Evidence of extinction event due to solar flares

With all the solar activity going on and many saying the worst that could possibly happen is a little disruption of electronics (some saying possible power grid failures), I've found evidence of much worse. I'm sure alot of people around here have been wondering the same. It looks like nearly 95% of large fauna was wiped out about 13000 years ago. Check it out...


starburstfound.org...

reply to post by colbyforce


That makes me feel all warm and cosy inside as it's a topic close to my heart,
I wish you luck, a brother-in-arms for the solar flare cause, against the horde of debunkers and shills now baying at your door.

Originally posted by colbyforce
With all the solar activity going on and many saying the worst that could possibly happen is a little disruption of electronics (some saying possible power grid failures), I've found evidence of much worse. I'm sure alot of people around here have been wondering the same. It looks like nearly 95% of large fauna was wiped out about 13000 years ago. Check it out...


starburstfound.org...

Thanks for the HISTORY lesson. And yes, I read the article. This has nothing to do with the next few years and what effect it would have on Earth.

For the upcoming solar events, I personally am looking forward to outstanding amature radio propagation.

Nothing more - Nothing less.

With all the evil and stupidity out there I say, good bring it on. Tired of these extinction event threads, you do know nothing can last forever, right?

Stop worrying and live life, it's too short to care about when your going to die.

^ wowww ginormous one a few hours ago tuesday 10/4/2011

what if its facing earth, and whats next in store for us??

Interesting. Couldn't humans be considered a type of mega-fauna? I wonder why we weren't wiped out by the radiation.

Any extinctions in Africa? Asia at the same time?

Originally posted by Phage
Interesting. Couldn't humans be considered a type of mega-fauna? I wonder why we weren't wiped out by the radiation.

Any extinctions in Africa? Asia at the same time?

Phage is here, nothing to fear. Thread is officially debunked. No need to read. Move along...

Phage, I went to Helio viewer to take a look and the sun seems Very active. In your honest opinion, do we have anything to worry about? No predictions or doom and gloom, just a well informed opinion?

reply to post by DAVID64

I don't think we need to worry about being wiped of the planet by the Sun.

I do think our some of our electrical infrastructure is at risk in the event of an extreme geomagnetic storm. I have no idea if such an event will happen in the next month, year, or even 100 years.

Originally posted by colbyforce
It looks like nearly 95% of large fauna was wiped out about 13000 years ago. Check it out...

It would have been better if you had quoted from the article. As you stated it, that claim is not really supported by your link. Here's what the article said:

In North America 95 percent of the megafauna became extinct

If you don't specify North America,, then it's implied that you're referring to a global extinction, which it was not. It was more localized than that.

So far I haven't read his whole paper, just the abstract. But when I do read it I'll be interested to see what data he has from various parts of the globe to determine that this "solar flare" caused extinctions in just North America and not globally, as I would have thought something like that might have more global effects.

If it was a comet or asteroid impact however, the effects could be somewhat localized to North America. So that impact theory might have an advantage, but the disadvantage is that no evidence of the impact has been found. However I would add that 13,000 years from now there will probably be no evidence of the impact in Tunguska either, so the lack of a clear impact site doesn't necessarily prove there was no impact.

One thing I noticed is that the author is seen by some as a crackpot. There are some comments to that effect here:

answers.google.com...

Then there's this review of his book:

www.etheric.com...

"must" reading for anyone with an interest in apocryphal or metaphysical studies.

OK I generally find that authors about physics are credible and authors about metaphysics tend to be crackpots.

I don't find his idea so far fetched as to be completely implausible, but I don't see much support for it in the scientific community. There seems to be more support in the metaphysical community, meaning believers in crackpot theories.

If it was caused by a solar flare, why were the extinctions limited to just North America?

Originally posted by colbyforce

Originally posted by Phage
Interesting. Couldn't humans be considered a type of mega-fauna? I wonder why we weren't wiped out by the radiation.

Any extinctions in Africa? Asia at the same time?

Phage is here, nothing to fear. Thread is officially debunked. No need to read. Move along...

Good, I was thinking I would have to follow this thread.

It's been a tough season for unrealistic fear mongering. First - the Rapture didn't happen, next Elenin was debunked from here to eternity. Now this - *shakes head*

Why don't you just live life and stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

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What happened to the Clovis Indians?

An event did happen around 12,900 years ago that forever altered the North American continent, this is history and evidence is abundant. The cause of this event is in dispute. Look up "Younger-Dryas/Black Matt" and "Clovis Event" for information.

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I don't know. I haven't studied early North American history much but didn't the Clovis tribes sort of fade away closer to 11,000 years ago rather than suddenly disappearing 13,000 years ago?

But, as pointed out, a "radiation storm" would have had global implications.

somewhere deep in an underground cave, the nutrino's are doing things that are impossible !!!!!

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Tired of these extinction event threads, you do know nothing can last forever, right?

Stop worrying and live life, it's too short to care about when your going to die.

reply to post by IceFlower

It's been a tough season for unrealistic fear mongering. First - the Rapture didn't happen, next Elenin was debunked from here to eternity. Now this - *shakes head*

Why don't you just live life and stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

Try reading this with a little bit more of an open mind. I don't think that this is about a prediction but rather focuses on a historical event that actually did happen 12,900 years ago. I have yet to read evidence that this is an event that has been predicted to happen again anytime in the future.

Much has yet to be learned about what happened during this time period.

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With all due respect, I think you need to read the OP again, only with a critical, logical mind.

The OP did indeed state it was his/her belief that he/she has found evidence the coming solar storms would be "much worse".

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by DAVID64

 

I don't think we need to worry about being wiped of the planet by the Sun.

I do think our some of our electrical infrastructure is at risk in the event of an extreme geomagnetic storm. I have no idea if such an event will happen in the next month, year, or even 100 years.

Agreed about the electrical systems, but I was thinking about all the satellites we rely on possibly being affected also.

While LaViolette's theory is quite dubious, the solar event in 1859 is not. It could happen again. Here's an article from NASA's website on the effects expected:

science.nasa.gov...

Lanzerotti points out that as electronic technologies have become more sophisticated and more embedded into everyday life, they have also become more vulnerable to solar activity. On Earth, power lines and long-distance telephone cables might be affected by auroral currents, as happened in 1989. Radar, cell phone communications, and GPS receivers could be disrupted by solar radio noise. Experts who have studied the question say there is little to be done to protect satellites from a Carrington-class flare. In fact, a recent paper estimates potential damage to the 900-plus satellites currently in orbit could cost between $30 billion and $70 billion. The best solution, they say: have a pipeline of comsats ready for launch.

I wonder if they have a fleet of replacement satellites ready to launch?

If not, people might be going through withdrawal without the satellites they rely on, even after they get their electricity back, if we have another solar event like the one in 1859.

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I find interest in this subject and it is very ambiguous for sure.

The Clovis culture is a prehistoric Paleo-Indian culture that first appears 11,500 RCYBP (radiocarbon years before present[2]), at the end of the last glacial period, characterized by the manufacture of "Clovis points" and distinctive bone and ivory tools. Archaeologists' most precise determinations at present suggest that this radiocarbon age is equal to roughly 13,500 to 13,000 calendar years ago.

Wiki
If I remember correctly radio carbon decay seems to have been slowed during this time period giving a false age which is in dispute amongst other evidence that is in dispute over the event from this time period.

Dates may be expressed as either uncalibrated or calibrated years. A raw BP date cannot be used directly as a calendar date, because the level of atmospheric 14C has not been strictly constant during the span of time that can be radiocarbon dated. The level is affected by variations in the cosmic ray intensity which is in turn affected by variations in the Earth's magnetosphere.

Variations in cosmic ray intensity and Earth's magnetosphere effect the accuracy of radiocarbon dating. This does seem to suggest a connection to the OP's article.

The calibration curves can vary significantly from a straight line, so comparison of uncalibrated radiocarbon dates (e.g., plotting them on a graph or subtracting dates to give elapsed time) is likely to give misleading results. There are also significant plateaus in the curves, such as the one from 11,000 to 10,000 radiocarbon years BP, which is believed to be associated with changing ocean circulation during the Younger Dryas period.

Radiocorbon Calibration.

Originally posted by Phage
But, as pointed out, a "radiation storm" would have had global implications.

I completely agree.

Any one has a link or permit or is a member to read his paper on this?
UAIR
I wonder how, where he got the evidence from
and his conclusions on the 'super sized solar proton event' 12,900 years ago.
Your link isn't showing any evidence that this occurred back then.

Edit: sorry didn't see all the pages and the link to the pdf-file
www.starburstfound.org...

reply to post by intergalactic fire

You can get the paper here:
journals.uair.arizona.edu...