Challenge: produce two photos from Shanksville scene showing plane wires

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Isnt it more than a coincidence that in September 2001 there were war game exercises that not only included multiple live fly hijackings but also cruise missile attacks from Bin Laden?

Wow. Now you got Laden cruise missiles.

You are willfully ignorant. Shame

June 1, 2001 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise involving a cruise missile attack scenario in which their presentation manual has a photo of Osama bin Laden on the cover and a picture of an explosion in a skyscraper inside.

Operation Amalgam Virgo is a CINCNORAD joint task counter-terrorist and field training exercise (FTX) carried out in Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida on early June 2001. NORAD sponsored the multi-agency planning exercise involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile or UAV launched by a terrorist group [1]. Osama Bin Laden was pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. Key military players involved in the exercise also included personnel from the 1st Air Force battalion, the U.S. National Guard, the U.S. Reserve forces, and the U.S. Navy. en.wikipedia.org...

You lose hooper, you know nothing important. Think before you type.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Not one witness claimed to see United Flight 93.

Lying as usual......

Executive 956 - Air Traffic Control transcripts

Executive 956: Sir, did you hear the transmission on that airplane? He probably just said he had a bomb on board.

Cleveland: Uh, say again, uh, is that United ninety-three?

Executive 956: In that transmission he said was unreadable. It sounded like someone said they had a bomb on board.

Cleveland: That’s what we thought, we just, er, we...we...we didn’t get it clear. Is that United ninety-three calling? Executive nine fifty-six, that aircraft we believe was transmitting is twelve o’clock one-five miles. Turn left heading two-two-five. I’ll get you away from him. Okay, he’s climbing so I want to keep everybody away from him.

Executive 956: Okay, I think we got him in sight.

Cleveland: Nineteen eighty-nine, that traffic for you is eleven o’clock, and fifteen miles southbound forty-one climbing, looks like he’s turning east while hitting three-six-zero.

United 93: Uh, this is the captain; I would like to tell you all to remain seated. There is a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and to have our demands met. Please remain quiet.

Cleveland: United ninety-three calling. United ninety-three, understand you have a bomb on board, go ahead. Executive nine fifty-six, did you understand that transmission?

Executive 956: Affirmative. He said there was a bomb on board.

Cleveland: And that, that was all you got out of it also?

Executive 956: Affirmative.

Cleveland: Ninety-three, go ahead.

Executive 956: Is that aircraft you can't get a hold of, is he turned to the eastbound?

Cleveland: He’s just turned to the east also. United ninety-three, do you hear Cleveland Center? American ten-sixty and Executive nine fifty-six, we just lost the target on that aircraft.

Executive 956: Executive nine fifty-six, we had a visual on it, please stand by.

Cleveland: You have a visual on it now?

Executive 956: Uh, we did, but we lost it in the turn.

Cleveland: Please make a turn back to two-twenty heading. Let me know if you can see him.

Executive 956: He’s still there. We’ve got him, from nine fifty-six.

Cleveland: He’s still there, er, north-west of you, about twenty-five miles?

Executive 956: Affirmative from nine fifty-six.

Cleveland: Executive nine fifty-six, fly heading one-eight-zero.

Executive 956: We're making the turn, nine fifty-six, he appears to be heading right towards us.

Cleveland: American ten-sixty, do you see anybody north-west of you, can you see back that far there?

American 1060: We’re looking now, sir.

Piper Arrow

.Wright was flying over Youngwood, Westmoreland County, and was getting ready to land in Latrobe under order from air traffic control.

Then, an air-traffic controller asked him and his passenger to look out the window.

Wright was flying a Piper Arrow when he spotted a jet crossing behind him -- about three miles away. It was close enough for him and his photographer to see the United Airlines colors.

Wright was flying over Youngwood for about 20 minutes before Flight 93 crashed in Stonycreek Township.

Wright said that he knew that there was a problem when air traffic controllers asked him to give them Flight 93's altitude.

Wright thinks there's only one reason air traffic controllers in Cleveland would have been asking him about the altitude. He said that it was probably because the terrorists had cut off all radio transmissions to air traffic controllers.

Read more: www.wtae.com...

Different aircraft had visual on United 93. Also ATC was able to track them by "primary returns" and clue in
the aircraft

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
September 2001 there were war game exercises

June 1, 2001 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise

You would be a good debunker.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ATH911
but who's counting?

Me and you. Zero witnesses saw the plane over Indian Lake. You must be using truther math.

At least two saw, one heard. Ask Dominick DiMaggio, he may know of more since he did what no skeptic has done and actually went to the place and talked to witnesses in person.

Challenge: produce two photos from Shanksville scene showing plane wires

Okay, nobody can do it.

Now what?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Okay, nobody can do it.

Now what?

Just more evidence of a staged plane crash.

reply to post by ATH911

Just more evidence of a staged plane crash.

How does a lack of photographs on the internet provide evidence of staging? Don't forget now - all you've managed to point out is that there is only one photograph on the internet that shows wires.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Okay, nobody can do it.

Now what?

Just more evidence of a staged plane crash.

That is not evidence at all. Evidence is the identification of actual, observable, things. A lack of wires in pictures when the pictures are low quality and the plane debris covered in dirt is only evidence that the plane hit the ground really hard.

Evidence of a staged plane crash would be along the lines of material that has no relation to an airplane being present, or evidence that someone did plant material there. You can't just ignore all the evidence and then claim that there is a lack of evidence. Your idea needs evidence too.

Again, you need just as much evidence as you claim the OS is missing. However, you don't seem to have any.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Okay, nobody can do it.

Now what?

Just more evidence of a staged plane crash.

Cool. What are you going to do with this knockout evidence?

Can't wait to hear. My suggestion is a press release to the New York Times, some news channels, the BBC...

"I put up a post challenging some people on the internet to find some wires in some pictures on the internet. They couldn't. Which means 9/11 is an inside job!!!!"

I'll write the full press release for you - seriously this stuff is so good the world MUST hear of it. Now.

Originally posted by Varemia

Evidence of a staged plane crash would be along the lines of material that has no relation to an airplane being present

Well there is an awful lot of shiny aluminum debris seen in the various photo that would come from an American Airlines plane and not a United Airlines plane, so...

or evidence that someone did plant material there.

See my avatar.

Again, you need just as much evidence as you claim the OS is missing. However, you don't seem to have any.

See here.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Cool. What are you going to do with this knockout evidence?

Do a little dance
Make a little love
Get down tonight
Get down tonight

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Isnt it more than a coincidence that in September 2001 there were war game exercises that not only included multiple live fly hijackings but also cruise missile attacks from Bin Laden?

Wow. Now you got Laden cruise missiles.

You are willfully ignorant. Shame

June 1, 2001 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise involving a cruise missile attack scenario in which their presentation manual has a photo of Osama bin Laden on the cover and a picture of an explosion in a skyscraper inside.

Operation Amalgam Virgo is a CINCNORAD joint task counter-terrorist and field training exercise (FTX) carried out in Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida on early June 2001. NORAD sponsored the multi-agency planning exercise involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile or UAV launched by a terrorist group [1]. Osama Bin Laden was pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. Key military players involved in the exercise also included personnel from the 1st Air Force battalion, the U.S. National Guard, the U.S. Reserve forces, and the U.S. Navy. en.wikipedia.org...

You lose hooper, you know nothing important. Think before you type.

edit on 8-11-2011 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

Hooper? Where are ya? Defeated again.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Do you have access to a calendar? Please check it. June is not September.

Bin Laden and cruise missiles?

So, his face is on the cover - no big suprise as he was a well known and wanted terrorist. Let me get the innuendo straight here, its getting pretty convoluted.

Because Bin Laden was identified as a terrorist pre-9/11 and terrorism was a well known threat pre-9/11 the idea that our military was engaged in exercises design to address the threat of terrorism pre-9/11 is evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

So, his face is on the cover ....

Do you really know this little?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

So, his face is on the cover ....

Do you really know this little?

I am sorry, but yes my basic knowledge and extended learning can not include everything that you can imagine.

Originally posted by ATH911

Do a little dance
Make a little love
Get down tonight
Get down tonight

So you have evidence of the crime of the millennium, if not all time, and you're treating it frivolously.

One might almost conclude that your ideas are more important to you as a source of self-worth than in themselves.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by ATH911

Do a little dance
Make a little love
Get down tonight
Get down tonight

So you have evidence of the crime of the millennium, if not all time, and you're treating it frivolously.

One might almost conclude that your ideas are more important to you as a source of self-worth than in themselves.

OK, Mods. How is THIS reply not 'off topic ?. Fight fair!

reply to post by dillweed


It's off-topic to discuss what we're going to do about the evidence that proves the biggest crime ever? But not off-topic to quote lyrics from a KC and the Sunshine Band song?

You have an extraordinary sense of priorities. And a touching faith in authority - or at least a rather spineless willingness to run to it when you're on the losing side.

Reminds me of the time a "Truther" threatened me with copyright proceedings over my signature. Which is an anonymous quote from a blog comment. A hilarious faith in the legal minutiae of a government that they were convinced was trying to kill them.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
So you have evidence of the crime of the millennium, if not all time, and you're treating it frivolously.

One might almost conclude that your ideas are more important to you as a source of self-worth than in themselves.

Why do you care?