Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! Dr. Mark Dean Invented the PC And He's A Black Man (can it be true??)

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by Chai_An

Originally posted by kimish

Originally posted by Alxandro
No disrespect to Dean but since the race card has been brought up, I need to ask,

I wonder how many times was he called an Uncle Tom while working hard as a student?
How many times was he accused of not keeping real?

One last question regarding the twinkle in his eye,
... is he gay?

Excellent point (except for the gay quote, uncalled for). Bill Cosby was called a house 'n-word' and uncle tom for calling blacks out on not taking responsibility for themselves. That kind of relates to this thread... www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 5-10-2011 by kimish because: (no reason given)

No it don't relate to this thread? How does anyone calling someone those names even relate to the discussion at hand? If another black person said something mean about this man it does not relegate his contributions to computer science to the junk pile. Caucasians never said anything negative about Mister Jobs, or Bill Gates? These two men were well liked by all white people? Really? If not did those other white people's comments diminish their contributions to computers? No. So what does Mister Dean sexuality or what other blacks may or may not have said about him have to do with his inventing a computer chip? Nothing.

edit on 5-10-2011 by Chai_An because: (no reason given)

For the record I am neither black nor white, I am Hispanic, and the point I was making was that since this was the first time I had heard of Dean thanks to the Op, why not find out everything about him.
He's black sure, and his contributions are great I'm sure, but why stop there?
If he is also gay, let's hear it.
That way both gays and homosexuals can cheer together.
What's wrong with that?
I don't have have a problem with it, why should you, unless you feel it's not right .

But regarding your last comment "what other blacks may or may not have said about him have to do with his inventing a computer chip?"

I say it is significant because if a certain black individual is chastised for not acting like other blacks, that individual will not develop to his full potential and will forever be a slave to what his own people think he should act, feel and how he should behave.

My point is, show me a very successful black person, outside of sports, and I'll show you a person that has been accussed of not keeping it real by his own people.
Truly sad.

Hey that's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with his accomplishments as well as it's a stereotypical assumption about blacks. Why are you concerned if he's gay, that still won't take away from his accomplishments?

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD


Why is this man virtually unknown even by those who use computers every day of their life? The answer to that one is clear and obvious. I don't even have to tell you.

Er.. because he's Black?

Dude, what kinda racist are you?

He was an employee of IBM - a team member doing his job for the company. That's why he is not held in esteem like Bill and Steve. Now if he would have left IBM and went out and made a name for himself then that would be different. As an employee of IBM he does not own or have any claim or right to his work. His work the intellectual property, belongs to the company.

That's how things work in the corporate world. He knows this, is happy with his position in life. It is not for you to say otherwise especially turning HIS DECISION into a race thing.

Besides, he did not invent the PC. He contributed to the PC. Just like a lot of other people. Study the history of the PC to learn the truth. arstechnica.com...

BTW, we had personal computers way before he went to work for IBM in 1980.

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edit on 5-10-2011 by JohnPhoenix because: sp

I came to post something along these lines.
It's hard to get acknowledged and singled out, when you are working from within a large company.
IBM gets the credit for IBM things. Apple, for Apple things....and on down the line.
Jobs gets credit for starting the company itself, with Wozniak.. Then guiding it out of the doldrums. Especially with non-desktop items. the ipod is the Kleenex of portable Media players. Even Microsoft Euthanized the "Zune" just yesterday, I think.

It's not always the invention...but the way some people have a knack for knowing how people will integrate it into their daily lives.

If it's truly irrelevant, why is the word "black" in the thread title?
That to me is uncalled for and a cheap shot given the death of Jobs.

The "twinkle" comment is just a keen gaydar alert thing indirectly requesting some sort of confirmation.
No big thing really just testing my track record.

reply to post by ProphecyPhD


No one really invented the PC. Thousands of different people contributed to all the different parts of a PC to make them what they are today. And if you really want to get right to the core of the matter the first PC's were developed by "hackers" (no, not criminal hackers) and resulted in the first personal computer available to consumers, and it was an Apple PC.

What the hell is going on in America?

Why does every American believe that it was Americans that invented the Computer?

The first actual 'computer' known of is the Antikythera Machine dated to 250BC, which was most likely made by the great architect Archimedes

The first Computer was later conceived in 1786 by a German called J.H. Muller but he never actually built one.

Computers where then forgotten until eventually rediscovered in 1822 by an Englishman called Charles Babbage, He is nicknamed 'the father of the computer' and made the first electronic computer.

The first 'modern computer' was invented in 1941 by Konrad Kuse, yet another German.

Now to get to the matter of the 'personal computer', one guy discovered electricity by the name of Benjamin Franklin then another guy used this electricity to make the first micro chip. Then another guy made another part that can be found in a PC, till voila! You got one great invention that was pieced together over thousands of years by thousands of different guys from tens of different races

Please guys, isnt this argument a lickle bit old?

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Fine, maybe he did invent the computer, but he didn't revolutionize it like Steve Jobs. The same can be said about music. Cavemen invented music but people like Bach, Beethoven, and The Beatles truly revolutionized it.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
It was the fact that there isn't ONE thread on him on ATS.

Maybe because there is conspiracy or anything else associated with him that would tie him into anything we, on ATS, talk about? There isn't a thread on ATS about Linford Christie, but that doesn't mean it's a racist cover up.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Or the fact that you can type all the way up to the E in Dr Mark Dean and nothing will pop up in Google.

Not true, you can get to D and he is the second choice search result. You do realise, after all, that the title Dr and the name Mark are both very common and you would have to get to the D or E to even narrow the field enough to find the man, be he black or white.

Your making this a race issue by bringing up useless points like this and trying to make it seem like it's the "evil" white man man covering up his existence.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Or maybe the fact that the YouTube video i posted and linked had 1,998 views when i posted it.

So? There are plenty of video's on Youtube that have been viewed less and it's nothing to do with race. Maybe people just aren't interested enough? I am sure you could find a video on YouTube about gluons, quarks and mesons, but I bet it wouldn't have that many views because, quite frankly, the subject is boring to most people.

Again, you're making this a race thing.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Stop being mad at his race and just accept the facts for what they are.

The "facts" are quite different to what you have claimed. He didn't "invent" the PC and the work he was involved in, he was part of a team including people of many races. Again, you're singling out the black guy, pointing to his "lack of recognition" (which flies in the face of evidence you yourself posted) and claiming he has been marginalised.

What about Dr Mark Deans colleagues at IBM that worked with him? Why are you not shouting for them to be recognised?

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
I am African-American and very proud of this man. I wish this were common knowledge.

Ah, I see..

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
If i found proof that Jesus was black and i posted it would you say i was being racial then too

Some rather zealous black people do claim Jesus is black (as in sub-saharan African), despite this being totally contrary to what genetic evidence of his contemporary Jewish counterparts at that time. Much like how other zealous black people claim Egyptians were black (as in sub-saharan African) and black people built the Pyramids. Again, this flies in the face of the actual evidence.

All of it is an effort to re-write history by stealing others, rather than actually taking pride in realBlack (as in sub-saharan African) history, of which there is plenty.

Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! Dr. Mark Dean Invented the PC And He's A Bald Man (can it be true??)

Bald Men Unite...I for one, am going to start the Occupy The Salon Movement.

So whats the deal, are you implying this man has been refused recognition because he is Black? Obama's black and the current president! I dont think racism rears is head that much these days in the scientific community, least i hope not. I think people in this industary judge individuals on merit and ability rather than there skin pigmentation. This is just as silly as those nuts that claim William Shakespeare was a black dude!

Rest in Peace Steve'e boy! You done a mans job!

The first personal as in interactive computers were first manufactured and sold by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) in 1965..

DEC was a major thorn in IBM's side and the Personal Computer was created to compete and to inevitably put DEC out of business.

I respect Dr. Dean's efforts, but Digital had developed all of this as in bus structures, plug in peripherals and interactive operating systems and even networking with their PDP line of computers back in the 1960's which revolutionized computing by making them easier to use via a terminal and also affordable which IBM mainframes were neither of.

Wozniak, Jobs and Dean all most likely used DEC computers in their college computing courses where they were widely used for their affordability and ease of use.

PEACE

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Bill Gates never invented the computer neither did all of his accomplices, they were program writers they wrote games, programs everything you could think of. They stole the mouse idea for the computer from Zerox. Then Bill Gates didn't even invent the first operating system his accomplices did and he stole it from them and claimed he was all high and mighty computer inventor. So yeah Gates is a poser.

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The original Apple Computer, also known retroactively as the Apple I, or Apple-1, is a personal computer released by the Apple Computer Company (now Apple Inc.) in 1976. They were designed and hand-built by Steve Wozniak.[1][2] Wozniak's friend Steve Jobs had the idea of selling the computer.

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Was this thread created by a black person to brag about one of the few things black people have invented?

reply to post by daskakik


Thank you for summing it up.Dean didn't invent the PC therefore this thread is pointless.

reply to post by ProphecyPhD


Starred and flagged OP. Tnks for bringing this up. I definitely would die without knowing this guy.

Double post.

This is not a Science & Technology discussion.

Mods, please move this into the "Racial Rant Forum" please.

I don't visit the Science & Technology Forum to hear about someone's view on race.

Thank You!!

so Steve jobs died, i wonder if that kid he never claimed, but named a computer after, will see any of his money.

on topic: I'm glad he got some recognition, its also a shame he isn't up there as one of the richest men in the world. also, what is that he's holding in the first picture? a motherboard?

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Wrong.

Gates didn't steal anything. He was part of a team that wrote Altair BASIC which was later sold as Microsoft BASIC. He didn't write, and never claimed he did, MS-DOS. He bought the rights to Tim Paterson's 86-DOS for a relatively small fee. What Paterson didn't know was that Gates already had an agreement with IBM to provide the operating system for their soon to be released IBM-PC. Gates and Microsoft adapted the OS to the IBM machine and licensed it to them as PC-DOS. In a particularly shrews move Gates kept the rights to DOS believing other manufacturers would copy the IBM machine and need an OS. He was right and sold millions of licenses for the renamed MS-DOS.

The first computer mouse was patented by Douglas Engelbart in 1963. He made no money off of it because his patent had run out by the time applications and hardware to use had become commonly available. In that sense I guess you could say Xerox, Apple, and Microsoft are all guilty of stealing the mouse from him. The GUI for the Apple Macintosh was inspired by work done at Xerox's Palo Alto research center. Apple later sued Microsoft over Windows use of a similar GUI but most of those charges were dismissed because both companies lifted work from Palo Alto and Microsoft had collaborated with Apple in producing the OS for the Macintosh. A private settlement between Apple and Microsoft resolved the final issues.

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Thats all good and fine. The man is OBVIOUSLY a freakin genius.

Does it really make a damn he's black?

BTW, Apples claim to fame was the graphic user interface (gui).

That was the thing that started making Mr. Deans tech begin to go mainstream.