EVERYONE - that's what makes it truth.

Now, in terms of the Roman Catholic church and their beliefs and practises (which is the website that your link directed me to), so as NOT to upset or offend people, I will simply say that if you research the history of the Papacy ( the Popes and their position in the church) in terms of why the Catholic Bible is somewhat different to The Holy Bible, and even their ten commandments are different from the original, the truths that you will find will actually give you the answers to your question.

That is the best answer that I can provide without treading on too many toes (I hope). Sorry that it is a little vague - I truely don't want to upset anyone if I can help it.

Happy hunting and be blessed.

I respect your approach in this response, I'm open to what you have to say. You start by wanting to present facts, but there are no facts. If there were facts, there would be no debate. We would know truth.

reply to post by mathematic


Thank you for your encouragement of my words. Whenever I post anything, I hope to, above all, do so out of love and peace to everybody. I try to never condemn or judge others, just to reason and discuss with simple and caring words.

I would like to ask you why you are so sure that there are no facts. Honestly, their are overwhelming, outstanding and irrefutable facts to support the truths of The Holy Bible. Please, take the time to do a genuine study of them and you will find out for yourself.

We're created with innate desires and survival instincts. We operate on these conditions. If God didn't want us to do things, he wouldn't give us the instinct or desire to do so. Yeah we're given free will, but there are still physical law governing free will. I can't will myself to the moon.

The Bible teaches that we were created for the Glory of GOD - to have fellowship with HIM and HIS creation. We were made "very good" originally. The introduction of sin and seperation from GODs perfect creation has reduced us to 'operate on these conditions - our innate desires and survival instincts' as you put it. These are or sinful desires because we are in a sinful state.
Free will has nothing to do with the physical laws that govern life. The Bible teaches that free will is simply the ability (given to humans exclusively) to choose whether to be friends with GOD or not. This is so that we can choose (or deny) to love our Creator with all of our hearts. If we were made to 'automatically' love GOD then it would not be genuine or sincere or real.

Again, I do appreciate your response. I continue my search. Man gave me a Bible. Man is corrupt. I cannot accept it as fact. We even have dishonest text books in our educational system teaching our youth incorrect information about our history (link to source). I just cannot accept it as fact, until I explore it for myself.

I urge you out of love, again, to investigate the claims in The Holy Bible. Investigate the outlandish and extremely audacious claims that JESUS made of HIMSELF. HE claimed to be GOD. But HE also BACKED UP HIS CLAIMS WITH MIRACLES AND GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS. THE MOST AMAZING BEING HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE GRAVE.
Please don't say "that you can't accept it as fact". If you are searching for something then you have to be responsive and willing to accept what you may find - even if it is so far away from your expectations or hopes.
Remember that truth is uncompromising and unyielding. You can not take bits of truth to suit yourself. You can not put it in a box, or trim its edges, or reshape it to fit into a different space. Truth can not be changed - if it is then it becomes a lie.

I believe a divine intelligence created the physical laws which we are bounded by in this dimension we live in.

That is really, really good news. You are doing well in your search for truth. If you just dig a little deeper friend, I am certain that you will be able to NAME that divine intelligence. Once you find who HE is, then everything will become clearer for you. I am excited for you - because it is such a joy and happiness to finally discover for ourselves the truth that we have been surpressing all our lives.

I don't think we were given the vastness of the cosmos, quantum mechanics, mathematics, and all of these other truly incredible discoveries, with a guide book of parables that cannot relate to modern day.

My friend, if you carefully study what the Holy Bible says (which was written some time ago - before our amazing advances in science) you will find that all of these things are not only mentioned/described in the scriptures, but that science and its amazing discoveries of today actually SUPPORT what The Holy Bible has told us ALL ALONG. So this DOES make it VERY relevant for todays times !!!!

Also remember that TRUTH NEVER CHANGES. It is the same yesterday as it is today and will be tommorrow.
An analogy would be this.......... My great great grandfather had black hair. When he was a boy he had black hair. When he became an adult he had black hair. When he died he still had black hair. Even though he has been dead for many years he always had black hair. That is a truth and can never change. (a pretty crappy analogy I know but I am no scholar !!!!)

I really want to believe, but my head is wired in a way I cannot just accept something man puts on my lap.

I agree. Don't just accept what you are told - even by ME. Investigate, research, double check everything that I have told you and find out for yourself !

Be blessed friend

Do you believe that your god is all-knowing? If so, then he knew that when he created this place called "hell" that man would also be put there. So, how can you or the bible say that god created it only for the fallen angels? It is a lie, or your god is not all-knowing.

reply to post by Hydroman


Yes my GOD is all-knowing. Yes HE did know that when HE created hell that many people would end up there. That is why HE also provided the means to NOT GO THERE ! That means is faith in JESUS CHRIST. We are "saved" (which simply means that we are reconcilliated with GOD) BY HIS GRACE, THROUGH HIS WORK, FOR HIS GLORY.

It is not a lie. People just have a limited and distorted perspective on who GOD is. We don't like to admit that GOD is beyond our own reasoning capabilities - therefore we try to reduce HIM to something we can catagorise or control.

reply to post by relocator

I want to know why the vatican changed the wording of the bible from Holly Ghost to the Holly Spirit for example. I believed until recently that they could mean the same thing but I am in the process of questioning this and the fact that they could have different meanings.

The Roman Catholic Church has changed MANY things from the scriptures. For example - The Holy Bible teaches that the only way to salvation is through JESUS CHRIST. The scriptures say this over and over and over again. The Roman Catholic Church blatantly DISAGREE with this by many of their rituals and catacisms.

The very website that you linked in a previous post announces that 'the rosary will save you from hell'.
The website also claims that by appealing to 'the mother of GOD' SHE will forgive you from your sins.

The Holy Bible teaches that GOD ALONE forgives sin.
The Holy Bible teaches that JESUS alone saves us from hell.

The Catholic Church worship Mary.
The Holy Bible tells us to worship GOD alone and have no other gods before HIM.

As I mentioned before - research the history of the Roman Catholic Church. It is very important to know and understand what foundation the Catholic Church is built on

Be Blessed.

reply to post by OldCorp

. . .Christ paid the price for me. . .

If you are referring to 1 Corinthians 6:20, Paul did not say that to encourage people to sin, quite the opposite, he wrote that to encourage people to do no sin, since we are now the property of another and must meet the demands of our master, which is to be pure.
The payment Jesus made was not to pay for your sin as if it was a debt where there was a bill to pay. Jesus died to ransom us from a system which demanded us to all die. The ransom was for the entire world, so that those who work righteous deeds will have a light to be seen doing those works and to be rewarded. Those not showing that righteousness remain condemned.

It's a trick question. If you make up excuses and start explaining, you might got to hell. If you simply respond and say " why do you need to ask? Jesus died for my sins"

Then boom! That's the secret password.


And doing good deeds helps too

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall

Yes my GOD is all-knowing. Yes HE did know that when HE created hell that many people would end up there. That is why HE also provided the means to NOT GO THERE ! That means is faith in JESUS CHRIST. We are "saved" (which simply means that we are reconcilliated with GOD) BY HIS GRACE, THROUGH HIS WORK, FOR HIS GLORY.

It is not a lie. People just have a limited and distorted perspective on who GOD is. We don't like to admit that GOD is beyond our own reasoning capabilities - therefore we try to reduce HIM to something we can catagorise or control.

If you're god is all-knowing, how can you say that hell was not created for man? As soon as he created it, he knew he would be going there. Was he thinking, "this place is not for man, but I will put them here." ? That doesn't make any sense. So, he knew he would be putting sinful man there right along side the fallen angels. It was made for them and us. There's no other way around it.

Originally posted by LightWarrior11
It's a trick question. If you make up excuses and start explaining, you might got to hell. If you simply respond and say " why do you need to ask? Jesus died for my sins"
Then boom! That's the secret password.
And doing good deeds helps too

edit on 8-10-2011 by LightWarrior11 because: (no reason given)

Any specific reasons you could present to the gatekeeper to accept that ". . .for sins" part?
When Paul said we are not saved by works, he meant the rules in the old law which did not have anything to do with how we treated other people but was following rules that had become completely meaningless in practical terms and only showed a devotion to rule keeping, no matter where those rules actually came from. We know the spiritual laws because we understand them spiritually as coming to us directly from God. Those spiritual things were not what Paul meant by, works. We are inspired by Jesus to do things which are helpful and good on a practical level, and those are the deeds that are needed to make the world a better place and to drive out Satan.

If you're god is all-knowing, how can you say that hell was not created for man? As soon as he created it, he knew he would be going there. Was he thinking, "this place is not for man, but I will put them here." ? That doesn't make any sense. So, he knew he would be putting sinful man there right along side the fallen angels. It was made for them and us. There's no other way around it.

reply to post by Hydroman


I think you need to re-read exactly what I have written in my posts.

Mankind CHOOSES to go to hell by denying JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR.

An analogy would be roughly this ..........

We have a judicial system that puts criminals (when found guilty) into prison, to be punished for their crimes (breaking the law) and to seperate them from society so they can not continue to commit crimes against that society.
If you don't want to go to prison - then don't commit any crimes ! If you CHOOSE to be a criminal and break the law then you risk going to prison.
We have been found guilty because of sin. We are classed as law breakers because of sin. If we choose to remain law breakers then (because we are guilty) we will be sentenced to prison (hell). If we choose to not be law breakers (redemption by JESUS), then we are free from prison because we are no longer found guilty.

GOD does NOT PUT man in hell. Man goes there BY HIS OWN CHOICE.
The Holy Bible teaches that plainly and clearly.

If all mankind accepted JESUS as LORD and SAVIOUR then none of us would go to hell and it would only be satan and his angels that were banished there. The Grace of GOD provides that OPTION for ALL OF MANKIND. As I said - GOD knew that we would turn away from him, so HE also provided the way for us to turn back - by dying IN OUR PLACE so we don't have to be punished for our own sin. GOD took OUR punishment onto HIMSELF. JESUS went to hell

SO WE DON'T HAVE TOO !

BUT IT HAS TO BE OUR CHOICE WHETHER TO ACCEPT OR DENY THAT. If we deny, then we must pay for our own sin and thats when our CHOICE becomes hell (eternal seperation from GOD).

Originally posted by mathematic
Today you died.

You go to the gate of heaven, and you're questioned on your decisions that you made. The righteous man would have made all the right decisions, yet your 80+- years on earth are all rapped up into this interview.

When you were four years old, you snuck a cookie . . . At 13, you smoked a cigarette. . . . At 20 you drank a beer . . . At 36, you killed somebody while driving a vehicle intoxicated. Or maybe you didn't.

Now for this, you're going to hell. You were brought up from an egg and sperm, threw into a vengeful world, and taught what was right and wrong from a book your great-great-great-great-grandmother passed down from a translation of a monarch.

You meet St. Peter at the gate. He asks, "Why did you cheat on the spelling test in 2nd grade?" Then he says, "Why would you sneak that cookie your mother told you not to take?" Blah, blah blah . . . "Why do you look at internet porno?" "Why did you speed on the highway?" Blah blah blah . . .

We're all gonna face it one day. What are we gonna say?

I'm just gonna say, God made me that way. I didn't make myself.

I would probably not try to make excuses for my actions...

I AM who I AM

Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
—André Gide

"Fish die belly-upward and rise to the surface; it is their way of falling - Andre Gide"

reply to post by mathematic

Yeah, He is a genious isn't he ?

reply to post by Akragon

I would probably not try to make excuses for my actions... I AM who I AM

Love that! Believer or not. If someone can lay out everything in front of you, in which you did, how could you provide an excuse?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by relocator

 

I want to know why the vatican changed the wording of the bible from Holly Ghost to the Holly Spirit for example. I believed until recently that they could mean the same thing but I am in the process of questioning this and the fact that they could have different meanings.

The Roman Catholic Church has changed MANY things from the scriptures. For example - The Holy Bible teaches that the only way to salvation is through JESUS CHRIST. The scriptures say this over and over and over again. The Roman Catholic Church blatantly DISAGREE with this by many of their rituals and catacisms.

The very website that you linked in a previous post announces that 'the rosary will save you from hell'.
The website also claims that by appealing to 'the mother of GOD' SHE will forgive you from your sins.

The Holy Bible teaches that GOD ALONE forgives sin.
The Holy Bible teaches that JESUS alone saves us from hell.

The Catholic Church worship Mary.
The Holy Bible tells us to worship GOD alone and have no other gods before HIM.

As I mentioned before - research the history of the Roman Catholic Church. It is very important to know and understand what foundation the Catholic Church is built on

Be Blessed.

I totally agree with your statement..Except now the catholic church believes that you do have to go to Jesus..

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall

Mankind CHOOSES to go to hell by denying JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR.

Really? What about those who know nothing about Jesus? Do you think I'm going to choose to go to hell? What if I choose to go to heaven? You think I'm just going to walk right into hell? Someone will have to put me there. Who will it be?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
An analogy would be roughly this ..........

We have a judicial system that puts criminals (when found guilty) into prison, to be punished for their crimes (breaking the law) and to seperate them from society so they can not continue to commit crimes against that society.
If you don't want to go to prison - then don't commit any crimes ! If you CHOOSE to be a criminal and break the law then you risk going to prison.

Prison was created for the intention of putting prisoners in it. Prisoners don't go to prison on their own choosing. Sure, they choose to do wrong, but they don't choose to go to prison. They are placed there by someone else.

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
GOD does NOT PUT man in hell. Man goes there BY HIS OWN CHOICE.
The Holy Bible teaches that plainly and clearly.

Show me where it shows this plain and clearly. You believe that (if this is all real) man will just walk in to hell with no one escorting him there?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
If all mankind accepted JESUS as LORD and SAVIOUR then none of us would go to hell and it would only be satan and his angels that were banished there. The Grace of GOD provides that OPTION for ALL OF MANKIND.

What about his grace for the angels? Why is there none?

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
As I said - GOD knew that we would turn away from him, so HE also provided the way for us to turn back - by dying IN OUR PLACE so we don't have to be punished for our own sin. GOD took OUR punishment onto HIMSELF. JESUS went to hell SO WE DON'T HAVE TOO !

Why do you allow an innocent person take your place for your crime? Don't be a coward, man up and take your punishment. You deserve your punishment, take it.

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
BUT IT HAS TO BE OUR CHOICE WHETHER TO ACCEPT OR DENY THAT. If we deny, then we must pay for our own sin and thats when our CHOICE becomes hell (eternal seperation from GOD).

And this is what we deserve. Accept it. Don't let someone else do this for you. It would be like a man on deathrow, and he has an option of letting a baby take his place if he just accepts it. That is sickening.

reply to post by Hydroman

What about his grace for the angels? Why is there none?

Because "fallen angels" is a myth.
Ask someone who believes in this idea, what their sources are for it, and you get things like Revelation, Jude, 2 Peter, 2 Thessalonians, or worse, like Enoch. None of these things are reliable witnesses for actual history and are at best metaphorical, and on the other end of the scale, pure forgery.

Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall

We have a judicial system that puts criminals (when found guilty) into prison, to be punished for their crimes (breaking the law) and to seperate them from society so they can not continue to commit crimes against that society.
If you don't want to go to prison - then don't commit any crimes ! If you CHOOSE to be a criminal and break the law then you risk going to prison.

Again let me point out that criminals don't choose to go to prison. They are put there. If they had a choice, they would not walk into the prison, more than likely. The problem with prison now-a-days though is that it's not really too bad in there. You get to eat, watch tv, enjoy recreation, etc. lol.

reply to post by Hydroman


You have been told the answers to your questions/accusations before - many,many times.

Weren't you a Christian for over twenty years yourself? As you have claimed?

You have made your choice already. You already know the consequences for your choice.

You are like a fisherman. You sit there still and waiting, with bait on your hook - waiting for someone to take a bite.

I will not bite.

Peace be with you.